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He's gotten more mileage out of doing one thing well - the NWO - when he stole it from Japan than anyone else I can remember.
I’ll give him credit for the rise of Goldberg, the rise of Crow Sting (but also blame for the fall of it), building a strong midcard, interesting factions such as the Flock, outstanding production value, etc. He also largely helped destroy what he built.
 
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I’ll give him credit for the rise of Goldberg, the rise of Crow Sting (but also blame for the fall of it), building a strong midcard, interesting factions such as the Flock, outstanding production value, etc. He also largely helped destroy what he built.
I also give him credit for giving the lucha’s proper time and gave them more exposure - guys like Eddie/laparka/rey/psychosis he gave them at least 30 mins on nitro a week
 

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ALso, when are media going to stop posting obvious WWE PR fluff BS about who they like or want to push as news? Almost every single time something like this gets posted it doesn't pan out.




Does AEW play under these same rules? Remember how big the signing of Miro was? Or Malakai Black? Jim Ross said Black was going to be one of the big stars of AEW. Remember future world champion, Jay White?

The truth is not every wrestler can be pushed like some fans want or believe they should.
 

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ALso, when are media going to stop posting obvious WWE PR fluff BS about who they like or want to push as news? Almost every single time something like this gets posted it doesn't pan out.




Looks like clickbait because none of that happened so if they knew the truth they wouldn’t post it - those 3 have gone sour by hhh for whatever reason. Lyra was in an ic feud now who knows what.
 

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It's not fluff, it's clickbait wrestling news. It's up to the viewer if you want to take wrestling news seriously. A push by WWE standards may not be the push you're thinking of. Knight for example, while stagnant, has been pushed in recent years. He's gotten title matches, won gold, and main evented weekly tv several times. That's a push. It's just not the 'beat Cody/Roman/Punk' for a world title push many would like to see. Many plans are often scrapped and whoever talks to these sites might just tell them so and so is getting something soon to give that site something. "Big plans" for Lyra might be her feuding with Bayley or an IC feud or something. I have a feeling in wrestling, someone's great idea in Oct is likely to change drastically by Jan.
 

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While talented, Claudio looks like a rando UFC fighter you just want to watch destroy people and not listen to him speak about anything because you know he's so boring that he'll put you to sleep otherwise.
 

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It's not fluff, it's clickbait wrestling news. It's up to the viewer if you want to take wrestling news seriously. A push by WWE standards may not be the push you're thinking of. Knight for example, while stagnant, has been pushed in recent years. He's gotten title matches, won gold, and main evented weekly tv several times. That's a push. It's just not the 'beat Cody/Roman/Punk' for a world title push many would like to see. Many plans are often scrapped and whoever talks to these sites might just tell them so and so is getting something soon to give that site something. "Big plans" for Lyra might be her feuding with Bayley or an IC feud or something. I have a feeling in wrestling, someone's great idea in Oct is likely to change drastically by Jan.
The Knight thing didn't say he'll get a push. It says he'll have a much better year than last year and will be positioned as one of the top babyfaces. The year is nearly half over and none of that is remotely true.
 

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While talented, Claudio looks like a rando UFC fighter you just want to watch destroy people and not listen to him speak about anything because you know he's so boring that he'll put you to sleep otherwise.
I don't need him to speak. Put him in the ring and he's more entertaining than 95% of the wrestlers on earth.
 

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That's fine, we're just saying that he's otherwise boring. There's no personality there. Pro wrestling is also a show with bright lights and fireworks and all that. The most successful wrestlers aren't dull as a mud puddle.
Triple H's career says otherwise. Great Khali and Jinder Mahal won the WWE title or whatever it was called when they won it. Damian Priest won the heavyweight championship. Sheamus a 3x undisputed champion.
 

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Triple H's career says otherwise. Great Khali and Jinder Mahal won the WWE title or whatever it was called when they won it.
Triple H's feuds with Austin, Rock, Foley, Orton, Batista, etc. weren't boring. Him aligning with Stephanie wasn't boring. It got to that point eventually just like it did with Cena but he had an unbelievable career and you can't pretend otherwise. Not sure why you're bringing up Khali or Jinder lol. We started with Claudio, who even his fans admit isn't exactly exciting, and now you're just bringing up randos who Vince gave a shot to when SD was terrible.
 

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Not crazy about this as it goes along but it's working for WWE so whatever. Miz is finishing his career as a comedy guy which is the right call and the Danhausen train isn't slowing down anytime soon. It's funny though - the serious "spooky" Black gimmick as if he's coming out of a coffin with fake candles around him doesn't work these days but if you act like Svengoolie, it does work.
 
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Triple H's feuds with Austin, Rock, Foley, Orton, Batista, etc. weren't boring. Him aligning with Stephanie wasn't boring. It got to that point eventually just like it did with Cena but he had an unbelievable career and you can't pretend otherwise. Not sure why you're bringing up Khali or Jinder lol. We started with Claudio, who even his fans admit isn't exactly exciting, and now you're just bringing up randos who Vince gave a shot to when SD was terrible.
Triple H is boring.
 
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AEW doesn’t need this overused trope. It wouldn’t make any logical sense to have an on-screen authority figure when we all know Tony Khan makes the decisions. So an on-screen authority figure would have to be a glorified middle manager. We saw that with Christopher Daniels during the Bucks EVP era and it was horrendously stupid and a waste of time.

If you want WWE tropes, watch WWE or the WWE cucks in TNA.

 
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It's not needed in AEW but they also didn't use it correctly. Daniels was neutered from the start and whenever AEW did make an impromptu match, the timing was off. The decision would go over the head of Daniels and to TK in the back who'd give his fake approval faster than any phone can send a text. It won't work if the announcer says "let's see if we can get this approved" and in the same breath be like "it's approved!" If you do it like that, of course it'll look fake.

Why does it currently work in WWE? Because Triple H is seen as head of creative and not match maker and Pierce and Aldis are excellent at their jobs. One company does it well and the other tried but imo didn't know how to execute the idea correctly so it failed.
 

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WWE should have Danhausen curse the Jaguars and whatever that Premiere League team is Shad and Tony Khan own. I would mark out for that silliness.
 

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WWE should have Danhausen curse the Jaguars and whatever that Premiere League team is Shad and Tony Khan own. I would mark out for that silliness.
You joke but once he uncursed UK, we did get Milan and the five-star Hampton. The gimmick dries out if he curses every decent team and uncurses every struggling team but Pope was pretty much dead in the water before the UK/Danhausen partnership.
 

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For AEW fans to have credibility, I think it’s important for honest discussion. Everything AEW does isn’t great and everything WWE does isn’t awful. That kind of stuff only makes sure that anyone interested in checking out an episode of Dynamite will refuse to do so because of the negative interactions they had with gatekeepers they associate with the brand. Same concept applies to WWE to some extent, but WWE is an established household name already. Some AEW fans have no chill. I don’t think that’s a good thing.
 

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It's not needed in AEW but they also didn't use it correctly. Daniels was neutered from the start and whenever AEW did make an impromptu match, the timing was off. The decision would go over the head of Daniels and to TK in the back who'd give his fake approval faster than any phone can send a text. It won't work if the announcer says "let's see if we can get this approved" and in the same breath be like "it's approved!" If you do it like that, of course it'll look fake.

Why does it currently work in WWE? Because Triple H is seen as head of creative and not match maker and Pierce and Aldis are excellent at their jobs. One company does it well and the other tried but imo didn't know how to execute the idea correctly so it failed.
It’s because everyone knows Tony Khan makes the decisions. That renders the entire concept pointless. Only way it has any chance of working is if Tony Khan kayfabe gives up power.

And if you think AEW needs more talking, which is what would have to happen if you add an on-screen authority figure, why would you want to give that time to a non-wrestler?
 

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You joke but once he uncursed UK, we did get Milan and the five-star Hampton. The gimmick dries out if he curses every decent team and uncurses every struggling team but Pope was pretty much dead in the water before the UK/Danhausen partnership.
When did he curse Kentucky to begin with? Because he’s got to curse them first before he can uncurse them. Unless we’re going to operate on the incredibly stupid logic that he controls all curses in the world.
 
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For AEW fans to have credibility, I think it’s important for honest discussion. Everything AEW does isn’t great and everything WWE does isn’t awful. That kind of stuff only makes sure that anyone interested in checking out an episode of Dynamite will refuse to do so because of the negative interactions they had with gatekeepers they associate with the brand. Same concept applies to WWE to some extent, but WWE is an established household name already. Some AEW fans have no chill. I don’t think that’s a good thing.
Problem is that every time anyone suggests anything AEW should do it always ends up amounting to “be more like WWE.” Alvarez is particularly bad about that.
 

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Problem is that every time anyone suggests anything AEW should do it always ends up amounting to “be more like WWE.” Alvarez is particularly bad about that.
I think as a fellow AEW fan, we should expect that. WWE is a massive company. There are things that cause that type of success. I like AEW programming and I disagree with many of the suggestions to “improve things.” But I also understand why those suggestions happen. Good matches have never sold tickets and views. Pyro, big entrances, larger than life personalities and iconic promos and rivalries do that.

That’s why you never hear me talking about how many fans AEW had at a show or how many watched on tv that week. It shouldn’t be factored into my fandom — I’m not asking for a type of product that will be conducive to those things. AEW is a niche product, one I’m extremely invested in.
 
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I think as a fellow AEW fan, we should expect that. WWE is a massive company. There are things that cause that type of success. I like AEW programming and I disagree with many of the suggestions to “improve things.” But I also understand why those suggestions happen. Good matches have never sold tickets and views. Pyro, big entrances, larger than life personalities and iconic promos and rivalries do that.

That’s why you never hear me talking about how many fans AEW had at a show or how many watched on tv that week. It shouldn’t be factored into my fandom — I’m not asking for a type of product that will be conducive to those things. AEW is a niche product, one I’m extremely invested in.
If you want AEW to do something WWE does, present it like “this is what WWE does, this is how AEW can change it to make it unique and
to their product”

Like War Games in WWE and Blood & Guts in AEW. It’s the same match type - no DQ, two rings, inside a roofed steel cage, two teams, staggered entrances, etc. Anyone who wants to argue it’s not the same match type is not a serious person.

But no one in their right mind will say that a Blood & Guts match is anyway the same in execution that a War Games match is - one is a PG affair (War Games), the other is a bloody hardcore spectacle (Blood & Guts)

They copied the same concept and changed it to be unique and fitting to the AEW product.

And the only people I ever hear complain about it are because they think it’s too bloody and violent. I never hear anyone saying B&G is War Games lite even though it’s the exact same match type but executed differently.
 

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If you want AEW to do something WWE does, present it like “this is what WWE does, this is how AEW can change it to make it unique and
to their product”

Like War Games in WWE and Blood & Guts in AEW. It’s the same match type - no DQ, two rings, inside a roofed steel cage, two teams, staggered entrances, etc. Anyone who wants to argue it’s not the same match type is not a serious person.

But no one in their right mind will say that a Blood & Guts match is anyway the same in execution that a War Games match is - one is a PG affair (War Games), the other is a bloody hardcore spectacle (Blood & Guts)

They copied the same concept and changed it to be unique and fitting to the AEW product.

And the only people I ever hear complain about it are because they think it’s too bloody and violent. I never hear anyone saying B&G is War Games lite even though it’s the exact same match type but executed differently.
I agree with you.

I don’t think War Games would be a talking point anyway though, since that was stolen from Jim Crockett and Dusty
 
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When did he curse Kentucky to begin with? Because he’s got to curse them first before he can uncurse them. Unless we’re going to operate on the incredibly stupid logic that he controls all curses in the world.
You don't know how any of this works. Please watch more Danhausen segments and all will become clear. Thanks in advance.
 
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