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Cidhawkeye

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No, you are mixing two different distinctions that have had to be made. All of this has already been broken down and this is the last time I will be doing it.

First, to get out of the way my thoughts on context, which you are trying to catch me on. I'm on record saying context does not matter when it comes to the record book, and especially 26 year books. For example, people's opinions about strength of schedule mean jack squat. But I'm sure you already knew all that. So, nice try.

The first distinction that had to be made was when someone thought they were clever and were going to catch me in having said, "I never said PB IS better", by quoting my having previously said, "Paige WAS always better."

I can see how someone might not initially realize the distinction. But I can also see how anyone that's actually a careful reader, and doesn't have their panties all up in bunch, trying to catch Ole Eyes in a contradiction, would easily enough pick up on the distinction, given the context of the rest of the 2nd quote's paragraph, that is clearly discussing the years prior Paige's injury.

The 2nd distinction that had to be made, was when some clever no-life tried to catch me in a contradiction, where I had used "was", instead of more appropriately having used "is".

To that, I have already admitted to sloppy wording. And have shown it to have been in response to you having posted "CC > Paige". The greater than symbol is representative only of the present. Therefore, with that context, it could have easily enough been implied that I also was speaking of the comparison between the two players, at present.

When people stop nitpicking semantics and trying to ambush contradictions, is when I might start to wonder if the thoughts in my posts might be somewhat off-base.

And I'm going to give you a pass on calling me a Nebraska fan, even though your previously having been warned, based on the context of that previous warning having been in this thread, and it being obvious that you are only doing it now to be a jackass. But please stop
It’s all good. You have covered both items.
You typed was better and is better.
And then doubled down to say you didn’t type either.
Well unless there are those reasons why you typed both that you said you didn’t other than you did.
I almost got dizzy going in circles like that. Glad you are done with it. I get no enjoyment from publicly showing that you are a liar. It’s a character flaw that you have. Glad I don’t have that flaw.
 

Kceasthawk@77

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The primary job of a head coach is not to make players on the team happy. I’m sure CC is frustrated, other Fever players as well, along with coach White (if the team huddle *** chewings are any indication). The coaches and players need to figure it out. The good news is they have plenty of time to do so.
I never said whites job was 'to make her happy", specifically. I just think what they are doing currently isn't working, nor is it making the best use of her skills, and yes as you said I believe that's making her very frustrated. She was so excited to be back on the floor after last year, and I don't think this is how she thought the season would go.
 

nu2u

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She was so excited to be back on the floor after last year, and I don't think this is how she thought the season would go.
I suppose I’m beating a dead horse already but the Fever have played less than 25% of their regular season schedule. Current frustration notwithstanding, we won’t know how the season goes for the Fever and Caitlin Clark until late September or, more likely, October - more than 4 months from now. I suspect for Clark and everyone else on the team it’s all about winning a championship.
 

Kceasthawk@77

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I suppose I’m beating a dead horse already but the Fever have played less than 25% of their regular season schedule. Current frustration notwithstanding, we won’t know how the season goes for the Fever and Caitlin Clark until late September or, more likely, October - more than 4 months from now. I suspect for Clark and everyone else on the team it’s all about winning a championship.
All true, but THIS team will need to make major strides to sniff any kind of a ring. Having said that they got close to playing for one last year, so who knows. Don't see it though. The problem is not only are the bench/role players pretty meh, but NONE of the big three are playing all that well, (although Clarks stats aren't bad) they are all struggling with consistency. That's just seem to be a "system" issue when no one really seems to be excelling.
 

nu2u

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All true, but THIS team will need to make major strides to sniff any kind of a ring. Having said that they got close to playing for one last year, so who knows. Don't see it though. The problem is not only are the bench/role players pretty meh, but NONE of the big three are playing all that well, (although Clarks stats aren't bad) they are all struggling with consistency. That's just seem to be a "system" issue when no one really seems to be excelling.
This Fever roster is easily a playoff team absent multiple key injuries. We’ll see what kind of post-season run they make. Pretty good shot to make the finals (without major injuries)IMO.
 

Kceasthawk@77

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This Fever roster is easily a playoff team absent multiple key injuries. We’ll see what kind of post-season run they make. Pretty good shot to make the finals (without major injuries)IMO.
We'll just agree to disagree that this is a championship level team unless they really turn this around. After the B1G three I just don't see it. Frankly the way the expansion draft is set up those teams all come in ready to roll. last year the Valkerires, and both Portland and Toronto look like pretty good teams.
 

pablow

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This Fever roster is easily a playoff team absent multiple key injuries. We’ll see what kind of post-season run they make. Pretty good shot to make the finals (without major injuries)IMO.
The way they're playing now, they need to worry about just making the playoffs. Last year, even without CC, they had Natasha Howard, Odyssey Sims, and Aeriel Powers plus Kelsey playing out of her mind. The FO & SW laid an egg replacing those players.
 

Hawksfor3

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The way they're playing now, they need to worry about just making the playoffs. Last year, even without CC, they had Natasha Howard, Odyssey Sims, and Aeriel Powers plus Kelsey playing out of her mind. The FO & SW laid an egg replacing those players.
Be interesting if ticket sales will be greatly impacted by all of the terrible optics. Remember that the last home game likely only had 9K in the seats. White, unloading on Clark, and replacing her with Johnson. Losing two straight games, one to an expansion team on the second night of a back-to-back. Jerking her star player out, having played only a few minutes into the first quarter, after leading the team during those few minutes. And yes, AB and Lexi (the best defender) were also pulled. Why? Then the killer run by the Fire. White has Clark's back? Standing on the sideline, arms folded, staying mute while Clark gets whistles, some that are completely questionable at times. Never praising Clark, unless absolutely pressed by the media, while often praising others for their play. Changing lineups like she got them cheap at a yard sale. Having a player like Clark adapt to her style of play sans having the team play around her, thereby maximizing her talents and what the others stand to gain from it as well. Scott Agness, who revealed Clark's ankle injury last year while the Fever organization did not, was fired by the organization. This is not a championship roster. Amber Cox has unofficially become the Monte McNair of the W. This outfit has problems from within, and problems from without (based on fan reaction). I agree. They had better get the ironing board out and also clean up whatever s--t they're stepping in, if they even want to sniff the playoffs.
 
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eyesofhawk

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His “read better” admonishment depends on the circumstance. You are supposed to take what he says “verbatim”, until he gets exposed as in this case, and then he switches to “context”. Then he rambles on, moving the goalpost and deflecting.

He really is an Iowa fan, though.
All wrong except the Iowa fan part.

Which I do appreciate your confirmation of
 

eyesofhawk

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It’s all good. You have covered both items.
You typed was better and is better.
And then doubled down to say you didn’t type either.
Well unless there are those reasons why you typed both that you said you didn’t other than you did.
I almost got dizzy going in circles like that. Glad you are done with it. I get no enjoyment from publicly showing that you are a liar. It’s a character flaw that you have. Glad I don’t have that flaw.
Read better.

And don't call me a liar, you idiot
 

nu2u

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The way they're playing now, they need to worry about just making the playoffs. Last year, even without CC, they had Natasha Howard, Odyssey Sims, and Aeriel Powers plus Kelsey playing out of her mind. The FO & SW laid an egg replacing those players.
5 Fever players had season ending injuries last year - Clark, Cunningham, Sydney Colson, Aari McDonald, and Chloe Bibby.

White got the team within one game of the WNBA finals with a depleted regular roster and a number of emergency replacement players They will be fine if they can stay relatively healthy.

Wish they would have re-signed Natasha Howard.
 

Hawksfor3

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5 Fever players had season ending injuries last year - Clark, Cunningham, Sydney Colson, Aari McDonald, and Chloe Bibby.

White got the team within one game of the WNBA finals with a depleted regular roster and a number of emergency replacement players They will be fine if they can stay relatively healthy.

Wish they would have re-signed Natasha Howard.
How are they going anywhere when all but three players cannot run their ONE defensive scheme? According to Sophie Cunningham.
 

nu2u

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How are they going anywhere when all but three players cannot run their ONE defensive scheme? According to Sophie Cunningham.
The Fever have deficiencies for sure. They also have several more months, almost a hundred or so more practices and 38 more games on the schedule. Improvements will happen or changes will be made; the situation is dynamic not static. They have the scorers we know that. Too much doom and gloom for a .500 team so early in the season.
 

Wobmam Rulez!

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OK, I can see where in, "I didn't say either player was better", the "was" can be confusing.

But if you follow the context, it was in response to Evil having posted, "CC > Paige". So perhaps sloppy wording there. But it's pretty much implied through context, that we were speaking of the comparison between the two players, at present.

Yes, if I had a gun to my head, I would say PB is better. But that's the closest thing I've said to saying PB is currently the better player.

It's all in this thread. Nice try again, I guess. Smh.

And I am a Hawkeye fan, you idiot
There's clearly only one idiot here!
 

Wobmam Rulez!

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We'll just agree to disagree that this is a championship level team unless they really turn this around. After the B1G three I just don't see it. Frankly the way the expansion draft is set up those teams all come in ready to roll. last year the Valkerires, and both Portland and Toronto look like pretty good teams.
By, turning this around, it starts with the HC trusting her players and not coaching like she's a controlling high school coach.
 

Kceasthawk@77

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The Fever have deficiencies for sure. They also have several more months, almost a hundred or so more practices and 38 more games on the schedule. Improvements will happen or changes will be made; the situation is dynamic not static. They have the scorers we know that. Too much doom and gloom for a .500 team so early in the season.
Not sure these teams "practice" that much in season. Between games and travel and needed rest....
 
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Legend12

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Not sure these teams "practice" that much in season. Between games and travel and needed rest....

Yeah, especially with some of the nagging injuries that they are already dealing with. They might have a few grinders after the long break in September to make sure everyone is in playing shape, but most of the time it will be just getting moving, staying loose and working on new sets and hopefully some defensive strategies. :)

Now, the players not getting many minutes...THEY have to work. Most teams will have some cardio requirements for anyone that doesn't play X amount of minutes in a game, in addition to the 1-on-1 work they all do to stay fresh and ready.
 
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All wrong except the Iowa fan part.

Which I do appreciate your confirmation of
Nah, he's right on all counts.

You don't "clarify" anything until after the fact when someone calls you out. Then you tell them they misunderstood you (which they usually didn't), and that you meant something entirely different......and then when they disagree with you about that because they're still right.......you cry some more and say "No no no, I actually meant this instead. Read better"

Be gone Nebraska troll. It's time for your sponge bath at the nursing home.
 

Hawkangler

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Why do stats not show the negative side of stats? Although CC is averaging 20.1 points, 9 assists and 5 rebounds per game in her WNBA career, she also has averaged 5.1 turnovers per game. Her fast pace plus players not familiar with her passing surely contributes. I did see she has improved from 5.6 her rookie year to averaging 4.6 this year.
Assist to turnovers is a true measurable, just saying.
 

pablow

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Why do stats not show the negative side of stats? Although CC is averaging 20.1 points, 9 assists and 5 rebounds per game in her WNBA career, she also has averaged 5.1 turnovers per game. Her fast pace plus players not familiar with her passing surely contributes. I did see she has improved from 5.6 her rookie year to averaging 4.6 this year.
Assist to turnovers is a true measurable, just saying.
She handles the ball a lot.