2027 Recruiting Thread

rigi19041

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I pay you a compliment, and you wont accept it. Of course, just maybe we were both being sarcastic.

I already did give you the start of a list. Guertin will get some meaningful reps at PSU as a true freshman, and Sesay likely will not wherever he ends up. Guertin got a college build, even if he ends up at DT. Sesay is 30 pounds of good weight of being a college DE.

Now, see if I'm right in 15 months.

Question. Do you think a HS Tight end (regardless of skill level or HS rating) that comes on campus at around 215 to 220 is ready to contribute at a college level?

For Olesh, maybe he will show at Oregon he was worth the money Franklin thought he was, but last year. Olesh was no more ready to contribute than Matt Henderson was. The both needed 30 pounds or so, and will get it. Have you noticed to two TEs signed this year are both already around 230. They are both more college ready bodies.

We will see who contributes more the nest 5 years.

Oregon, Georgia and OSU must not be doing it right when they stockpile high end talent in the beng.
 
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DaytonRickster

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Not every fanbase would celebrate wrestling the #30 rated QB from the clutches of Boston College and disparage the #7 rated qb who was a top 3 in the Elite Eleven ....but we coach em up. LOL
Some Elite 11 QBs never pan out when they're stuck in a system that doesn't fit them and their growth is stymied. I give you Christian Hackenberg and Drew Allar. Borque could be heading down the same road @ VT. "Just sayin"
 
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Marshall2323

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I’m referring about his lack of planning for the usage of NIL overall, not just recruiting. He spent big on Olesh and ruined his pot of money to land an elite DT and an elite WR in the portal for the 2025 run. He had options, but couldn’t spend the money in that portal season.
Do we now have an elite WR from the portal under CMC?
 

Marshall2323

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Sorry for bursting your bubble. There is no such contradiction in what I’m saying. Olesh at 6-5 210 pounds could not play tight end in year one here. Guertin already has the size to play in college. Campbell’s crew spends money when they see value and getting a more immediate return in investment (Gibson is another one we spent elevated dollars on because he can start at rb in year one.)
"Please come to PSU for a lot less money than the NC contenders are willing to pay." But, we promise when you are ready to contribute, we'll compensate you almost as well as they would." Sounds like a winning plan. LOL
 

Marshall2323

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Jamir Dean is being projected to flip to Georgia. We can’t always have nice things here. He was the WR I was most excited about. He took a secret trip to Georgia this past week without telling our staff. Maybe it’s good riddance if that is how he operates.
We hate people who take the highest paying job. Mostly because we can't pay what others do.
I guess he doesn't want to play for less and be coached up.
 

Marshall2323

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Did you ever consider, that PSU paid Woods more than he was asking?
Look at his offer list.
Recruiting is opportunity cost in this environment. Resources are limited. At PSU they are more limited than at the top 10-15 NIL schools. It's entirely possible that CMC needed to use the resources that he has at his disposal to fill other more pressing roster needs. If Manske is healthy, and if he is as good as we're being told.....Bourque wouldn't see the field for a few years. Lord knows that PSU has major holes to fill to put a competitive team on the field in 2027. It's that simple. All the other crap here is nonsense. If PSU could have gotten PB for the same $ they secured Wood with, he'd be coming here.
Many would love to drive a Mercedes. But choose a Honda instead, because of other needs/priorities.
 

Marshall2323

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This is completely false. And would be refuted by multiple sites’s insiders.

PSU thought asking price was too steep and moved on to Wood. Actually, Georgia did too.

Steve Wiltfong even reported that days before his commitment date he reached out to PSU (and reportedly ND) and was wanted to negotiate NIL one last time. PSU passed again.

VT was the only school willing to pay him. Not PSU, not Georgia, not ND, not OSU.
Hypocrites. Imagine if this Wood vs Bourque recruitment took place last year at this time. Franklin would have been excoriated for losing the Bourque recruitment to VT. Coach Campbell hasn't bloodied any noses here yet, so we portray him as a recruiting savant or at least "fiscally responsible." It's hilarious.
 

Marshall2323

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This is the absolute truth spanning from the insider boards to X. PSU and Georgia spoke with each other to confirm the agent was playing games falsifying the offer from both schools to artificially drive up the bidding war. After that conversation, both PSU and Georgia dropped out and Franklin was left bidding on a player at an artificial amount. It was worth it to Franklin as he could claim he beat out Blue Bloods for a QB.
Hmmm, it's starting to look like Virginia Tech has more nil resources than PSU. That should concern the BWICAC.
 

Wilbury

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Some Elite 11 QBs never pan out when they're stuck in a system that doesn't fit them and their growth is stymied. I give you Christian Hackenberg and Drew Allar. Borque could be heading down the same road @ VT. "Just sayin"
I don't think you can look at any QB we had while Franklin was here and say that he really developed him to his true potential. So it would be foolish to expect anything different at VT.
 
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Sean Clifford says Hi.
I agree with that to an extent, but the fanbase did not appreciate Cliff during his tenure. It was only after the debacle of Allar did we appreciate Cliff for what he was. Where Franklin did Cliff wrong was forcing him to run. He was more of a pocket passer that could run if needed, not a run first type qb that Franklin himself stated publicly he wanted Cliff to be.
 
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bdgan

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VT was the only school willing to pay him. Not PSU, not Georgia, not ND, not OSU.
I don't know what happened but:

GA already has a freshman 4* QB Montgomery
OSU already has a freshman 5* QB St-Claire (100 rating)
ND's existing QB Carr is only a sophomore (.97 rating)

Those schools didn't really need a top QB. PSU did.
 

TheWizardofCamelot

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Unfortunately sounds like Taylor might end up taking the Nebraska trip. Big bag of money being discussed.

Things can turn on a dime (literally) these days in recruiting. Losing Dean + Taylor would make locking down Hall a must at this point. Or maybe we consider throwing the bag to keep the PGH kid in state?
 
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Unfortunately sounds like Taylor might end up taking the Nebraska trip. Big bag of money being discussed.

Things can turn on a dime (literally) these days in recruiting. Losing Dean + Taylor would make locking down Hall a must at this point. Or maybe we consider throwing the bag to keep the PGH kid in state?
If Taylor and Hall wanted to be at PSU they would have committed. Taylor to Nebraska, Hall to Tennessee, Dean to Georgia would be my guess. How can you blame these guys for going to the highest bidder.
 
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Nits1989

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Unfortunately sounds like Taylor might end up taking the Nebraska trip. Big bag of money being discussed.

Things can turn on a dime (literally) these days in recruiting. Losing Dean + Taylor would make locking down Hall a must at this point. Or maybe we consider throwing the bag to keep the PGH kid in state?
That might kep Dean at PSU.
 

bdgan

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claiming Franklin had no recruiting plan is beyond nonsensical.
I'm sure that Franklin had a recruiting plan. He had reasonably good recruiting classes (15th-16th range) but he also missed out on some key local talent. Maybe it was more a case of failing to execute rather than a lack of a plan.
 

Ram20

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Unfortunately sounds like Taylor might end up taking the Nebraska trip. Big bag of money being discussed.

Things can turn on a dime (literally) these days in recruiting. Losing Dean + Taylor would make locking down Hall a must at this point. Or maybe we consider throwing the bag to keep the PGH kid in state?
Taylor to Nebraska would be most disappointing to me and signal that this all about $. That program is just not in good shape and Rhule is a poor season or two from being on his ***. PSU has a new staff that is probably as stable a coaching staff for the next 5 years as any in the country.....clearly Campbell didnt come to penn state to jump to the NFL or another opportunity. It's the in state school, Taylor was committed here....he's even gone so far as to tacitly re-commit on a few occasions, at least loosely. To lose him to Nebraska of all places would be so brutal.
 

rigi19041

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If Taylor and Hall wanted to be a PSU they would have committed. Taylor to Nebraska, Hall to Tennessee, Dean to Georgia would be my guess. How can you blame these guys for going to the highest bidder.

Did you make that excuse before this year?
 

PSUFTG

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Where Franklin did Cliff wrong was forcing him to run. He was more of a pocket passer that could run if needed, not a run first type qb that Franklin himself stated publicly he wanted Cliff to be.
No, he didn't. And, no, he didn't.

Clifford averaged 5 carries per game throughout his career (that includes any times he took off on a scramble on a pass play). And threw the ball over 26 times per game.

Get better "inside sources".
 

LMTLION

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Unfortunately sounds like Taylor might end up taking the Nebraska trip. Big bag of money being discussed.

Things can turn on a dime (literally) these days in recruiting. Losing Dean + Taylor would make locking down Hall a must at this point. Or maybe we consider throwing the bag to keep the PGH kid in state?
Recruiting is just utter insanity these days. I don’t trust anything until these guys sign on the dotted line in December.
 

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Taylor to Nebraska would be most disappointing to me and signal that this all about $. That program is just not in good shape and Rhule is a poor season or two from being on his ***. PSU has a new staff that is probably as stable a coaching staff for the next 5 years as any in the country.....clearly Campbell didnt come to penn state to jump to the NFL or another opportunity. It's the in state school, Taylor was committed here....he's even gone so far as to tacitly re-commit on a few occasions, at least loosely. To lose him to Nebraska of all places would be so brutal.
Nebraska gave Rhule a new contract last year during our coaching search. They’re not getting rid of him without paying an enormous amount of money on exit. By every metric he has been a mediocre coach, losing vs nearly every top 25 opponent with a poor record of sending players to the nfl. Rhule would’ve landed here if he could’ve taken care of business vs Minnesota. He and Krafty are close friends. He and Taylor may become close friends too. If money is the only factor he cares about, good riddance. I want players who want to be here. Supposedly, we had a very competitive offer for him . He would not be poor coming to PSU.
 

LB99

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I agree with that to an extent, but the fanbase did not appreciate Cliff during his tenure. It was only after the debacle of Allar did we appreciate Cliff for what he was. Where Franklin did Cliff wrong was forcing him to run. He was more of a pocket passer that could run if needed, not a run first type qb that Franklin himself stated publicly he wanted Cliff to be.
Cliff was most effective when he did tuck it in and run keeping the defense honest.
 
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LMTLION

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No, he didn't. And, no, he didn't.

Clifford averaged 5 carries per game throughout his career (that includes any times he took off on a scramble on a pass play). And threw the ball over 26 times per game.

Get better "inside sources".
There were times that Franklin said in press conferences he wanted Cliff to be more aggressive in the run game. I think Cliff was more natural in the pass game with the ability to stretch plays. He is an underrated PSU qb by our fanbase, who could not wait for Allar to start.
 
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LB99

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Unfortunately sounds like Taylor might end up taking the Nebraska trip. Big bag of money being discussed.

Things can turn on a dime (literally) these days in recruiting. Losing Dean + Taylor would make locking down Hall a must at this point. Or maybe we consider throwing the bag to keep the PGH kid in state?
Dean is gone. Flipped to UGA. Third recruit to flip in the last several days plus Taylor is taking an OV to Nebraska this weekend. No bueno. Something seems amiss after having some momentum.
 

Alphalion75

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Georgia is a major thorn in our side. It seems they flip 2 of our highly rated commits every year. And they sure do get their share of Pennsylvania star RBs.
 
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bdgan

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Look at his offer list.
Recruiting is opportunity cost in this environment. Resources are limited. At PSU they are more limited than at the top 10-15 NIL schools. It's entirely possible that CMC needed to use the resources that he has at his disposal to fill other more pressing roster needs. If Manske is healthy, and if he is as good as we're being told.....Bourque wouldn't see the field for a few years. Lord knows that PSU has major holes to fill to put a competitive team on the field in 2027. It's that simple. All the other crap here is nonsense. If PSU could have gotten PB for the same $ they secured Wood with, he'd be coming here.
Many would love to drive a Mercedes. But choose a Honda instead, because of other needs/priorities.
It seems like QB is the easiest position to get via transfer. IIRC it started when Wisconsin got Russell Wilson but that was before NIL $$$. Last year Indiana got Mendoza for a reported $2.6 million. ON3 placed Bourque's NIL value at $508k. $500k-800k for a high school QB might seem like a lot but that what schools are paying. Things are going to be difficult if we can't pay what BYU & VT are paying.

  1. Lyons $1m (BYU)
  2. Haven $976k (ALA)
  3. Abrams $738k (MIA)
  4. Taylor $703k (NEB)
  5. Menci $658k (ORE)
 

LMTLION

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It seems like QB is the easiest position to get via transfer. IIRC it started when Wisconsin got Russell Wilson but that was before NIL $$$. Last year Indiana got Mendoza for a reported $2.6 million. ON3 placed Bourque's NIL value at $508k. $500k-800k for a high school QB might seem like a lot but that what schools are paying. Things are going to be difficult if we can't pay what BYU & VT are paying.

  1. Lyons $1m (BYU)
  2. Haven $976k (ALA)
  3. Abrams $738k (MIA)
  4. Taylor $703k (NEB)
  5. Menci $658k (ORE)
The numbers you cite for Bourque and Mencl are way off. Mencl got a 2 year $3m deal. Reportedly Bourque got the same. The amount you cite for Mencl is likely what we gave Wood. I would not trust those on3 values.
 

grinagrin

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Recruiting is just utter insanity these days. I don’t trust anything until these guys sign on the dotted line in December.
Even then you can’t trust it. Many guys have sign and then transferred out days later. The whole sport has become a EFFIN’ Joke!
 
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