Lest we not forget that McQ probably waited two months before going to Paterno. It wasn’t the next day. It was two-plus months
Ex PSU player Justin Williams with Ziegler
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Many claim MM was allegedly drunk at the time he was in the locker room (he had gone there from downtown State College on a Friday night... he went to the locker room to drop something at his locker - he wasn't there working out). If he was in an impaired condition, this would have a huge impact on his sensory system - no different than alcohol impairing your ability to drive. The whole situation is shady including how he handled it - he runs to an office and calls his Dad? His Dad tells him to leave the boy & JS there, leave the facility and come to his home??? (MM's Dad was a Mandatory Reporter via his job/profession - would this be the advice he gave MM if his son was telling him JS was raping a minor [or even just that he thought he was] in the PSU locker room shower... he was there.... and what should he do??? Give me a break.). The whole McQueary story stinks to high-heaven. BTW, how precisely did the corrupt AG and his "investigators" come to talk with MM about this 10 years after the fact? Supposedly they levered a story from him they could use by threatening him with potential criminal charges they had against MM and told him he better make it something they could use to further their corrupt agenda if MM wanted to save his own skin for things they had him dead-to-rights on..... Again, the whole thing stinks to high-heaven and MM appears to be one of the biggest belly-crawling dishonorable scumbags in the affair.
I'm not denying it but you're assuming that Dad & Dranov didn't know but Curley, Shultz, and Spanier did know. That quite an assumption.
Do you also assume TSM administrators knew, the high school administrators knew, and the police and CPS from 1998 knew?
IIRC MM did say that he saw the boy run out of the shower and didn't appear to be in distress. If a 10 year old boy was just subjected to anal rape I'm pretty sure he would be in distress.
Where did I say that "Dad and Dranov didn't know by Curley, Shultz and Spanier did know"? I never said or implied that.
Can you say Sandusky is a pedophile or are you in denial over that? Time to call a spade a spade.
Why do you flip it around and make stuff up about me? You claim that all of these people didn't do enough. I assume you think they knew that JS was sexually assaulting kids because it they didn't it wouldn't be appropriate to say they didn't do enough.
I've said that I'm quite confident that JS had a problem but I'm unsure about the extent of the problem. I certainly don't believe that he raped kids in the basement and Dottie ignored their screams. Some people call grooming a form of sexual assault but IMO that's a lot different than anal rape. I believe that some of victims who conveniently found their repressed memory did so for the money. I also said that I assume some of the victims were telling the truth. So I absolutely think JS had a problem. I just don't know the extent. You can call me a denier but I think that's quite unfair.
The last known address of the red haired loser was an apartment in Reston, Va.
Maybe don't make assumptions? If someone came to me and said something inappropriate happened in a shower with a child I'm pushing that to every limit. Even Joe acknowledged he wished he had done more. They all likely do and should have. Joe met his legal obligation the others didn't. I never said anything about Dad or Dranov or MM and that they shouldn't have done more.
It's not unfair. There's plenty of evidence that he abused children and used a charity to do so. He targeted poor kids who wouldn't be believed. You can downplay it all you want but that decision is why people believe Penn State fans are a cult. If you want to claim its unfair that's fine. I'm comfortable being "unfair" to those creating a defense for a pedophile.
What are you claiming I made up about you?
Ohio St. OK's $100M settlement with ex-students claiming abuse by doc - ESPN
How many OSU administrators went to prison over this ?
317+200= 517 alleged victims.
Speaking of the Sandusky case, I seem to recall:
PSP lying under oath
Prosecutors having their law licenses suspended
Judges "retired"
Penn State's general counsel being sanctioned for playing footsie with prosecution
Tim Curley informing Jack Raykovitz that Jerry was no longer welcome to use PSU facilities and Jack (never indicted or rebuked) immediately made arrangements for Jerry and company to work out down the street at (the Hilton I believe).
We can argue over Sandusky's guilt. Given the complexity, irregularities and warp speed of the trial, It's damn hard to believe he never got a new trial. I think, it might have "cleared the air" on many issues.
How many OSU administrators went to prison over this ?
317+200= 517 alleged victims.
Speaking of the Sandusky case, I seem to recall:
PSP lying under oath
Prosecutors having their law licenses suspended
Judges "retired"
Penn State's general counsel being sanctioned for playing footsie with prosecution
Tim Curley informing Jack Raykovitz that Jerry was no longer welcome to use PSU facilities and Jack (never indicted or rebuked) immediately made arrangements for Jerry and company to work out down the street at (the Hilton I believe).
We can argue over Sandusky's guilt. Given the complexity, irregularities and warp speed of the trial, It's damn hard to believe he never got a new trial. I think, it might have "cleared the air" on many issues.
I would invite anyone who thinks MM saw anything that fateful night, to examine the layout of the locker room in question. Anyone who was ever there or saw the diagram, would logically conclude that MM may have "heard" sounds that concerned him, but he didn't see anything.You =. Keep twisting in the wind with your cherry picked nonsense.
There were jurors who thought Jerry did nothing, but were tired and afraid of being painted as enablers, so they voted to hang him.
We can't argue over his guilt. That's why our scandal lives on and the rest are forgotten about. Your recollection is clouded.
There's no attorney worth a damn that's going to say he should get a new trial. Just ones looking to profit from it.
Right. Reasonable suspicion. A grown man in the shower with an unrelated male in an otherwise and expectedly unspoiled locker room at night is cause for reasonable suspicion. In all my years of making referrals to social services I can only think of one time where I reported what I saw (a mother kick her son in the stomach in school). The admins certainly had reason enough to be suspicious of what was happening to let more qualified people handle it.
Right. Reasonable suspicion. A grown man in the shower with an unrelated male in an otherwise and expectedly unspoiled locker room at night is cause for reasonable suspicion. In all my years of making referrals to social services I can only think of one time where I reported what I saw (a mother kick her son in the stomach in school). The admins certainly had reason enough to be suspicious of what was happening to let more qualified people handle it.
Exactly. It amazes me that people will grasp at every straw that Ziegler gives them and treat them as fact (MM waited months to report anything, MM was drunk, MM lied about the severity because he sent dick pics and the police blackmailed him, there were victims that may have made things up for $$$, the trial was too quick and Jerry had a bad lawyer, etc)...but rationalize the fact that Jerry had a NAKED YOUNG BOY IN THE SHOWER OF AN EMPTY BUILDING with him (and it was the second time he got caught...the first which shook him to the point that he said he wished he were dead).