Greg extension poll lifted from Round Table, thank you RAC93
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Teel and AK developed, became good enough to get drafted.
Wisconsin can play their cheerleaders on both sides of the ball and I'd still be worried. Rutgers has a tendency to choke big time against the Badgers.
Just bought our tickets for the game. Last time at Camp Randall was misery, except for Jump Around. Will be bittersweet as a long-time friend who we went to the game with in 2022, a Badger fan, tragically died earlier this year. Great college city, and if you like German food and beer, its a great place to visit.Teel and AK developed, became good enough to get drafted.
Wisconsin can play their cheerleaders on both sides of the ball and I'd still be worried. Rutgers has a tendency to choke big time against the Badgers.
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All of the things you mentioned are the fundamentals of his job, he better be doing every one of those things and more.
Anyone who thinks recruiting players and working with donors is doing exceptional work absolutely accepts mediocrity.
Does Schiano do anything football related very well? Maintaining a good grade point average does not count and I don't accept keeping kids out of trouble as we have had our share.
Schiano is very good at that actually. There has been a lot of stuff that has happened over the years that Schiano has kept out of the news.
Gonna drop this in again. Bret Bielema came to Illinois one year after Greg came back to Rutgers. Illinois was arguably in worse shape than Rutgers when Bielema took over. He has produced 3 seasons with plus 8 wins; 3 winning records in the B1G. In 2024 he had $5M for NIL. Compare and Contrast.
| 2021 | Illinois | 5–7 | 4–5 | 5th (West) | |||
| 2022 | Illinois | 8–5 | 5–4 | T–2nd (West) | L ReliaQuest | ||
| 2023 | Illinois | 5–7 | 3–6 | T–4th (West) | |||
| 2024 | Illinois | 10–3 | 6–3 | T–5th | W Citrus | 16 | 16 |
| 2025 | Illinois | 9–4 | 5–4 | T–7th | W Music City | 25 | |
| Illinois: | 37–26 | 23–22 |
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31-41//14-39
Yup - for sure.
What I don’t understand is, what are the pitch forks out right this second for? To me, by completely taking a step back on the defense and hiring someone who brought in his own coaches almost in entirety, Greg basically bought himself the duration of his contract provided he can revert back to his “mid” status with a 6-6 / 7-5 season.
If we’re being realistic, isn’t hitting the jackpot with Johansen as close to a best case scenario as we can hope for? Even if he’s amazing, he’s not putting together a top 30 level D in one offseason considering the personnel he’s starting with. Top 60 would be incredible but it still probably wouldn’t get us 8+ wins breaking in a new QB and questions on the OL. Top 75 and it’s still considered very promising considering our starting point. I think if we want to keep Johansen, that means keeping Greg in the short run and Greg’s fate is very much intertwined with how that goes.
We hit the jackpot with him? He hasn't even coached one game. I'd hold off on that until we see results. Keeping or not keeping an unproven P4 DC and staff shouldn't even be part of any coaching decision calculus.
Pitchforks aren't out for me. I hope Schiano doesn't sh*t the bed forcing a firing. Keep steady, let Keli continue to amass funds, don't ever renew Schiano again unless he pulls a rabbit from the hat, and get rid of him after this season or next. If he's coaching on a dead contract, so be it.
I didn’t say we “did” hit the jackpot. I said that’s the best case scenario for the program. That he has as good a season as can be expected, comes back and has a chance to do more than elevate to the middle of the pack (which is our realistic defensive ceiling given The personnel) and does all of that. If that were to happen, Greg would likely get his final year and the program might be positioned for Johansen to take over. I’m not saying this is likely (it’s unlikely) but this makes the decision making fairly easy. Whether it happens in a year or 2 or 5 years. It’s not going to be as easy as some folks seem to think for RU to find a decent coach following a losing season and having to fork over all that money for Greg’s buy out.
On the other hand if we give up more yards than over 100 FBS teams again this season and finish under 500, by all means, Greg’s time has come.
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Unless Johansen is some sort of Cignetti, I'd say there is near zero chance Keli unloads on an unproven non P4 or pro HC. She's going to make a splash when she gets her chance.
I don't think the pitch forks are out right now to fire Greg, I think they are in response to the idea of him getting an extension. Its all just chatter anyway.
I think you significantly overestimate the resources available at Rutgers in comparison to other Big Ten schools.
What does any of this have to do with what I wrote?Run a real red zone offense.
Endless screen passes on the 7 yard line dont work in B1G when everyone and their pets know what's coming..
Its a very fixable problem but GS cant shake-off the 90s when teams could have a "dirty dozen" goal line plays and the motto was "If you execute you win." How does a WR execute a screen on goal when 5 B1G defenders are on him as the ball is snapped?
20 years of good yardage between the 20s just to wilt near goals. That's bad coaching when it happens year after year and even opponents are incredulous about it. RU's main problem isn't NIL or game day coaching (every team blames losses on that) - its the most hideous red zone philosophy and playbook in major CFB- and it as like that in BE too.
"..baffling to the both of us -- is that Rutgers gets stopped completely dead in the red zone. They can look amazing between the 20s but as soon as they cross the opponent’s 20 yardline (actually I can pinpoint where the per-play effectiveness and a-EPA begins its collapse at the 31), everything falls apart. This includes things which are totally maddening to observe, like o-line blocking grades, which makes no sense (it’s the defense in the trenches that’s supposed to get fatigued on long drives, not the offense), and Rutgers’ preternatural 2nd & long passing game which goes from a +7 percentage point overperformance compared to 1st & 10 (itself kind of weird) outside the red zone to a mind-bogglingly terrible 16% 2nd & long success rate inside the red zone.
Numerically, the offense goes from a 57.6% per-play efficiency between the 20s to a 44.1% efficiency inside the 20. A small part of that is a falloff in rushing efficiency, by about four points -- fairly natural, as defenses compress -- while the major part is that passing efficiency collapses an astonishing 21 percentage points, from 57.8% outside to 36.8% inside.
As such, Rutgers has only converted 16 of its 27 meaningful red zone trips in FBS play to touchdowns, a 59.3% rate. For context, global efficiency is usually coincidental enough for F+ advanced statistics that having a 70% red zone touchdown conversion rate goes hand-in-hand with a top-30 ranking. That’s basically true this year (it’s actually top 33, the service academies are hyperefficient outliers), but there are four teams who are F+ darlings outside the red zone and so are highly rated offenses in that system, but are under 61% in red zone efficiency and so my model is very skeptical of them finishing the season strong: Illinois, Kansas, Texas Tech … and Rutgers."
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Oregon forum makes the best description but others have see it even back in GS1.0 days when defense had to save offense (recall UConn 2006. I always recall Rice having a 142 yds with 4.7 avg vs WV and no score in a 31-3 game (and he only had only 6 yd pass. Even the GS 06-07 teams should have been better.
I don’t either.
But 6-6 doesn’t warrant an extension. No matter what the analytics say. As the only number(s) that matter is the record.
Keli is not extending Greg and I doubt he makes it through his contract at 6-6 7-5. He will buy another 2 years with those types of records. This is not as bad as a job as many in this board paint it to be. Infrastructure and ability to pay is there. As a couple on here have pointed out we have an accountability and priority problem not a financial problem. We have the resources to pay market rate for coaches. Athletic department and University leadership have never been aligned. Winning is a priority now. Not just participation. And Keli wants to make a hire and I don’t think she will wait 6 years to make one.
Sorry,I can't even call you a name-- it's not worth it ,you're so uninformed.
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Since when did RU have all the resources it needs,since when has RU had the support of local newspapers, since when has RU not needed to borrow and beg for $ to improve all its facilities, since when has RU not had asses as fans, since when has RU gotten the support of NJ residents who will attack RU to justify sending their kids elsewhere.Since when have NJ's politicians not used RU as a punching bag. I could go on and on-- yeah, RU has all the support it needs--- just read the comments of some on these boards.Im not giving till we win ,I'm giving up my season tickets,it's the RU screw.
I’m assuming this is directed at my post above.
1) resources when Rutgers entered the B1G and now receives big boy money.
2)not sure how local papers play a role in head coaching contracts or overall success. But win and they will jump on board. Like they did last go around.
3)borrow. Look at #1
4) Ru spent nearly 1/2 billion on facilities upgrades in last 10-15 years most coinciding with entrance to B1G. Most of the facilities are on par with our peers. And if they aren’t it’s because of an allocation problem not a facilities problem.
5) asses as fans. Win and all is cured.
6) support from NJ. Win and most is cured.
Yeah I agree he won’t make it another 3 years at that but if Johansen did turn out to be a “home run” (I’m not predicting this - it’s just an “if”) - we’d probably do better than 6/7 wins in 2-3 years time unless the offense implodes. If he hits on Johansen, there’s basically a built in exit plan whether at the end of his contract or a few years down the road. I would think with Johansen having been a sitting head coach an impressive “knock it out of the park type” showing as DC with have him on the short list for HC successor. The only point I was making was that even with a great year cleaning things up 6/7 wins is probably the ceiling because of how everything was handled and he wasn’t hired in time to upgrade the recruiting class (we went through a portal cycle with no DC). That’s on Greg of course, but again, if we go to a bowl and things are going really well with Johansen I don’t see us wanting to bring a new HC over him one year in. If Johansen seems in completely over his head I think Greg could be gone with another 5-7 type season.
I have high hopes Johannsen works. But as I said earlier all Ad’s dream about their first football and men’s basketball hire. Keli is no different. She will not “promote from within.” Haven’t met her personally but spoke to people on her staff and many donors that have. She gets it and is not intimidated. Smith wasn’t replaced in season because if he was the right guy 9 months ago what changed? He couldn’t answer.
I'd say the odds of Keli hiring Johannsen to run the Rutgers Football program are about the same as Bluto's GPA. She's not working tirelessly on revenue/NIL streams only to hand it all over to the guy's DC she let go.
She' big on relationships. Not saying Kelly, but it wouldn't surprise me if it was someone who she had direct experience with at one of her stops. Maybe someone who was an assistant somewhere and now a HC, or close to it. One thing is for sure. She's got a list. Look how fast she pulled the trigger on the WBB coach.
She' big on relationships. Not saying Kelly, but it wouldn't surprise me if it was someone who she had direct experience with at one of her stops. Maybe someone who was an assistant somewhere and now a HC, or close to it. One thing is for sure. She's got a list. Look how fast she pulled the trigger on the WBB coach.
no comparison, Greg sucks and just about everyone is better
amazed by the pox that they can't see this
Losing 3 out of every 4 B1G games by Schiano says it all.
Meanwhile Bret is winning 50% of his Conference games and trending higher in the last 2 seasons.
Being near last in NIL speaks louder than your words. Bret is succeeding at Illinois because winning football games is important to Illinois fans, which is why they have provided significant financial support including NIL, and terrific football facilities. Rutgers doesn’t offer as much.
You must really hate Schiano because this is peak gaslighting. All the facilities that were necessary and the bare minimum to keep our sports competitive. We cannot allow our sports die on the vine.
A Football Fieldhouse of roughly $300M is needed to support development and boost recruiting. USC already has a nicer facility, yet they are completing a brand new facility this summer. $15M to $20M in NIL support is also needed. UCLA got significant NIL support, which is why they have NINE four star commitments. We don’t even have one. That is what moves the needle.
As usual, you are tone deaf. Reading is fundamental. My "words"? My goodness. I posted Greg and Bret's respective records. FACTS and ACTION (or INACTION) speaks louder than words. Your post is for a football facility,not NIL,
Rutgers' facilities are fine, and many recruits echo that sentiment. Did you miss the part in 2024 when Bret said he had $5M in NIL, and Illinois went 10-3. Will post a link below. #CoachingMatters (more than NIL)
Nope. I deal in reality. You keep spreading falsehoods. Answer my question. Did RU not spend nearly 1/2 billion in the same time period as Indiana spending 86M? It’s not a spending issue. It’s not a facilities issue. It’s a department wide allocation issue.
Just about everyone else is better--everyone???-----you truly are sick and demented, besides bemoaning diversity( racist comments) , calling folks "tards", and valuing people based on their jobs/assets ,you have no control over your immaturity --- your opinions are worthless.
you are spitting in the win
it's clear, Greg sucks, spends too much, doesn't spend wisely and present and arrogant face to the program. Way past the time for him to go
Funny when he uses the phrase gaslighting. Dude is one giant gaslight. Doesn’t like facts.
he's on ignore for me. He's clueless, a cuck, speaks like a freshman in hs with diamonds in the sky views, and hasn't had a clear articulate thought since God knows when. He's a clown, just let it go
So because Rutgers administrators made bad spending decisions, fans don’t deserve a program they can be proud of? That’s what you’re going on? Past decisions were made with the best of intentions.
You’re just repackaging the alllocation issue I previously identified to you.
Rutgers is willing to build the new facilities but fans have to have skin the game. That’s what was stated in Schiano’s contract.
what happened in the past doesn’t matter. To get to where we want to be, we need a Fieldhouse and NIL support. That’s the bottom line. Otherwise we wallow in mediocrity
You didn’t identify shite to me. I said those projects were a poor choice real time. You have a special way with revisionist history. Show me at amy point where you pointed something out to me?
But again you can’t answer a question when asked. Similar to the donation thread. All talk Al.
ps even Greg has said field house is not on his list of priorities. Oh wait you wouldn’t know that because you’re not invited to the fundraisers.
Then why aren't you donating more than your self serving measly amount that gets you a ticket and a place to park? You're simply the problem that you continuously drone on about.
Funny thing is the above post was from the fall of 2024 in a thread you started on Syracuse field house in that same thread you espouse how great the APC and Rodkin are and need to be replicated. So which one is it Al did you say they are a mistake or are they a crowning achievement?
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