On paper agree 100%. If 2 more bigs are added, this team would have the most size, interchangeable pieces, and better 3pt shooting and depth.
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I really like this roster that Holloway put together. My one concern is the lack of a 2nd team All BE and 1st team all BE defensive player quality PG. Am I the only poster concerned about this. Sorry if I keep beating this drum!
Not sure this is better roster than this past 20 plus win season. Sure it might have addressed the issue with 3 point shooting. If the kids can shoot like they did the past season, but who knows when faced with tougher defenses if they will. That is an unknown. The center position has not been upgraded and we don't know if the point guard play will be as good. Which leaves me back to this team is a big unknown and it will be very interesting to see what the coach's poll and other experts think of this group that Sha and the GM brought together.
Lots of middle of the road talent with perhaps potential as a team to be greater than the individual components. I am hoping for a respectable out of conference and in conference showing. It is on Sha and his assistants to work their magic or expertise to make it happen.
Lots of middle of the road talent with perhaps potential as a team to be greater than the individual components. I am hoping for a respectable out of conference and in conference showing. It is on Sha and his assistants to work their magic or expertise to make it happen.
One thing about last years team, it may have been one of the worst passing teams I’ve witnessed in SHU ball. Half *** with the ball. I think they have plenty of capable ball handlers in Jones, Parker and Payday. Do not sleep on payday as he may be the biggest surprise.
Actually, last years team averaged more assists than any SHU team going back to 2019. The ball movement was decent…they just couldn’t make shots. In addition, the turnover rate was well below recent teams.
I am not concerned. I didnt think Budd was goung to do that. And if Budd didnt make those teams, but the other guys and Budd were just a little better shooters, we may have been a tourney team.
I am not gonna fret over what I dont know. For me, summer is for hopefullness. My fretting starts when I actually see the team, and I actally dont like what I see. (FWIW, I didnt like us that much till the NC St game) I seriously think this team will be better. Time will tell.
I respectfully disagree on passing. Agree 100% with not making shots.
You make a great point with the turnover rate. I think it went overlooked that we had very few games where we lost the turnover battle.
Having a true point guard helped a great deal in that regard. And chiming in with others I like this incoming roster with the main concern being the point guard position.
Too early to tell. Someone may emerge like parker.
Did you think at this point in time last year clark would be the defensive player he turned out to be
Um, yes, that was his calling card at Merrimack.
The surprise for me with Clark was his fantastic mid-range game.
The new team has some talent to work with but work it needs, almost all are stepping up in class, some stepping way up in class. Sha needs to get them to play togther like he did with last season's team.
Team was putrid at feeding the post all year. Numbers don't always tell the complete story. Not just the poor passes that led to turnovers, the poorly timed passes, passes to the wrong hand. Don't even get me started on fast break passing. Worst team I have seen in years on the break.
That's more of a Sha offensive scheme thing.
I saw plenty of designed post ups that were missed or late when the earlier established position was lost.
That’s a legit concern and I have about 50 more even if I’m bullish on the roster. No one knew about 85% of these kids until the Hall had interest. And we are 0-4 under Sha with getting to the dance. So yea if you have a “prove it” mentality it’s completely justified. Don’t let the kool aid Carino crowd make you think otherwise. Doesn’t make you less of a fan or overly negative. One can like the crew assembled but still have questions.
But numbers matter. The putrid play you are referring woukd have been reflected in turnover numbers, and they weren’t. In fact, a lot of turnovers came off Budd’s dribbling balls off his leg or losing control. And how many balls did Payne fumble because of his hands?
I agree, but we did make a number of unforced turnovers.... that were hard to watch.
BUDD with this group of shooters would have eight assists a game rather than 5+. My thinking on Clark is that he improved as the season went on— with his handle (dribbling the ball off his leg when he penetrated too deep), with confidence in his mid range, with his foul shooting (he improved from around 71% early to around 75% for the full year). He did not improve his 3 ball! IMO he was the unquestioned leader of the team.
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After watching them practice it’s not a scheme at all. Problem was the guards/wins were very late getting Hines the ball when he clearly had position. Hopefully that improves this year. I will agree that what surprised me a ton about Clark was his midrange game. Easily the worst pirate amongst all time pirate pgs shooting the 3 ball. One thing that the team had success was when Bud ran there set alley plays as they had 2 installed last year. Will be interesting to see what sets they run this year. I will say it’s lunacy that he’s getting north of a mil. I think this squad will just be fine.
What I am referring to was reflected in our incredibly poor 2 point field goal percentage. I specifically said alot of these passing issues did not result in turnovers.
For a guy with a good handle, Budd did dribble off his leg a good amount at inopportune times. All that being said, he would have been great this year at Seton Hall imo.
I disagree. Wide open threes and teams were playing off the guards because they were historically bad shooters. And as I said earlier, they had a higher assist rate than previous teams which is even more remarkable because of the poor FG% on the roster. If they shot at an average %, the assist rate would be even higher.
Ignoring Hines inside while nobody else could score was a purposeful “scheme”? Embarrassing.
I actually thought there were a lot of times where Hines didn’t do enough to get open. Lots of times. Even saw it against New Haven. It’s not sour grapes because he left.He was only freshman and was and is far from a finished product.
Turnover rate was historically low. Very nice to see. Now we need shooters - how about the Knicks with 32 assists and 6 turnovers the other day? Amazing offensive cohesion. Beautiful basketball. But again Nova Knicks....without those 3 guys, different team.
Trey Parker was better at feeding the post as I recall.
Agree with Hines.
I thought early in the year he was running rim to rim and Clark and others were hitting him early. As the year progressed, we lost that and Hines was too quick to give up position and get pushed further from bucket. He will develop in that regard I suspect.
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I was not impressed with Hines getting position. I chalk It up in part to basketball today. A big kid could watch the nba playoffs and not seec a true post up center. Have to look in history books. Its is like telling kids about phone booths lol
My two cents is last year’s team (and the horrid year before) just had trouble finishing at the rim off drives. Thats also why teams played off Budd — and why he had to have a mid range game.
The defense last year was so incredible that it won games for us. I just don’t think that model is sustainable over a full season and players get injured and taxed.
Plus you have coaches calling out Holloway’s aggressive approach and it resulted in some ridiculously one-sided officiated games later on.
I would love to see some of these wings be able to convert at the rim and stretch the defense out on the 3 ball line. That’ll also open up opportunities for the bigs.
Does this team have it?
The defense last year was so incredible that it won games for us. I just don’t think that model is sustainable over a full season and players get injured and taxed.
Plus you have coaches calling out Holloway’s aggressive approach and it resulted in some ridiculously one-sided officiated games later on.
I would love to see some of these wings be able to convert at the rim and stretch the defense out on the 3 ball line. That’ll also open up opportunities for the bigs.
Does this team have it?
All stepping up in class is not a fair statement.
Robbie Anderson averaged 11 ppg in the BE last year at Xavier.
Plus Wilcher has only played at a P5 level in his 3 years of experience (SJU / TX)
I expect Wilcher to start. Anderson is most likely one of the first subs off the bench or could be the starter at the 2 spot. Parker is also returning, just not sure his exact role yet.
with our budget and essentially complete roster turnover, 3 players with P5 experience is ok.
Plus Jones (Clemson), Nwuli (Rutgers) and Williams (UCLA) also have P5 experience on their brief resumes.
I guess you missed the "almost all" part. What happened before last season seems meaningless, rarely is anyone's 3-point pct. and other stats from 2 years before talked about.
I agree with this.
would I have loved to have Budd back…Yes
would he have enhanced our chances with more shooters around him…most likely Yes.
But let’s not forget that Budd shot 46.5% from 2 point range. For as good as his midrange was, combined with his inability to finish at the rim, as a coach I would let him shoot those all day long.
Del Jones is definitely more a lead guard compared to a true PG. However, with his size at 6’2” and 187 lbs, I’m intrigued to see if he can score at all 3 levels like his stats suggest. This will be the key to unlocking the shooters brought in.
If the opposition needs to slow him down, he should have opportunities to set those shooter up. If that comes to fruition then Yes this roster could be better than last years on the offensive side of the ball by a large margin.
My apologies. I thought I edited my post to reference the “almost” part.
But my point was if I have a few guys that I expect to be significant contributors with that experience then I am ok with that. There is no way we expect to have all P5 starters.
And it’s funny how we pick and choose previous years stats. Because I definitely remember people doing that last year.
People were saying Fischer had BE experience off of one year at DePaul two years prior.
And everyone was referencing ASM’s 3 point percentage in his last season at Samford (41.3%) when it was the clear outlier season in his career.
I think the bigger key to getting room for the better 3-point shooters is to have more of an inside scoring presence. We really don't have any right now but an undersized Copeland will provide some of that.