FC/OT: Sarkisian says firing of prominent college football coach has him worried for the health of the sport.
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So true. But on the other hand they give football incredible resources....and that isn't debatable.
SARK.
should be winning NATTYS. every year at texas. If he had to deal with high achievers who look like us, he’d never survive.
From all I can gather, Sark is highly regarded as an "offensive" genius by those in the coaching industry. His W-L record doesn't seem to verify this. However, I wonder how difficult it is to navigate the "donors" and distractions at a place like Texas?SARK.
In any event, I think there are 67 power 4 HFC jobs. Period. In the world. Yet we have millions and millions of fans who try to help them to no avail. Sad. Why don't these guys pay attention and learn?
They deserve better too? Getting crowded, isn't it?SARK.
Not as gross as equating it to rape…good lord. Rape victims don’t choose to be raped nor do they spend their entire life training to get an opportunity to get raped. That’s legitimately gross on any level.
You're focusing on inconsequential differences in the comparative logical syllogisms. I knew you'd get caught up on that ... it's why I used it. You're bad at analogies and logical analysis.
The same logical comparative could be made using ... for example .. any contractual situation where a right has been violated (and other comparatives and hypotheticals, like unconscionable terms). But, yes, the logical comparative works with rape, as well. Your attempted distinctions make no difference to the syllogism. And I used the "grossness" of rape to highlight how gross you're being here.
Again, the "adults" had every opportunity to construct this as they wanted. They had every opportunity to avoid this eventuality. They made the monster. Now the "kids" are simply trying to get their rights addressed properly, given how the monster originally denied them these rights ... and it's the kids' fault, in your eyes.
Redressing grievances, and the aggrieving party not being properly prepared to handle the blowback (despite being the ones that entirely constructed the mess they're in) ... not the aggrieved party's fault.
And, yes, even though it's irrelevant to the syllogism ... the recruiting process is/was pretty "gross" on its own. Yeah, you have kids ... kids ... who dream of being a big boy one day ... of playing a game and being successful ... and rich and famous ... because of it. You know, as kids do. And then you have grown men getting paid millions of dollars in order to try to sell these children (starting at young ages, in various ways) that they'll make their dreams come true. Pick me, over the other guy in the white van ... my candy tastes better. And, then, the reality for most of these kids is, a less-than-half-arsed education (because they had to work the full-time job of college football player while attending college) for "free," where, no matter what they represented prior, they can just toss you aside if you aren't big, strong, fast or healthy enough, and you can't even get out of there without some kind of "punishment" because they have restricted your movement/rights. And, all that time, they've been underpaying you, and inappropriately restricting your rights. Via a process that starts, in some instances, and in some ways, when the kids are early teens (through camps, people who know people, etc.). Gross.
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It seems Texass fans are a lot like PSU fans- whiny. entitled and full of fond memories of a past that they never had, those glory days when they stood with Alabama and tOSU at the very pinnacle of the "sport"
I’m not sure why this board morphed into a situation where someone can’t be a fan of both Joe and Franklin.
Obviously we will never agree because you look at college football as something that these kids had to do even though they hated it and they got nothing for it. I don’t see it that way, so save your condescension for another topic.
You need to find another tune to sing…one hit wonders that keep showing up singing their song gets annoying.
Whether or not they "had" to do it, and whether or not they got "nothing" for it is completely irrelevant. I've made this clear. Multiple times.
It's very clear, and it's very simple. They were wronged. They had these wrongs addressed. What happened as a result of that is not "their fault" - it's the fault of those who committed the wrongs, and had nothing set up to deal with life post-correction ... those people who set up the system that's coming back to bite them in the behind in the first place.
It's not about disagreement over how you and I see it ... it's a simple statement of indisputable truth. My condescension remains.
From my own perspective, it hasn’t. I’m a fan of Paterno, Franklin, and Campbell.
They weren’t wronged, so it’s not a truth, it’s your opinion. They signed up for it…in fact asked for it.
Whiny entitled = beating temple is good enough its together like coffee and black
The courts say differently. The law says differently. But your opinion matters more than the legal system's, no doubt.
Gross.
Should we contact a medical professional? Or are you just inebriated/impaired again?
You’re trying too hard. The players were told, if you want to play in the NFL or NBA you play by the rules we set. If you want to make a career in doing what you excel at, these are the rules. When it’s the only game in town, you know what your decision has to be.
When UNLV basketball was riding high, in the time of Larry Johnson and Stacey Augmon, the players tried to put up some artwork for sale, the NCAA nixed it. Can you think of any other category of Americans who, if they had someone willing to give them cash money for something they painted, or wrote, or filmed, or recorded, would be told, no, you can’t do this? It’s un-American, no court in the land would accept this. I guess it’s okay to say that the university can’t give their players anything beyond a scholarship, room, and board, but to restrict their earning potential as private citizens, no. If you are a free citizen, nobody has the right to restrict your earning potential. If this happens, you’ve been wronged.
Civil discourse is extinct. If you don't think precisely like me, you have cognitive or intellectual limitations.
Chesney was my first choice as many of you know. That said. Coach Campbell is the HC and he has to elevate the program or he'll be gone. Major concern in regard to NIL is Kraft's stadium renovations: they are probably hurting NIL donations because of what will probably be close to a $1 billion dollar cost after it is completed. Isn't that how PSU projects work with cost overruns?
During Franklin’s career, over 500 games were lost by ranked teams to unranked teams…they’re not automatic as much as you think they should be. Especially when you’re not one of the top two or three programs in the country, which PSU hasn’t been since well before Franklin’s time. Beating teams in the Big 10 or other P4 conferences is not the same as beating Temple- even teams not named Ohio State or Michigan.
And why did the NCAA do that? Because outsiders abused those type of situations and turned it into pay for play which the players took part in. Brian Bosworth got a job watering the athletic fields….and the fields had automatic sprinklers. The players were using their “earning potential as free citizens” to do more than that. I do think the NCAA went too far, but they had to.
It's a little known fact that 50% of football teams competing on any given day will lose. Yet, the BWICAC dismiss wins as acquired against opponents "without a pulse." Entitled and delusional is no way to go through life.
I was a fan of Frankiln for most of the tenure.
He had to go last season. We can debate mid-season versus end of season, but CJF had to move on