Indiana didn't start winning big until 2024, when they hired Cignetti.
Rutgers 2027 class currently ranked #56 here
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He’s lashing out because he’s cornered himself again with no way out.
Let him keep making the comment, it just shows he’s got nothing valid to respond with, and I just laugh when he does it.
To not get the immediate boot - Greg probably doesn’t have to pull a major upset. Should the standard be higher? That’s a different question but if he gets to 6-6 he’ll be back in 2027.
This means he has to “not lose” to UMass, Boston College, Howard, Maryland or Michigan State. Then find a way to also beat one of NW, Nebraska or Wisconsin (none of which will be ranked or would constitute a “major” upset if RU were to win).
This.
NIL needs to be invested with more wisely.
Wasting $500k on a overrated Safety from UNLV last season while not offering the same to Mo { is now a 2 year star at Miami} is ridiculous.
For me the concern isn't the ratings, it's the apparent lack of P4 offers of most of the recent commits. Of course we know GS and staff have unearthed some diamonds in the rough over the years, but in general the more high-level teams offer a prospect (and yes, in general, the higher the star rating), the better your chances of success are.
Could be a case of poor NIL allocation but I'm still willing to chalk it up mostly to poor defensive staff hiring/construction. Elad and several other transfers on D last season (especially the DEs) had high-level production that in theory should have translated to the B1G way better than it did. Defensive staff seems much improved this year, so even with an underwhelming portal haul I'm expecting improvement on that side. If not, GS's seat gets real hot real fast.
A lot of last year’s issues were coaching or lack there of by the DC and staff.
Amazing! 3-6 in conference and no marquis win. So 1 win better keeps him here basically.
accepting such poor results is part of our problem
Keli won't accept mediocrity. Not in the mid to long term. Her hands are tied with his contract. 6-6 would be as good as it can get. Gets him another year to lessen the buy out and another year for Keli to continue creating revenue streams. She's going to get one crack at hiring a new FB coach and she wants to have as much dry powder when that opportunity comes. The more time that elapses the more powder she can fire while owing less to make Schiano walk.
The program is in cruise control until then. The best case scenario is it doesn't get really embarrassing. Schiano isn't a winner but if there is one thing he's good at it's providing middling results. All we can hope for at this point.
The program is in cruise control until then. The best case scenario is it doesn't get really embarrassing. Schiano isn't a winner but if there is one thing he's good at it's providing middling results. All we can hope for at this point.
That is a strong positive IMO. Let's hope GS and staff can get some key commits and improve this class even more.
I’m sure she wants wants him to go 6-6 or better because the decision is cut and dry. Makes her job easiest IMO.
Him going 5-7 again would put her in arguably the most challenging spot. The pool of truly desirable replacements she could bring in would be limited because the role would be largely unattractive in our price range given we’d be eating his tremendous salary.
If he implodes with only 2-3 wins her decision is easy and nobody would second guess but finding the money to pay someone to come here would still be a challenge.
I don't know what will be the bigger attraction for the guy who eventually replaces Schiano: following in the grand tradition of winning set by the likes of Dick Anderson, Doug Graber, Terry Shea, Kyle Flood, and Chris Ash or the huge contract they'd get from Rutgers' deep pockets.
There's surely gonna be a huge list of uber-qualified candidates for that job.
There's surely gonna be a huge list of uber-qualified candidates for that job.
Huge season as far as the future of GS, no one is doubting that. I'm impressed by the defensive coaching hiring. If they can get us to the middle of the pack, and I think they will do that, we are 6-6 at the minimum. Lots of talent on the offensive side. Either QB will put up big stats unless the OL is horrible. Seems some on this thread are hoping for the worst which is self loathing. Rutgers is a very difficult job. Sure, if we go 3-9, with lack of NIL support, we will attract the best and the brightest to apply. Will donors come out of the woodworks if GS is fired? I doubt that. Anyone hanging their hopes on that is delusional. Let the season play out.
A diamond in the rough is rare…if we recruit one or two that is great. Can’t be competitive in the B1G with recruits that only have offers from the MAC and the Patriot League. Unfortunately there are quite a few right now.
Just checked and they are 33rd with 2 players still not rated yet on their site. The DE was given an 88 grade by TOS.
Graber and Flood would destroy Greg in a straight up match up. Hell Graber, Graber would not only eat his lunch but he'd step over his body to get a cup a water afterI don't know what will be the bigger attraction for the guy who eventually replaces Schiano: following in the grand tradition of winning set by the likes of Dick Anderson, Doug Graber, Terry Shea, Kyle Flood, and Chris Ash or the huge contract they'd get from Rutgers' deep pockets.
There's surely gonna be a huge list of uber-qualified candidates for that job.
Elmer Fudd could coach Rutgers to fighting for last place
23% Winning Percentage in the B1G is decent and competitive? lol
I'd love to work for people on this board. I can only imagine what the bonus/comp discussions are like with some here
If 5-7 is a challenging spot…yikes
6-6 would be enough to can him but you're right, makes the decision to go another year easier however, you're discounting the extension talk. AT 6-6, keeping another year, you are now in the 'extension possibility' talks area.
It's best to cut bait and move
also disagree on pool of candidates as we simply don't know until we cross that bridge however, pretty sure it's not hard to fight for last place in the BIG
Keli will not be extending Greg with mediocre results. She wants a shot at a hire. Giving him an extension will not give her that opportunity. Also Greg didn’t deserve the last extension much less one going forward. I like Greg but he doesn’t have options. No one is kicking his door down.
I don’t think this is the same dilemma as it was pre NIL. I think in the past, recruiting was impossible without an extension because players stuck with programs more than they transferred so nobody wanted to go play for a coach who may not be there the next year. Now there’s so much movement from team to team and player decisions are mostly driven by money. Don’t see him getting an extension by beating the teams he’s supposed to / at best 50 / 50 and going 6-6. I just think where we’ve brought in a brand new staff on defense, Keli will ideally want to see what they can do over a couple year period and bringing in a new head coach is harder when your not allowing them to bring in their own people. Next year may not be a great time to move on for this reason. At 4-8 or worse you HAVE to move on.
Al, are you purposely ignoring the construction of the Rodkin Center, the visitors center, and the training center next to the RAC on purpose???
Complete nonsense. Grabers kids didn’t always go to class, let alone remain academically eligible. Floods kids were too busy doing drugs among other things, and getting in trouble with the law. Both struggled with discipline. Andre Boggs was still in jail, the last time I checked.
Football recruits are so impressed, our recruiting is in the toilet. Building Rodkin rather than the Football Fieldhouse is probably the greatest strategic error in the last 10 years. How do you not give your most important, greatest revenue sport all the tools it needs to succeed.
Al, are you purposely ignoring the construction of the Rodkin Center, the visitors center, and the training center next to the RAC on purpose???
There was nowhere near enough money to build a field house because guys like you didn’t listen during that campaign when I said it wasn’t enough. Your required seat donations were more than enough giving.
Now you’re here trying to put a fresh shade of lipstick on this pig like it’s never beeen discussed before.
Even after all that spending on wonderful facilities, they wound up firing their coach because he was 33-49. They didn't start winning because of the facilities, they started winning because they hired a better coach.
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as we talk about what a cluster Greg has turned Rutgers into, let's not forget that both Graber and Flood would wipe the field against Greg.
I wish we could get Graber back and don't forget, he did tell Paterno FU!
Indiana fired a bad coach and was able to hire a better coach because they already made the necessary investments. Its a lot easier to hire a better coach when you've already spent close to $100M on facilities.
We fired Chris Ash and hired Greg Schiano. Yet didn't provide him with the facilities or NIL support he asked for. He had the football facility put into his contract. Greg Schiano is a better Coach, who has optimized our situation. We might not have a winning record this year, but at least we'll be competitive against football programs which have spent a ton on football success over GENERATIONS. Put him at Miami or Michigan, and he would win Championships because he would amass so much talent, he would be able to overcome his coaching mistakes. That is essentially what Mario Christobal is doing, whom we could have hired in 2012. Miami just flipped another 5 star today. You why? Because the campus looks like Paradise and it is an awesome place to go to school, and someone wrote a big check. What exactly does Rutgers have to offer recruits?
- the crappy campus
- the crappy bus system
- the crappy facilities
- the adverse history
- our wonderful apparel deal with BSN, which makes us look like a joke
Better coaches and better players won't come to Rutgers because there isn't enough support to be successful. There hasn't been for the last 150 years. These days, we can't even get Jerseys best to visit. Indiana made the commitment in both facilities and NIL. You go to ANY Big Ten Campus, and I've been to most of them, and you can see why recruits would rather go there than Rutgers. Its not rocket science. They're nicer places!
Imagine how much easier it would be to hire a coach if they spent what RU did. 5x the number Indiana did. Also Schiano didn’t ask for NIL to be funded in his initial demands. Well because in 2019 when he returned NIL wasn’t a thing he could demand yet. So again creating a false narrative.
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Great players follow great coaches. Most of Indiana's better players followed Cignetti to Indiana because he is a winner. They didn't go there because the campus was nice.