Matt Rhule was the best available hire at the time

[davecisar]

Did Saben not love Alabama by raking in over $11.5 per year from them?

I think we would be happy with Sabans results- Rhule isnt in the same conversation or galaxy. Both Saban and Rhule possess generational wealth. One has earned his money thanks to outstanding results. The other has done little.

If you profess to love Nebraska football and your approach like Rhule has - why not put your money where your mouth is. Won’t hurt his generational wealth one bit. If Rhule thinks alls he needs is money- why not be the catalyst for getting the number you want? Rhule wants us to pony up- why can’t he do the same he is asking of others?

 

[HuskerO58]

I think we would be happy with Sabans results- Rhule isnt in the same conversation or galaxy

I thought this was about a coaches "love" for the program they coach. Now it's about fans happiness...?

 

[SuperBigFan69]

I thought this was about a coaches "love" for the program they coach. Now it's about fans happiness...?

Right??

 

[BugsAreQualityProtein]

What exactly was the best available hire? Not sure there was any at the time or will be next time. NU needs to focus on fit for once instead of making a “splash” hire.

 

[Bigred2467]

Right??

Right??

 

[OxfordComma]

Since Tom retired, the coaches we have hired are people we knew before their names ever came up. The last couple times we also got our primary target.

Assuming Rhule can’t turn it around, I think our next coach should be some guy killing it at a lower level. I was going to say young guy, but I don’t want to rule out any Cignetti types.

 

[suffocation_]

Why? Apparently, to dave, pay determines how much a coach actually loves the school they coach.

Also, what am I "defending" exactly?

If dave feels Saban should have also taken a pay cut, due to his (Saban's) love for Bama, then I'd commend dave for being consistent.

Inventing your own simpleton interpretation then getting mad at it is hilarious.

 

[WHCSC]

Every coach alive was “available” for the right deal

 

[orclover11]

Husker fans would have lost their mind with Cigs.

He is "mean"

Husker fans have never lost their mind with a hire. We are good little sheep and follow the media and administrators if they tell us something good about our leaders. Only after many years of failure OR massive change do we lose our little sheep brains and start running around bleating like all the other sheep, banging our heads against walls, fences, and other sheeps until bleeding and exhausted. Yes, I've raised sheep.

 

[Bigred2467]

Husker fans have never lost their mind with a hire. We are good little sheep and follow the media and administrators if they tell us something good about our leaders. Only after many years of failure OR massive change do we lose our little sheep brains and start running around bleating like all the other sheep, banging our heads against walls, fences, and other sheeps until bleeding and exhausted. Yes, I've raised sheep.

Many lost their minds with the Mike Riley hire - and understandably so.

 

[TDLaww2020]

Yeah...those "health issues" were being a crazy *** rich and not having to work. I hope I get diagnosed with that soon.

Are you okay?

 

[OxfordComma]

 

[Anon1750875978]

Many lost their minds with the Mike Riley hire - and understandably so.

And yet, Riley ended up being a less expensive mistake than MR.

 

[dinglefritz]

But if he would’ve won, fans would let his "meaness" slide. You keep leaving that part out.

Let’s not equate Cig’s personna with Bo’s. Cig is NOWHERE close to the maniac Bo could be.

 

[dinglefritz]

Many lost their minds with the Mike Riley hire - and understandably so.

A few with the Rhule hire.

 

[Poster FKA schuele]

The coaching carousel was pretty slim pickings at that time. We got the best coach available at the time.

Does your hand ever get tired from giving him all these tuggies?

 

[cHUCK001]

The Rhule hire made sense. The Frost hire made sense. You never know how things will work out, you have to go with the data available. I think both were the logical decision at the time. Unfortunate that neither have seemed to work out so far.

Matt had a head coaching record of 57-70 at the time of his hire. I am not sure what data they were looking at.

 

[HuskerO58]

Inventing your own simpleton interpretation then getting mad at it is hilarious.

Inventing? So what's the point of bringing up "if Rhule really loved Nebraska he'd take a payout"?

Just admit, it was a silly comment by david and you jumped the gun believing I was defending Rhule when I wasnt.

 

[HuskerO58]

Matt had a head coaching record of 57-70 at the time of his hire. I am not sure what data they were looking at.

Right or wrong, what he took over at Temple & Baylor and how he left each program.

 

[suffocation_]

Inventing? So what's the point of bringing up "if Rhule really loved Nebraska he'd take a payout"?

Just admit, it was a silly comment by david and you jumped the gun believing I was defending Rhule when I wasnt.

Rhule in year 3 at Nebraska: 7-6, multiple blowout losses

Saban in year 3 at Alabama: 14-0, national championship trophy

I used to think you weren't legitimately stupid, you just liked the sport of losing arguments, but now I can see you really are that dumb.

 

[HuskerO58]

Rhule in year 3 at Nebraska: 7-6, multiple blowout losses

Saban in year 3 at Alabama: 14-0, national championship trophy

I used to think you weren't legitimately stupid, you just liked the sport of losing arguments, but now I can see you really are that dumb.

You are a ******' retard.

Dave brought up salary by saying, "Osborne made 188k for his 94 season which included a 50k bonus. If Rhule was honest about his love for Nebraska and wanting to get us competitive- why not pony up 4 million of your 8 million salary contingent on another 15 million to be raised?

Literally didnt bring up anything about anybody's W/L record. Salary only, that is the conversation.

You're making a dumba$s remark that has no connection to the original statement of dave's nor mine.

 

[orclover11]

Many lost their minds with the Mike Riley hire - and understandably so.

It was a TERRIBLE hire but the media response was surprisingly positive, his early recruiting was surprisingly good, and he was the anti-Pelini. He was known for beating good teams as well, which is something we hadn't had since T.O. He also won 9 straight games somehow, which has to be longest winning streak since Solich. The program cratered really fast once Bo's players left. I can't imagine any worse of a hire from an optics point of view and yet people mostly bought in. I was at the BYU game, it was packed, festive and all that.

 

[Bigred2467]

It was a TERRIBLE hire but the media response was surprisingly positive, his early recruiting was surprisingly good, and he was the anti-Pelini. He was known for beating good teams as well, which is something we hadn't had since T.O. He also won 9 straight games somehow, which has to be longest winning streak since Solich. The program cratered really fast once Bo's players left. I can't imagine any worse of a hire from an optics point of view and yet people mostly bought in. I was at the BYU game, it was packed, festive and all that.

If I recall correctly, that was a very hot day.

 

[TrueBigRedFan]

The coaching carousel was pretty slim pickings at that time. We got the best coach available at the time.

From my point of view, off the field, Coach Rhule is the perfect Coach for Nebraska. On the field, it’s been an improvement but it’s not there yet.

Year 4 is a big one.

 

[dinglefritz]

Rhule in year 3 at Nebraska: 7-6, multiple blowout losses

Saban in year 3 at Alabama: 14-0, national championship trophy

I used to think you weren't legitimately stupid, you just liked the sport of losing arguments, but now I can see you really are that dumb.

The situation Saban walked in to at Bama isn’t remotely close to what Rhule walked in to. Bama still had a ton of talent. People forget what Saban did at LSU before he went to the NFL. He had won in the SEC before and likely could cheat at recruiting with the best of them.

 

[orclover11]

Osborne made 188k for his 94 season which included a 50k bonus.
If Rhule was honest about his love for Nebraska and wanting to get us competitive- why not pony up 4 million of your 8 million salary contingent on another 15 million to be raised?
We would be at about 50 million- in the top 10 money wise
He would be a hero. His supposed love for the state and program would be real and more than hollow empty words.

Instead he looks like another greedy grifter making himself obese at the trough. Wouldn’t affect his lifestyle negatively at all.

I've been this guy before but the agent cartel won't allow a coach to do this. Rhule is a greedy grifter but his behavior is the expectation of the coaching and agent cadre. Coaches still currently have all of the leverage, agents help decide which schools get to sit down with which coaches. Imagine if Rhule gives up 50% of his contract, that sets a precedent which sets the market. Every deal will start at "if you love us" take a 50% pay cut. If you lose 5 games, "take a 50% pay cut". "If you don't win 10, put half your salary into a fund for nil". Rhule would never have a chance at a full salary again, nobody would represent him. Agents are very powerful...Penn State, a top 5-10 job ended up with maybe their 6th option because of the "perceived" slight to Franklin, who has a super-agent. I honestly don't think Rhule could take a "moral" pay cut without hurting his career. Super agents make up to 10% commission on base salary. That means they are making millions on these extensions, and 10s of millions on the overall contracts.

 

[WTFMatt]

We already reached down to a lower division to bring up an up and coming head coach (Scott Frost). Look at how that turned out.

GMAFB. Everyone wanted the prodigal son to return to Nebraska. No other hire would have satisfied anyone. Fans, administration, legacy players/coaches, etc. Also, he wasn't lower division. He was coaching an FBS team at the time. Now a team in the Big XII.

As to dingle's post, I am in full support of hiring a proven winner from a lower division. It's time we give up on the hope that a retread is going to save Nebraska football.

 

[Big bo fan]

That’s certainly not how he was coming across on air. He was openly gushing about us. I believe he called us a sleeping giant.

I guess he could have just been playing to the crowd or maybe trying to get himself a raise from Fox. But it sure felt like more than that to me at the time.

I just heard he was too controversial for us to pull the trigger. Although I’m not sure how close we actually were. And I don’t know how reliable that information was.

I think Urban was somewhat intrigued about Nebraska and felt it could be a good place for a rebuild. Then the game happened and he realized we weren’t anywhere close and knew he didn’t have much energy for the rebuild. You have to remember he had no players to bring in . Cignetti is a great coach and a great story . But who knows how quickly Indiana would have happened if he didn’t have the ability to basically bring an entire top 25 ( James Madison) type team with him .

 

[moralvictories]

GMAFB. Everyone wanted the prodigal son to return to Nebraska. No other hire would have satisfied anyone. Fans, administration, legacy players/coaches, etc. Also, he wasn't lower division. He was coaching an FBS team at the time. Now a team in the Big XII.

As to dingle's post, I am in full support of hiring a proven winner from a lower division. It's time we give up on the hope that a retread is going to save Nebraska football.

UCF was in a G5 conference at the time. The G5 is a step lower than the P4.

 

[suffocation_]

Literally didnt bring up anything about anybody's W/L record.

Yes, and that's exactly the reason why you comparing Rhule to Saban is embarrassingly stupid, you fuckkin dork

Putting your head completely in the sand for some brainlet comparison doesn't absolve you of needing to consider the context. In fact, it's the most important part of a comparison.

 

[TouchdownTom]

After Rhule was fired from the Panthers, he wanted to take a year off from coaching and relax while the Panthers still paid him. So Trev overpaid to hire a coach that didn't want to coach at the time.

I personally wanted either Lance Leopold or Matt Campbell at the time. We will see how Campbell does at Penn State. I know many people dislike Campbell saying he was not good enough for Nebraska, would be a mid level coach instead of a national championship coach, but he is much better than Rhule will ever be. And developed more NFL prospects than Rhule could ever dream of.

 

[davecisar]

Let’s not equate Cig’s personna with Bo’s. Cig is NOWHERE close to the maniac Bo could be.

Correct. Cigs is the epitome of calm and collected on the sidelines and the refs have no issue with him- if you watch an Indiana game- Cigs rarely says anything to the refs- but when he does they listen-are attentive. Thats how you work the refs to win games.

 

[davecisar]

It was a TERRIBLE hire but the media response was surprisingly positive, his early recruiting was surprisingly good, and he was the anti-Pelini. He was known for beating good teams as well, which is something we hadn't had since T.O. He also won 9 straight games somehow, which has to be longest winning streak since Solich. The program cratered really fast once Bo's players left. I can't imagine any worse of a hire from an optics point of view and yet people mostly bought in. I was at the BYU game, it was packed, festive and all that.

Most Husker fans had to Google who Riley was. In my circle we didn’t like the hire but supported the team and hoped for the best. Riley’s Mr Rodger’s schtick plays well with a few- I really disliked it.

 

[dinglefritz]

Most Husker fans had to Google who Riley was. In my circle we didn’t like the hire but supported the team and hoped for the best. Riley’s Mr Rodger’s schtick plays well with a few- I really disliked it.

Ironically Riley was probably one of the smartest football minds we’ve had as a head coach recently. The guy knew his stuff but he was soooo lax with conditioning and practice. Weak recruiting structure and poor evaluation were problems along with a decimated roster from Bo’s tumultuous last two years. The ONE thing Bo left him was a QB. Then that moron Eichorst forced the DC change and a defense that Riley had never run before.

 

[Man Woman & Child]

From my point of view, off the field, Coach Rhule is the perfect Coach for Nebraska. On the field, it’s been an improvement but it’s not there yet.

Year 4 is a big one.

Wait, I thought year 3 was the big one? Now it's year 4? Does that mean if year 4 doesn't work out, year 5 will be his big year? What about 6?

 

[Man Woman & Child]

After Rhule was fired from the Panthers, he wanted to take a year off from coaching and relax while the Panthers still paid him. So Trev overpaid to hire a coach that didn't want to coach at the time.

This should have been a HUGE red flag for us all, but it's been largely under-discussed. Rhule was wearing that like some kind of badge of honor pretty much from day 1, along with the fact that his wife had to talk him into taking the job. And talked about it like we should all be impressed and grateful that he changed his mind and decided to come here. In hindsight, we should have all been disgusted and petrified. The guy had a foot out the door before he even got here and all but admitted it from the jump. That never works out. And this isn't either. Basic human nature and whatnot.

 

[SuperBigFan69]

Correct. Cigs is the epitome of calm and collected on the sidelines and the refs have no issue with him- if you watch an Indiana game- Cigs rarely says anything to the refs- but when he does they listen-are attentive. Thats how you work the refs to win games.

Epitome of calm.

 

[SuperBigFan69]

Dave, first off it is weird that you have named yourself after a coach that coaches 7 year olds...second...it is weirder that you almost never know what you are talking about.

 

[Man Woman & Child]

Epitome of calm.

Dude, you really want to get into a pissing contest (pun intended) about sideline behavior when defending Pelini?

 

[SuperBigFan69]

Dude, you really want to get into a pissing contest (pun intended) about sideline behavior when defending Pelini?

Sure, I don't really care.

I just want to know if that is the "epitome of calm"
Epitome is the "perfect example" of something, right?

So, in your mind is that the epitome of calm?


I don't care what coaches do on the sidelines as long as they win games. Cigs could smoke a pack of menthols during the game while yelling at the refs and drinking a beer. I would be totally happy with that.