The coaching carousel was pretty slim pickings at that time. We got the best coach available at the time.
Matt Rhule was the best available hire at the time
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But was he? Longest resume maybe. Appeared to have the most relevant success at program building or rebuilding maybe. Best available head coach? Maybe not. I said at the time that I was okay with reaching down to a lower division to bring up a young head coach. IMO our ADs have looked to satiate the desire of boosters for a splash hire. And yes, Bo was a splash hire to some boosters and fans. Rhule came with the Baylor success and an NFL term albeit without success. We gave him a huge contract which in my book rules him out as best available. He had done little to justify 8 million/year for 7 years.
Ugggg, the "program builder" thing is so lame.
Having one "good" season doesn't make you a program builder.
A lot of coaches mortgage years 1-3 hoping for a really good 4th year and a new gig or big raise.
It is what Fleck did but then realized he could not get out of Minny so he just stayed and is hoping that their fans, like iowa fans, are happy with never winning anything.
Having one "good" season doesn't make you a program builder.
A lot of coaches mortgage years 1-3 hoping for a really good 4th year and a new gig or big raise.
It is what Fleck did but then realized he could not get out of Minny so he just stayed and is hoping that their fans, like iowa fans, are happy with never winning anything.
We already reached down to a lower division to bring up an up and coming head coach (Scott Frost). Look at how that turned out.
Osborne made 188k for his 94 season which included a 50k bonus.
If Rhule was honest about his love for Nebraska and wanting to get us competitive- why not pony up 4 million of your 8 million salary contingent on another 15 million to be raised?
We would be at about 50 million- in the top 10 money wise
He would be a hero. His supposed love for the state and program would be real and more than hollow empty words.
Instead he looks like another greedy grifter making himself obese at the trough. Wouldn’t affect his lifestyle negatively at all.
If Rhule was honest about his love for Nebraska and wanting to get us competitive- why not pony up 4 million of your 8 million salary contingent on another 15 million to be raised?
We would be at about 50 million- in the top 10 money wise
He would be a hero. His supposed love for the state and program would be real and more than hollow empty words.
Instead he looks like another greedy grifter making himself obese at the trough. Wouldn’t affect his lifestyle negatively at all.
No, he was going to be on Rhule’s staff before the domestic situation.
Even if true, he fukcing blows now, so WTF were we doing tossing a few ten million more his way for an extension? Was he the best available when we did that?
Exactly. There was nothing wrong with the original hire. But there definitely was with the extension.
Dan Mullen was sitting at home so no
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It was a pretty ****** year looking back, the ones who turned out to be good weren't proven yet at the time
Klieman turned us down. Big mistake. K State has very little NIL from what I was told. I would have loved to see what he could have done with the resources we have here. He knocked off Texas and Oklahoma quite often, won big games, put a bunch of guys in the NFL. Good hard nosed coach who won everywhere he went. As the NIL thing unfolded, K State lost a bunch of good players to the portal and he knew he could no longer compete there.
bringing up *Saban to defend Matt Rhule is probably the dumbest angle you could take. try a different one
Cignetti was available. Obviously some of you would have lost your mind if we had reached that far down. NOBODY would have predicted the colossal failure Frost was. Vigen was available for a fraction of the cost of Rhule. I have zero doubt that Vigen could have matched Rhule’s win totals and I guarantee you Raiola wouldn’t have been his QB. I’m still going to try to support Rhule as long as I can but believe 7 wins is the ceiling this year with the schedule. We’ll see.
Logically the hire looked okay but the terms of the contract were ridiculous. The extension was insane. IMO one of the reasons Trev left was that he knew he had blown the Rhule hire and the pitchforks were soon to follow.
I think there are two different questions - Was he the best hire at the time? Or was he the best outcome we could've had?
As we've seen too many times at this point, hiring coaches usually means hiring someone who is kinda opposite from who you just fired. After Frost was a "young up and coming genius" hire who turned out to be clueless, immature, arrogant, and irresponsible, the natural impulse was to hire someone who seemed like a steady professional who had built up two programs in tough situations in the past and would be a good steward of the program. So in that sense, I think he was probably one of the best hires AT THE TIME. Was he the best outcome we could've had in retrospect? Of course not. I hope he can still turn out to be a success here though.
Klieman I believe also had underlying health issues that drove him to retire this past year from coaching.
The Rhule hire made sense. The Frost hire made sense. You never know how things will work out, you have to go with the data available. I think both were the logical decision at the time. Unfortunate that neither have seemed to work out so far.
Yes. In both cases the hires were fine at the time. The extensions were not.
Yeah...those "health issues" were being a crazy *** rich and not having to work. I hope I get diagnosed with that soon.
We should have done whatever it took to hire Urban. Sure seemed doable when he was in town for the Fox broadcast and publicly singing our praises. It was almost as if he was pushing for the job.
Nah. They would have lost their minds because of where he was coaching. The same guys on the warpath to fire Rhule would have gone ballistic if we had hired Cig back then.
I mean, he went out and got recorded while a girl sat on his lap...
Yet Frost was tearing up lincoln golf courses, was constantly getting hammered at dive bars in Lincoln (according to @davecisar and was constantly ******* girls that were not his wife...and not one single incident made it on a camera...
Meyer must just have some really bad luck.
That’s certainly not how he was coming across on air. He was openly gushing about us. I believe he called us a sleeping giant.
I guess he could have just been playing to the crowd or maybe trying to get himself a raise from Fox. But it sure felt like more than that to me at the time.
I just heard he was too controversial for us to pull the trigger. Although I’m not sure how close we actually were. And I don’t know how reliable that information was.
Why? Apparently, to dave, pay determines how much a coach actually loves the school they coach.
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But if he would’ve won, fans would let his "meaness" slide. You keep leaving that part out.
Also, what am I "defending" exactly?
If dave feels Saban should have also taken a pay cut, due to his (Saban's) love for Bama, then I'd commend dave for being consistent.
Oh 100%!
I didn't mean to leave it out...I was just saying that fans would not have liked him that much at first.
Is this some kind of moral victory OP?
In coaching terms, this is a bit like winning the tallest midget championship.
In coaching terms, this is a bit like winning the tallest midget championship.