The DoJ has opened a criminal investigation into E. Jean Carroll

[baltimorened]

Fine to be legally precise, but recognize you’re splitting hairs.

Some states don’t even have a crime called “rape.” Would you then say there are no rapes in these states?

I'm not splitting anything...Google it...trump was not found guilty of rape. It's a relatively simple concept, or at least it used to be before tump. A person is arrested, charged, tried by jury and either found guilty or not guilty.. There is no hair splitting, no interpretation., the defendant is either a. guilty or b. not guilty. Now you can opine that if the jury finds the person guilty, that he really was not guilty, or opine the opposite if the jury says not guilty.

But agree or disagree, the verdict is the determination.

I'm really surprised that this is such a difficult concept for so many of you to understand. It just seems that you guys have made up your mind that Trump is guilty of rape, no matter what the jury says after the trial.

 

[PAWrocka]

Do you apply the same science to other words? Do you use anonymously use n***er on the internet, but, only when they really deserve it?

Only when I’m listening to Wu-Tang, alone, in my car, with my windows rolled up, but always with a soft “A”.

 

[DFSNOLE_rivals]

I don't have any idea of the legal definition of rape....look, you can't make this out to be any more than it is. Trump was found guilty of sexual abuse by a jury...he was not found guilty of rape.

So, let me ask you, do we no longer follow the verdicts of juries? We just decide he was tried on this charge, no matter the verdict, he's guilty? I know you want him to be guilty of rape so you can continue the posts that "trump is a rapist". And you might well be accurate. But in the E Jean Carroll case he was not found guilty of rape.

Why is it so essential that we somehow conflate trump's guilty verdict from sexual abuse to rape? No matter what happened in that changing room, no matter if his finger penetrated, no matter if anything else penetrated, the simple fact remains that he was not found guilty of rape. That's not defending him, that's not restructuring the definition of rape, it's a simple statement of fact...

so we can go back and forth until the cows come home and it won't change the verdict of the jury....he might even have been 100% guilty of rape, but the fact remains...he was not found guilty of rape.

That's a whole lot of words to avoid saying yes or no.

 

[PAWrocka]

Such a good little bigot. I bet palmetto has a problem with me calling you a bigot even though you have provided all the facts necessary to make that claim.

Ah … yes … “bigot” … just another word that leftisthave rendered utterly meaningless.

Not a bigot at all, but … it’s clear you and the rest of your unwelcome Iowa douchesicles are the worst flavor of ****.

enjoy you’re weekend of faux outrage and virtue signaling. Your feelings are so valued.

 

[DFSNOLE_rivals]

I don't have any idea of the legal definition of rape....look, you can't make this out to be any more than it is. Trump was found guilty of sexual abuse by a jury...he was not found guilty of rape.

So, let me ask you, do we no longer follow the verdicts of juries? We just decide he was tried on this charge, no matter the verdict, he's guilty? I know you want him to be guilty of rape so you can continue the posts that "trump is a rapist". And you might well be accurate. But in the E Jean Carroll case he was not found guilty of rape.

Why is it so essential that we somehow conflate trump's guilty verdict from sexual abuse to rape? No matter what happened in that changing room, no matter if his finger penetrated, no matter if anything else penetrated, the simple fact remains that he was not found guilty of rape. That's not defending him, that's not restructuring the definition of rape, it's a simple statement of fact...

so we can go back and forth until the cows come home and it won't change the verdict of the jury....he might even have been 100% guilty of rape, but the fact remains...he was not found guilty of rape.

Why are you afraid to answer the question I've asked you twice? Forget the Trump verdict and answer the question independent of that.

 

[Hawkedup]

It will be OK dude Will you at least accept my offer on encouraging you to chill out

Life is too short to be wound up tight as you are

Close eyes breathe deep Go to a happy place in your mind




Call each other whatever you desire

I don’t control his or your actions

I just want to encourage we be as civil as possible

Sometimes we have to rant and rave and I get that

You Iowa guys have based on my observations come in hot and heavy

Seems to be a group of you folks

Y’all may consider other options rather than a message board

Maybe a private Facebook wall with all you guys as members to rant and rave

Brother, I am as chill as they come. You seem to be mad for being called out for the hypocrite you are. Sorry for upsetting you. Actually I am not. As I already told you, I don't care for hypocrites.

As far as your comment about being civil. I agree. Which brings us full circle back to my original post to you. I look forward to you holding your right wing brethren accountable every time they call someone a phaggot or b1tch or whatever it might be. There are several opportunities for you right here in this very thread. Now don't be a hypocrite.

 

[Hawkedup]

Ah … yes … “bigot” … just another word that leftisthave rendered utterly meaningless.

Not a bigot at all, but … it’s clear you and the rest of your unwelcome Iowa douchesicles are the worst flavor of ****.

enjoy you’re weekend of faux outrage and virtue signaling. Your feelings are so valued.

Hahahaha..... A triggered little bigot. Love it.

 

[baltimorened]

Why are you afraid to answer the question I've asked you twice? Forget the Trump verdict and answer the question independent of that.

afraid, that's unique...here's the legal definition of rape "Legally, rape is defined as any non-consensual sexual penetration of a person's body. Under the federal standard and most modern state codes, it is classified as a severe form of sexual assault and applies to all genders"

now answer mine

 

[Hotshoe]

Stop posting Russian propaganda.

You folks are so dishonest it's unbelievable. Tim had nothing to do with Russia. The media group, Tenet Media got paid, and the DOJ under Biden specifically stated, he was an unwitting figure. Stop lying.

 

[Moral]

You folks are so dishonest it's unbelievable. Tim had nothing to do with Russia. The media group, Tenet Media got paid, and the DOJ under Biden specifically stated, he was an unwitting figure. Stop lying.

They had a front group to fool people like you.

 

[Hotshoe]

And well documented he is like the pencil neck dope Benny Johnson.

Then show your evidence and proof that Tim was ever a part of it. Biden's DOJ specifically stated he was an unwitting participant. 2 Russians were indicted, not Tim. Just more left wing lies.

 

[GesterHawk]

You folks are so dishonest it's unbelievable. Tim had nothing to do with Russia. The media group, Tenet Media got paid, and the DOJ under Biden specifically stated, he was an unwitting figure. Stop lying.

He was their stooge whether he knew it or not. He took the positions Tenet told him to. Positions that came along with the money.

Stop deluding yourself.

 

[DFSNOLE_rivals]

afraid, that's unique...here's the legal definition of rape "Legally, rape is defined as any non-consensual sexual penetration of a person's body. Under the federal standard and most modern state codes, it is classified as a severe form of sexual assault and applies to all genders"

now answer mine

I will answer your question as soon as you stop avoiding mine. I'll try a third time.

You failed to answer my question that was in response to this post of yours.


I'll ask again. If your wife, sister or daughter was vaginally penetrated, without her consent, by a man's fingers, would you say she was raped? It's a simple yes or no question.

Why are you afraid to answer the question I've asked you twice? Forget the Trump verdict and answer the question independent of that.

 

[Hotshoe]

So, totally cool with ignoring the verdicts?

So, you believe all verdicts are proper? OJ, the Central Park Five, McCollum brothers, Scottsboro Boys, Anthony Ray Hinton, Andre Davis, Johnathan Barr, Kristine Bunch, James Hill, and I could go on for days with wrongful convictions. A liberal like you, who is probably against the death penalty, and supports the ACLU, and the Innocence Project, should be more honest. Now, go look up those cases like a good little leftist sheep. The innocence Project has cleared over 250 people themselves.

 

[Hotshoe]

This is gross to type, but by most legal codes if there is any non-consensual penetration of a person's body, with any body part or object, is rape.

It's not gross, it's the law and reality. A criminal conviction of rape depends on 3 things in most states, penetration, non consent, and criminal intent. That is the law. It's why the legal doctrine regarding rape is taught in every law school in America. Without it, there are no convictions. It's precisely why DNA is not needed for a conviction.

 

[Hotshoe]

Your right brethren throw phaggot around this board like it is used in every day talk. It's never appropriate. And you seem to agree with that so spare me the ridicule for the left. Hypocrite.

You should talk to the gay community. They use it as a badge of honor, or to denigrate the term. It's rather common in the community. Kinda like the N word among Blacks. I personally cannot stand either, nor do I believe it helps anyone saying such words.

 

[Hotshoe]

You've lost your damn mind if you say the non-magas are worse about name calling than magas. If you insist on calling people out you'll step up and address all the @ssholes who call everybody f****** or ph******.

Those are your people.

You call people you don't know, Nazis. You're a little authoritarian. Sit down.

 

[baltimorened]

You failed to answer my question that was in response to this post of yours.


I'll ask again. If your wife, sister or daughter was vaginally penetrated, without her consent, by a man's fingers, would you say she was raped? It's a simple yes or no question.

It's not as simple as you make it out to be, at least according to what AI says. I live in Florida...so to answer your question, I looked it up...here was the answer...."In Florida, the legal term for rape is Sexual Battery (Florida Statutes, Chapter 794). The law defines it as oral, anal, or vaginal penetration by, or union with, the sexual organ of another, or anal/vaginal penetration by any other object, committed without the victim's consent" so in florida apparently the answer is "no".

I have a second home in Virginia and I looked up the code there as well "If any person has sexual intercourse with a complaining witness, whether or not his or her spouse, or causes a complaining witness, whether or not his or her spouse, to engage in sexual intercourse with any other person and such act is accomplished (i) against the complaining witness's will, by force, threat or intimidation of or against the complaining witness or another person; or (ii) through the use of the complaining witness's mental incapacity or physical helplessness; or (iii) with a child under age 13 as the victim, he or she shall be guilty of rape." So it appears the answer there might also be "no"

In NY where the Carroll case was prosecuted..."The current law defines rape as vaginal penetration by a penis. The new law broadens the definition to include nonconsensual anal, oral, and vaginal sexual contact. Highlighting Carroll's case at a bill signing ceremony in Albany, the Democratic governor said the new definition will make it easier for rape victims to bring cases forward to prosecute perpetrators."

So it seems, as I said this is not a simple yes or no...

 

[Hotshoe]

What colors do you think the Russian flag is?

So, you think Tim Pool is a Russian asset. Show your proof. Show who was indicted. What your ignorance is actually showing is that, if you were an employee of Enron, you are then legally responsible for doing the job you were hired for, even though, you had nothing to do with the corruption of your bosses. Try some honesty, and not social media lies. Y'all live on that unproven nonsense. For the record, the Biden DOJ only brought forth 2 prosecutions, and they were Russian. Tenet Media was founded by two Canadians, and based in Tennessee. Tim Pool lives in Harpers Ferry, WV Honesty is a *****. You should study up, pup. FYI, Russia has been trying to influence our elections since the 1930's. And just now, you're bothered. Lmao. Talk about ignorance. You are fully on display with your ignorance.

How Russia covertly hired U.S. influencers to create videos : NPR https://share.google/RET3riU6yZ47iVYkG

 

[SoProudNole]

It's not as simple as you make it out to be, at least according to what AI says. I live in Florida...so to answer your question, I looked it up...here was the answer...."In Florida, the legal term for rape is Sexual Battery (Florida Statutes, Chapter 794). The law defines it as oral, anal, or vaginal penetration by, or union with, the sexual organ of another, or anal/vaginal penetration by any other object, committed without the victim's consent" so in florida apparently the answer is "no".

I have a second home in Virginia and I looked up the code there as well "If any person has sexual intercourse with a complaining witness, whether or not his or her spouse, or causes a complaining witness, whether or not his or her spouse, to engage in sexual intercourse with any other person and such act is accomplished (i) against the complaining witness's will, by force, threat or intimidation of or against the complaining witness or another person; or (ii) through the use of the complaining witness's mental incapacity or physical helplessness; or (iii) with a child under age 13 as the victim, he or she shall be guilty of rape." So it appears the answer there might also be "no"

In NY where the Carroll case was prosecuted..."The current law defines rape as vaginal penetration by a penis. The new law broadens the definition to include nonconsensual anal, oral, and vaginal sexual contact. Highlighting Carroll's case at a bill signing ceremony in Albany, the Democratic governor said the new definition will make it easier for rape victims to bring cases forward to prosecute perpetrators."

So it seems, as I said this is not a simple yes or no...

JFC, I can't imagine the conversation if your wife or daughter told you they were raped.


I mean, yes I can. Yikes.

 

[DFSNOLE_rivals]

It's not as simple as you make it out to be, at least according to what AI says. I live in Florida...so to answer your question, I looked it up...here was the answer...."In Florida, the legal term for rape is Sexual Battery (Florida Statutes, Chapter 794). The law defines it as oral, anal, or vaginal penetration by, or union with, the sexual organ of another, or anal/vaginal penetration by any other object, committed without the victim's consent" so in florida apparently the answer is "no".

I have a second home in Virginia and I looked up the code there as well "If any person has sexual intercourse with a complaining witness, whether or not his or her spouse, or causes a complaining witness, whether or not his or her spouse, to engage in sexual intercourse with any other person and such act is accomplished (i) against the complaining witness's will, by force, threat or intimidation of or against the complaining witness or another person; or (ii) through the use of the complaining witness's mental incapacity or physical helplessness; or (iii) with a child under age 13 as the victim, he or she shall be guilty of rape." So it appears the answer there might also be "no"

In NY where the Carroll case was prosecuted..."The current law defines rape as vaginal penetration by a penis. The new law broadens the definition to include nonconsensual anal, oral, and vaginal sexual contact. Highlighting Carroll's case at a bill signing ceremony in Albany, the Democratic governor said the new definition will make it easier for rape victims to bring cases forward to prosecute perpetrators."

So it seems, as I said this is not a simple yes or no...

If it happened to your wife, sister or daughter, would YOU call it rape? That is a simple yes or no question.

 

[Hotshoe]

I didn't make any judgements...I only pointed out a fact relative to Trump's guilt. He was not found guilty of rape...we could argue whether or not he should have been, but that was a jury's verdict

Donald Trump was not found guilty of rape, but a federal jury did find him civilly liable for sexual abuse and defamation against E. Jean Carroll

They're are so dishonest, they can't even handle legal statutes.

 

[Hotshoe]

but it wasn't..No matter how you try to make this more negative about trump, we are still a nation of laws. He was charged, tried and not found guilty of rape....I don't know why a guilty verdict of sexual abuse - a fact - has to be exaggerated with a claim that is not factual.

They don't believe in laws, nor do they believe we are a nation of laws, not men. They are party first, and damn the truth.

 

[RockyMtNole]

They don't believe in laws, nor do they believe we are a nation of laws, not men. They are party first, and damn the truth.

That’s rich, coming from a MAGA. Talk about a lack of self-awareness.

 

[baltimorened]

If it happened to your wife, sister or daughter, would YOU call it rape? That is a simple yes or no question.

according to laws in VA and Florida the answer is "no" no matter what I call it....so No.

 

[Hotshoe]

You failed to answer my question that was in response to this post of yours.


I'll ask again. If your wife, sister or daughter was vaginally penetrated, without her consent, by a man's fingers, would you say she was raped? It's a simple yes or no question.

What an ignorant comment regarding Trump. Penetration is the very basis of rape. That was never proven in a criminal court. What don't you get with your bullsh-t gaslighting? Trump was never criminally convicted of rape. Do you not get that? He is simply stating legal facts which you cannot seem to handle.

 

[RockyMtNole]

but it wasn't..No matter how you try to make this more negative about trump, we are still a nation of laws. He was charged, tried and not found guilty of rape....I don't know why a guilty verdict of sexual abuse - a fact - has to be exaggerated with a claim that is not factual.

To be clear, he was not charged or tried. This was a civil case. He was found liable for sexual assault, only because the definition in NY didn’t cover what he did. As mentioned repeatedly, in many other states it would’ve been rape.

Either way, it’s a distinction without a difference when addressing what he did. He jammed his fingers into Carroll’s ****** without her consent. Sounds pretty consistent:

“I better use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing her. You know I'm automatically attracted to beautiful—I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait. And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab 'em by the *****. You can do anything.”

 

[Hotshoe]

Funny post. You literally have long time posters on this board using phag and calling people b1tches in virtually every single post including the dude you quoted. The amount of lies spewed by a group on this board is absurd but keep pointing your finger at the new guys. Pretty sure your bias is political.

Meanwhile, y'all call Americans Nazis and believe Tim Pool is a Russian asset with zero proof. Get lost you hypocrite.

 

[baltimorened]

To be clear, he was not charged or tried. This was a civil case. He was found liable for sexual assault, only because the definition in NY didn’t cover what he did. As mentioned repeatedly, in many other states it would’ve been rape.

Either way, it’s a distinction without a difference when addressing what he did. He jammed his fingers into Carroll’s ****** without her consent. Sounds pretty consistent:

“I better use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing her. You know I'm automatically attracted to beautiful—I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait. And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab 'em by the *****. You can do anything.”

just so we're on same page, both of the trump v Carroll were jury trials.....I don't know how you can say it's a distinction without difference. There's a significant difference between a finger or penis penetration.

Now, you accept the accusation of trump jamming his fingers....but you somehow don't seem to be able to accept that Trump was not found guilty of rape...in accordance with NY law.

 

[Hotshoe]

They had a front group to fool people like you.

You're a clown like the rest and you have zero evidence. Biden's DOJ had none, but you know better. Get lost. You're dishonest as hell.

 

[Hotshoe]

He was their stooge whether he knew it or not. He took the positions Tenet told him to. Positions that came along with the money.

Stop deluding yourself.

Show your proof, or get lost. All you lefties on here is act like little children and gaslight everyone. Show just one piece of evidence. Just one. Y'all don't give a damn about the law, only your lying and pathetic party.

 

[Hotshoe]

JFC, I can't imagine the conversation if your wife or daughter told you they were raped.


I mean, yes I can. Yikes.

I can't imagine being as ignorant to the law as you are. There are literally, hundreds of thousands of cases regarding rape throughout America. It's the law, dude. You only talk about emotions, not the fking law. Idiots like you are the same idiots who hung witches based on community outrage and zero proof.

 

[Hotshoe]

That’s rich, coming from a MAGA. Talk about a lack of self-awareness.

Totally expected from someone like you, based solely in emotions and not the law. Here's reality for your bleeding heart. Do you realize, most rape cases in America do not result in rape convictions, but sexual assault? Of course you don't, because you put emotions over the law. Those are simple facts. Of course, you, like the rest of your ignorant friends believe emotions are far more important than the law. You would have done well in the Old South against Blacks.

 

[baltimorened]

Show your proof, or get lost. All you lefties on here is act like little children and gaslight everyone. Show just one piece of evidence. Just one. Y'all don't give a damn about the law, only your lying and pathetic party.

that's one major difference I note between the "new" and "Old" boards. In the old, we had discussions and debates were on facts...sure one side had their facts and the other hand opposing facts. But, for the most part, discussions were centered around those "facts" and while I guess it happened, debates didn't center around how much time I spent with your mother.

The "new" board seems full of all these accusations that just seem to come from the blue or from either MSM or DNC talking points and if you ask for some backup, any backup, to support the claim, well then your supporting trump, or we go back to "your mother".

 

[RockyMtNole]

just so we're on same page, both of the trump v Carroll were jury trials.....I don't know how you can say it's a distinction without difference. There's a significant difference between a finger or penis penetration.

Now, you accept the accusation of trump jamming his fingers....but you somehow don't seem to be able to accept that Trump was not found guilty of rape...in accordance with NY law.

I accept and acknowlege that.

Two juries found him liable for sexual abuse. Meaning he penetrated her with his fingers. In many states that is rape. The judge noted that it was rape, as the term was commonly understood.

 

[RockyMtNole]

Totally expected from someone like you, based solely in emotions and not the law. Here's reality for your bleeding heart. Do you realize, most rape cases in America do not result in rape convictions, but sexual assault? Of course you don't, because you put emotions over the law. Those are simple facts. Of course, you, like the rest of your ignorant friends believe emotions are far more important than the law. You would have done well in the Old South against Blacks.

Why so agitated?
Settle down a bit.

 

[RockyMtNole]

that's one major difference I note between the "new" and "Old" boards. In the old, we had discussions and debates were on facts...sure one side had their facts and the other hand opposing facts. But, for the most part, discussions were centered around those "facts" and while I guess it happened, debates didn't center around how much time I spent with your mother.

The "new" board seems full of all these accusations that just seem to come from the blue or from either MSM or DNC talking points and if you ask for some backup, any backup, to support the claim, well then your supporting trump, or we go back to "your mother".

You think you are talking facts. I’ve noticed you are often mistaken.

But you do use a lot of words, I give you that.

 

[UrHuckleberry]

So, you think Tim Pool is a Russian asset. Show your proof. Show who was indicted. What your ignorance is actually showing is that, if you were an employee of Enron, you are then legally responsible for doing the job you were hired for, even though, you had nothing to do with the corruption of your bosses. Try some honesty, and not social media lies. Y'all live on that unproven nonsense. For the record, the Biden DOJ only brought forth 2 prosecutions, and they were Russian. Tenet Media was founded by two Canadians, and based in Tennessee. Tim Pool lives in Harpers Ferry, WV Honesty is a *****. You should study up, pup. FYI, Russia has been trying to influence our elections since the 1930's. And just now, you're bothered. Lmao. Talk about ignorance. You are fully on display with your ignorance.

How Russia covertly hired U.S. influencers to create videos : NPR https://share.google/RET3riU6yZ47iVYkG

I need you to calm down. It was clearly a joke and @TigerGrowls took it as one as we’ve always been cordial. This paragraph response to a joke is wild.

 

[Hawkedup]

Meanwhile, y'all call Americans Nazis and believe Tim Pool is a Russian asset with zero proof. Get lost you hypocrite.

I didn’t say either of those things. So piss off 85 year old loud mouth.

 

[GesterHawk]

Show your proof, or get lost. All you lefties on here is act like little children and gaslight everyone. Show just one piece of evidence. Just one. Y'all don't give a damn about the law, only your lying and pathetic party.

What Right-Wing Influencers Actually Said in Those Tenet Media Videos

A WIRED analysis shows that right-wing stars like Tim Pool and Benny Johnson focused on topics like Elon Musk and supposed racism toward white people in hundreds of videos allegedly paid for by Russia.

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