Rutgers doesn’t win enough because most of you don’t donate enough

[rutgersal_rivals139582]

You continue to ignore Greggy’s poor results AND he would have been fired 3 years ago from any of the schools you like to compare us too. Keep trying this is fun

He would have had a lot more resources to achieve the needed results at the schools I like to compare us to. That’s what you like to conveniently ignore:

- their campuses are much better
- their facilities are much better
- they donate a lot more
- their stadium atmosphere is very likely much better
- their level of pride is much higher
- ultimately they have e more to offer

when you go to Central Park, NYC, there are more Michigan Shirts than that of any other school.

I think Greg could win a National Championship at Rutgers if enough people are interested. Miami is such a small school that is now competing for National Championships because enough people have invested in their success. Indiana is a big school that competes for Championships because enough people have invested in their success.

either school can serve as a template for Rutgers. But success isn’t going to come without enough financial support.

 

[RUDivision]

He would have had a lot more resources to achieve the needed results at the schools I like to compare us to. That’s what you like to conveniently ignore:

- their campuses are much better
- their facilities are much better
- they donate a lot more
- their stadium atmosphere is very likely much better
- their level of pride is much higher
- ultimately they have e more to offer

when you go to Central Park, NYC, there are more Michigan Shirts than that of any other school.

I think Greg could win a National Championship at Rutgers if enough people are interested. Miami is such a small school that is now competing for National Championships because enough people have invested in their success. Indiana is a big school that competes for Championships because enough people have invested in their success.

either school can serve as a template for Rutgers. But success isn’t going to come without enough financial support.

If Greg is soooo good! Why did OSU fire him as a coordinator and refuse to hire him as a HC? Why did Tennessee fire him before he started?

Greggy is a vacuum cleaner door to door salesman.

 

[T2Kplus20]

How far he's fallen since he made the comment that the required donation for Scarlet lot should be $10K yet wouldn't agree to donating that amount individually when I pressed him...lol. You did a great job exposing him after that.

As expected, Al is a fraud. Definitely not a surprise.

And once again, this thread is pointless. RU doesn't need more relatively minor donors, they need 2-3 whales (who foot the bill for top programs). This is all that matters.

 

[Caliknight]

As expected, Al is a fraud. Definitely not a surprise.

And once again, this thread is pointless. RU doesn't need more relatively minor donors, they need 2-3 whales (who foot the bill for top programs). This is all that matters.

Though DeadbeatAl has morphed into a whale, sadly he’s not the kind we need lol

 

[RUBlackout]

He would have had a lot more resources to achieve the needed results at the schools I like to compare us to. That’s what you like to conveniently ignore:

- their campuses are much better
- their facilities are much better
- they donate a lot more
- their stadium atmosphere is very likely much better
- their level of pride is much higher
- ultimately they have e more to offer

when you go to Central Park, NYC, there are more Michigan Shirts than that of any other school.

I think Greg could win a National Championship at Rutgers if enough people are interested. Miami is such a small school that is now competing for National Championships because enough people have invested in their success. Indiana is a big school that competes for Championships because enough people have invested in their success.

either school can serve as a template for Rutgers. But success isn’t going to come without enough financial support.

What you are failing to see….

these schools have history on winning which has resulted in donors stepping up and wanting to continue that success. Michigan has the most wins out of any D1 football program EVER!!! Miami has produced an enormous amount of NFL talent and has won championships.
You keep staring the donations have to come first for there to be success and that is utter ********.

Look no further than Indiana—the beloved school you keep recalling in this thread about their winning success and donor support. That stadium could BARELY be filled 3yrs ago and football was a complete afterthought to basketball. Their donor support was nonexistent. It wasn’t until they started winning that they saw an increase in demand, attention, and donors stepping up (big whales like Cuban). Again no one gave TWO ***** until they started to see some success on the field. That was the spark for them. It was NOT established with prior donor support or even support from the school.

I wish Schiano the best and hope he proves everyone wrong that he can have a championship caliber team on the field—-history tells us otherwise except for a lightning in a bottle year 20yrs ago. Until we start showing something on the field we are not going to see people coming out of the woodwork to Increase attendance or donations. People want to invest in winners!! For now, we are left with those optimists who continue to support the program and consider the “what if”. I am one of them.

I did notice in my priority points that we seemed to have gained ~10k new donors YoY if the numbers are accurate (50k total donor). That is positive momentum even if they are minimal just to get people in the habit. I sit in the top 10% in priority points and donate 5 figures per year for what I can afford.

You are wrong though in your approach and what needs to happen is success in the field. Make people dream. A coach needs to prove they can do more with less and that has not happened. We can’t even get over the hump of beating a top 25 team or even a team that we aren’t expected to beat. That’s the primary issue so hold your beloved coach to a higher standard

 

[kupuna133]

I’m inviting others to share the burden with me. That is key.

Not so sure you are though. You’re belittling others to donate more when you have shown you aren’t at the levels you preach is needed. You “ donate” (actually required so not a donation) the amount to qualify for a parking pass and ticket. Thats the cost of admission.

 

[Rutgers Chris]

Wrong. Indiana won big only after they spent big on facilities ($86M) then NIL. Miami needed four years of NIL investing before they made it to the Big Show, but already had really good facilities in place. The best Players aren’t coming to a P4 place that doesn’t have NIL and facilities. Our recruiting results prove that. Our on field results prove that.

you continue to think we can win on the cheap in the Big Ten, but it’s not possible. The best we can do is 5-7 wins and maybe once in a while we’ll have a chance at 8-9 wins like in ‘24. Consistency requires lots of money.

From 2007-2018 Indiana spent north of $100M upgrading their facilities. They didn’t win anything. They brought in a once in a lifetime coach and they won a national title. Study causation vs correlation

 

[kupuna133]

From 2007-2018 Indiana spent north of $100M upgrading their facilities. They didn’t win anything. They brought in a once in a lifetime coach and they won a national title. Study causation vs correlation

Now compare same time frame at Rutgers. We spent 4-5x that.

 

[rutgersal_rivals139582]

Now compare same time frame at Rutgers. We spent 4-5x that.

we spent big money on the Stadium to get it to Big Ten Specs and that investment paid off.

We don’t have a competitive Fieldhouse comparable to other programs, and that is the biggest hole in our offering, next to our inadequate NIL. Everyone loves to ignore this, but the best Recruits aren’t ignoring this. They’re going elsewhere.

Building the Rodkin Center was a huge mistake and those funds should have been spent on the Football Fieldhouse.

 

[rutgersal_rivals139582]

Not so sure you are though. You’re belittling others to donate more when you have shown you aren’t at the levels you preach is needed. You “ donate” (actually required so not a donation) the amount to qualify for a parking pass and ticket. Thats the cost of admission.

I could easily go to the game without donating. I’m in shape to park on College Ave and walk to the game. I could sit in the seats that don’t require a donation. Every donation is needed. Don’t discount mine.

 

[kupuna133]

I could easily go to the game without donating. I’m in shape to park on College Ave and walk to the game. I could sit in the seats that don’t require a donation. Every donation is needed. Don’t discount mine.

You don’t want to be discounted. But you’re in here discounting everyone else’s. See the hypocrisy? When it’s required. It’s not really a donation. It’s cost of having those seats.

 

[kupuna133]

we spent big money on the Stadium to get it to Big Ten Specs and that investment paid off.

We don’t have a competitive Fieldhouse comparable to other programs, and that is the biggest hole in our offering, next to our inadequate NIL. Everyone loves to ignore this, but the best Recruits aren’t ignoring this. They’re going elsewhere.

Building the Rodkin Center was a huge mistake and those funds should have been spent on the Football Fieldhouse.

See that’s something we agree on. Rodkin and performance centers were tremendous waste of resources. Once the performance center is not directly attached to the RAC it could have been placed anywhere. Same with the Rodkin center. Plopping it in the middle of prime real estate. Cutting off future development was a monumental mistake. Rodkin and performance center should have been consolidated into one project with a field house attached. This complex could have been utilized by all athletes and could have been built less than 2 independent projects.

 

[rutgersal_rivals139582]

What you are failing to see….

these schools have history on winning which has resulted in donors stepping up and wanting to continue that success. Michigan has the most wins out of any D1 football program EVER!!! Miami has produced an enormous amount of NFL talent and has won championships.
You keep staring the donations have to come first for there to be success and that is utter ********.

Look no further than Indiana—the beloved school you keep recalling in this thread about their winning success and donor support. That stadium could BARELY be filled 3yrs ago and football was a complete afterthought to basketball. Their donor support was nonexistent. It wasn’t until they started winning that they saw an increase in demand, attention, and donors stepping up (big whales like Cuban). Again no one gave TWO ***** until they started to see some success on the field. That was the spark for them. It was NOT established with prior donor support or even support from the school.

I wish Schiano the best and hope he proves everyone wrong that he can have a championship caliber team on the field—-history tells us otherwise except for a lightning in a bottle year 20yrs ago. Until we start showing something on the field we are not going to see people coming out of the woodwork to Increase attendance or donations. People want to invest in winners!! For now, we are left with those optimists who continue to support the program and consider the “what if”. I am one of them.

I did notice in my priority points that we seemed to have gained ~10k new donors YoY if the numbers are accurate (50k total donor). That is positive momentum even if they are minimal just to get people in the habit. I sit in the top 10% in priority points and donate 5 figures per year for what I can afford.

You are wrong though in your approach and what needs to happen is success in the field. Make people dream. A coach needs to prove they can do more with less and that has not happened. We can’t even get over the hump of beating a top 25 team or even a team that we aren’t expected to beat. That’s the primary issue so hold your beloved coach to a higher standard

I know you’ve done your share to make Rutgers a winner. My beloved coach has made Rutgers competitive in the Big Ten, despite being significantly outspent. Northwestern just spent a billion dollars on facilities. MSU just got $400M in NIL. Maryland spent $300M on an Fieldhouse. And these are teams we expect to beat these days. How are we going to compete going forward? With the way things are trending, it doesn’t look like we’re going to. I find that very sad.

In my mind, he has maximized our situation as best he can. I hate to break the news to everyone, but this is as good as it gets, without additional financial support . 5-7 wins and praying for a minor bowl.

 

[rutgersal_rivals139582]

You don’t want to be discounted. But you’re in here discounting everyone else’s. See the hypocrisy? When it’s required. It’s not really a donation. It’s cost of having those seats.

What you’re not understanding is that my donations are optional. I don’t have to sit or park in places which require donations.

I didn’t discount anyone else’s. I said we need to do more if we are to compete. And that is the truth. We are not able to land the best jersey kids. We are back to the Terry Shea days in this regard.

 

[ClassOf02v.2]

What you’re not understanding is that my donations are optional. I don’t have to sit or park in places which require donations.

I didn’t discount anyone else’s. I said we need to do more if we are to compete. And that is the truth. We are not able to land the best jersey kids. We are back to the Terry Shea days in this regard.

Not true. All you’ve been doing is discounting everyone else’s donations, when you don’t look at yourself in the mirror.

You titled this thread “Rutgers doesn’t win enough because most of you don’t donate enough.” Had you said “Rutgers doesn’t win enough because WE don’t donate enough” then you might have a point. But you chose to be condescending to everyone else. Do you really not see that?

You’re a small fry Al. Nothing wrong with that. Rutgers needs every season ticket holder and parking pass purchaser it can get. But in the scheme of things, you’re a blip. If you were Greg Brown, then you’ve earned the right to lecture this board. But you’re not.

 

[-RUFAN4LIFE-]

What you’re not understanding is that my donations are optional. I don’t have to sit or park in places which require donations.

I didn’t discount anyone else’s. I said we need to do more if we are to compete. And that is the truth. We are not able to land the best jersey kids. We are back to the Terry Shea days in this regard.

No, you've spent plenty of time talking down to people here whether they donate or not.

YOU ARE THE PROBLEM

 

[Caliknight]

What you’re not understanding is that my donations are optional. I don’t have to sit or park in places which require donations.

I didn’t discount anyone else’s. I said we need to do more if we are to compete. And that is the truth. We are not able to land the best jersey kids. We are back to the Terry Shea days in this regard.

No, your title says “because most of YOU don’t donate enough” insinuating that you are donating enough, when in reality, you aren’t donating ****. You’re just buying a ticket and a place to park. Good news it’s in a crappy lot forcing you to maybe walk that beer belly off.

 

[Caliknight]

See that’s something we agree on. Rodkin and performance centers were tremendous waste of resources. Once the performance center is not directly attached to the RAC it could have been placed anywhere. Same with the Rodkin center. Plopping it in the middle of prime real estate. Cutting off future development was a monumental mistake. Rodkin and performance center should have been consolidated into one project with a field house attached. This complex could have been utilized by all athletes and could have been built less than 2 independent projects.

Telling people who build things at Rutgers donating the money to pay for them, well, they are going to build what they want. Not enough believe in Schiano to build him his field house. That’s the real problem.

 

[Kbe4]

Greggy is a vacuum cleaner door to door salesman.

Aren't they all ?

 

[Jerseylegends]

What you’re not understanding is that my donations are optional. I don’t have to sit or park in places which require donations.

I didn’t discount anyone else’s. I said we need to do more if we are to compete. And that is the truth. We are not able to land the best jersey kids. We are back to the Terry Shea days in this regard.

"Back to the Terry Shea days" ...The only time I remember Rutgers doing what they were supposed to do in regards to top recruits in NJ was coincidentally, after the Louisville win lol..caroo, Hamilton etc. Thats when Rutgers had some real momentum because of winning, not donations. And of course schiano leaves to go coach the buccaneers. That's what really everything up, in regards to that Louisville momentum. He's going to have to generate another season like that to start the momentum again..If not in the next two years let him go coach the buccaneers or university of Tennessee because it's time to give someone else a shot..

 

[kupuna133]

What you’re not understanding is that my donations are optional. I don’t have to sit or park in places which require donations.

I didn’t discount anyone else’s. I said we need to do more if we are to compete. And that is the truth. We are not able to land the best jersey kids. We are back to the Terry Shea days in this regard.

Your thread title is one giant discount.
I understand. What you just explained is the definition of option. You choose to sit there. Therefore it’s cost of entry. Not a “donation”.

 

[kupuna133]

Telling people who build things at Rutgers donating the money to pay for them, well, they are going to build what they want. Not enough believe in Schiano to build him his field house. That’s the real problem.

Not telling what to build. Telling them where to build. Those projects didn’t need to be built in those exact pieces of property. I understand this space very well. You bring a concept to the big donor show them what it looks like. Tell them where it will go. You don’t let them decide location. That’s already worked out. The donor puts the window dressing on it.

Agreed. Considering part of the contract was that Schiano needed to secure a certain % of donors himself before shovels go in the ground on a field house.

 

[Caliknight]

Not telling what to build. Telling them where to build. Those projects didn’t need to be built in those exact pieces of property. I understand this space very well. You bring a concept to the big donor show them what it looks like. Tell them where it will go. You don’t let them decide location. That’s already worked out. The donor puts the window dressing on it. It’s 90% worked out before you seek the donation.

That’s fair but Schiano wants absolutely no non football people in “his” building, so that would have ultimately been a problem anyway. Good thing they put it where they did.

 

[Anon1754923206]

Imagine if Tennessee had hired GS? he may not have lasted one season.

 

[rutgersal_rivals139582]

Imagine if Tennessee had hired GS? he may not have lasted one season.

If Tennessee had hired GS, they would have won a National Championship already. They are serious about football success so they have serious money for staff, facilities, and players. Tennessee recruited 2 kids from the NJ Top 30 this year. Rutgers recruited zero.

 

[rutgersal_rivals139582]

Your thread title is one giant discount.
I understand. What you just explained is the definition of option. You choose to sit there. Therefore it’s cost of entry. Not a “donation”.

Now you’re playing semantics. Rutgers officially calls them contributions to the R Fund, which most people would call donations. You’re free to call them whatever you want.

 

[rutgersal_rivals139582]

That’s fair but Schiano wants absolutely no non football people in “his” building, so that would have ultimately been a problem anyway. Good thing they put it where they did.

the biggest problem today is that the sport with the largest revenue potential doesn’t have a strong enough offering to realize it.

we recruited 2 kids from nj,

0 in the NJ Top 30, 2 in the NJ Top 40 per on3.

the geographic distribution was
- 4 kids from pa
- 4 kids from fl
- 3 kids from va
- 2 kids from nj
- 2 kids from ga
- 2 kids from nc
- 2 kids from oh
- 1 kid from az
- 1 kid from ct
- 1 kid from il
- 1 kid from mi

2026 Top Football New Jersey Recruits

A list of the top 2026 Football recruits as determined by Rivals.

www.on3.com

 

[NickRU714]

Now you’re playing semantics. Rutgers officially calls them contributions to the R Fund, which most people would call donations. You’re free to call them whatever you want.

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Semantics - its a mandatory donation.

Speaking of parking donations:
If the Scarlet Lot was raised to $20k per pass (as you previously recommended), would you keep your pass?

And if so, why not donate that money anyway to help Schiano and the AD?

 

[-RUFAN4LIFE-]

Now you’re playing semantics. Rutgers officially calls them contributions to the R Fund, which most people would call donations. You’re free to call them whatever you want.

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You've spent the last year trying to bludgeon people about not donating to NIL and you're main contributions are not going there either.

Typical of a fraud.

 

[-RUFAN4LIFE-]

If Tennessee had hired GS, they would have won a National Championship already. They are serious about football success so they have serious money for staff, facilities, and players. Tennessee recruited 2 kids from the NJ Top 30 this year. Rutgers recruited zero.

 

[-RUFAN4LIFE-]

Semantics - its a mandatory donation.

Speaking of parking donations:
If the Scarlet Lot was raised to $20k per pass (as you previously recommended), would you keep your pass?

And if so, why not donate that money anyway to help Schiano and the AD?

I asked that back on page 11 when he said it should be raised to $10k and he declined.

 

[RUChet]

Just be quiet already - same post every week

 

[Caliknight]

the biggest problem today is that the sport with the largest revenue potential doesn’t have a strong enough offering to realize it.

we recruited 2 kids from nj,

0 in the NJ Top 30, 2 in the NJ Top 40 per on3.

the geographic distribution was
- 4 kids from pa
- 4 kids from fl
- 3 kids from va
- 2 kids from nj
- 2 kids from ga
- 2 kids from nc
- 2 kids from oh
- 1 kid from az
- 1 kid from ct
- 1 kid from il
- 1 kid from mi

2026 Top Football New Jersey Recruits

A list of the top 2026 Football recruits as determined by Rivals.

www.on3.com

Right. You specifically aren’t something enough to entice a real coach.

 

[Caliknight]

If Tennessee had hired GS, they would have won a National Championship already. They are serious about football success so they have serious money for staff, facilities, and players. Tennessee recruited 2 kids from the NJ Top 30 this year. Rutgers recruited zero.

They are serious. Serious enough to know Schiano is a losing record coach who would have done nothing of note, like he has his entire career.

 

[Caliknight]

Now you’re playing semantics. Rutgers officially calls them contributions to the R Fund, which most people would call donations. You’re free to call them whatever you want.

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What lot are you in with your one season ticket?

 

[Caliknight]

Speaking of NW turn on ESPN. What they built their women’s lacrosse team is insane.