I don’t want to have a theological debate with you, but that Levitical law was undone in Acts. You can wear garments of two cloths. I know all of y’all’s arguments. You want to talk about oysters next?
U.S. Support for LGBTQ+ Issues Remains Down From Peak
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I think the distinction is this- you aren't going to change your religious beliefs, and no one is trying to convince you to do so.
I think the reason this hit a nerve with many is because the application of your religious beliefs is harmful/problematic on a human level. You aren't going to convince the world you are right on homosexuality, and the world isn't going to convince you they are correct.
However, the way you've spoken about the LGBTQ community is inherently harmful on the human level, and I think that's why you're getting so much push back. It's essentially @GDead_Tiger's point to you.
And I know yours. No, I don't because we won't change each other's minds, just like you can't change another persons born identity, though you're convinced you can by offering your opinion.
Ehh, plenty of liberals are religious and don’t hold your antiquated view of homosexuality.
The cultural appropriation comment is a wild statement, but to each their own.
Lots of people claim to be Christian but want to pick and choose what they want to believe.
The Bible is clear on these points:
1. Two genders, Man and Woman.
2. Marriage is between a Man and a Woman.
3. Sexual Relations outside of marriage is wrong. Sexual immorality.
So how can homosexuals ever not participate in sexual immorality? Well bye not having sex obviously. That is not antiquated it is just the facts.
Where does it start and stop? There are human behaviors that we as a society don’t approve of. Homosexuality being one that has changed over time. It is a separate discussion about how and why that was done.
Technically, the Bible never mentions gender. You’re conflating sex and gender. Gender is a societal construct whereas sex is biological.
I don’t disagree about people picking and choosing what to believe in the Bible - it’s incredibly rare someone adheres to the full text 100%.
This was my earlier point- Society does approve of homosexuality, and its been proven to be acceptable on an academic, sociological, anthropological level, and ultimately societal/personal level.
I know you don't approve, and other's don't either, but culture is moving towards full acceptance and has been for decades. Thus, your stance is growing more and more deviant from societal norms, which is kind of your whole stance anyway. You're just on the wrong side of it.
The cultural appropriation thing is incredibly dumb lol
Sorry to double respond but the Bible is also very clear on how to treat the stranger and the foreigner
No shiite, Sherlock. It was a play on that statement. Keep up.
An expert on making women orgasm? Well, I don't want to put labels on it, but I have been pretty successful, over my lifetime, making women call out to (or call me?) ... many, many times ... a higher power.
And, so, here we are ... with you asserting that anything other than sex for reproduction being "deviant," then admitting that you are OK with "deviant" behavior, as long as you contractually agree to join together in the eyes of the law, but then asserting that "deviant" behavior, which isn't deviant in today's American society, shouldn't be allowed.
Glad we got that cleared up. The pretzel logic of a bigoted evangelical is always fun to play with.
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Well, no. I like making fun of you, and exposing your logical fallacies ... but that doesn't mean I give a shiite what you think, in terms of it affecting other's actions, or society's allowed activities. One dude inserting his penis into another dude's anus and then rocking his world is not an action, belief, or person that significantly departs from accepted social norms, standards, or expectations ... i.e., it is not deviant. And if that's what they choose to do, that's their business, and it's perfectly fine. That also doesn't affect their ability to parent. And if Santa says that's naughty, Santa's an arsehole that should be ignored ... because he doesn't exist. Compare that to the gay guy's arsehole, which is real, and bringing great pleasure to at least one of the participants, and, often, both participants ... and it is not ignored.
Where did I discuss trans people. He made them Man and Woman. Not in between.
I think you have your head in the toilet too much or just maybe aszholes..
You just described the pro-life/ anti abortion abortion. Of course, you'd have to first consider a baby inside of a womb as a human first. And that's the out the pro-choice side gives itself.
So, are you going to push for outlawing the deviant behavior/thought that is evangelical religious beliefs? Or do you not actually care about what is and is not deemed "deviant"?
Agreed, which I think, like MAGA, its a last dying breath of an outdated generation/society and will go away as soon as the long, black, trump train has run its course.
But perhaps not. Remains to be seen.
I find this post confusing and don't really know what you're saying. However, if we're talking about being problematic on a human level, the anti-abortion crowd PRIMARILY values the life of the 'baby' at the expense of the mother.
With that said, the entire anti-abortion crowd essentially distills down to the religious idea that life starts at conception. It's not an "out" the pro-choice give itself to not believe that- its just been scientifically proven that's not true; a fetus is not a human life.
1. I'd say most simply value the life of the baby as a human being being snuffed out without being given a chance to live. Every single person alive is alive at the expense of the mother so not sure what that has to do with it. Now if you want to talk about the HEALTH of the mother, that's a legit concern. And most of the movement has jumped on the idea of being OK with it if the mother's life is at stake.
2. Now you're trying to make an argument without nuance to help bolster your cause. There's been much movement within the anti-abortion groups towards things like "15 week bans" and such.
And like I said, a fetus has never not been born as a human. Ever. The fact pro-choicers hide behind the idea it's only a baby when it's head pokes out the hole is nonsense, regardless of whatever doctors who make a living murdering them have to say about it. The left always tries to take the "pro-science" high ground and then just ignores data, biology and their own eyes, any time it's at odds with their beliefs and narratives.
I like it. I’m going to run with it. I don’t know why homosexuals want to play family. They can’t have children.
Really not interested in debating this, and if you want to with other liberals, start a new thread. It's not the topic at hand
The Left, SMH
Abortion is practiced by Republicans and Independents too, though it's the Rs that make the most political noise against it while still undergoing the procedure themselves. The Right would have us think only Democrats get abortions.
National polling shows that similar shares of Republican and Democratic women report having had an abortion. A nationally representative study by KFF revealed that 12% of Republican women of reproductive age have had an abortion, which is comparable to the 14% reported by Democratic women.
These patterns hold true regardless of political rhetoric and self-identified labels. Additional findings from the survey showed that:
- "Pro-Life" Experiences: Approximately 1 in 10 women who self-identify as "pro-life" reported having had an abortion themselves The Story Exchange.
- Policy Views: While partisanship divides public opinion, many Republican women still support abortion access in specific situations, such as in instances of rape, incest, or medical emergencies KFF.
- Independent Women: The same survey found that 15% of Independent women of reproductive age reported having had an abortion KFF. [1]
I think it is interesting this rise in men joining Ultra-Orthodox Eastern Christian denominations. I don’t know where that is headed. Anglican Church of North America is our affiliate. It seems to be growing as well, but I think it’s mainly folks leaving other denominations that have gone woke like Episcopalian and Lutheran.
The two most traumatic divorces I’ve witnessed over the years were both situations where gay men from deeply religious and conservative “respectable” southern families stayed in the closet and had children from heterosexual marriages because of stigma, appearances, and expectations. The charade can’t last. One man was married to a fairly open minded woman who went to therapy with him and they maintained good relations as they went about rebuilding their own separate lives afterwards and the kids benefited from that. The other involved a wife who was an extremely conservative evangelical and the separation was very messy and two boys had to grow up without their dad because mom couldn’t put aside her poorly formed religious bigotry for the sake of her own children. Real sad ****.
I’m only 3 years younger than you, did several semesters of pre-med (so lots of biology), and ultimately got a minor in psychology. Never at any point was homosexuality framed as a pathology or anything other than just how some people are. At the notoriously liberal Clemson University, mind you.
I don't think that matters but I understand what you're getting at. How many of those Republican women do you think are white?
Psychiatry is a scourge on our society. We have never had more mental problems than now and more people on medications.
I would imagine almost all. I was just curious. Lots of liberal white women get abortions.