Embarrassing Hawkeye Behavior - Really Pathetic

Torbee

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The Real Main Character: Moogy​

Honestly, by the end, the thread slowly mutates into:
The Moogy Experience.
Moogy becomes the gravitational center because:
  • he insists on moral seriousness,
  • cannot fully recognize when irony has overtaken the room,
  • and repeatedly attempts nuanced discourse in a feral environment.
This makes him simultaneously:
  • more intelligent than many posters,
  • and catastrophically mismatched to the ecosystem.
He wants standards in a digital swamp fight.
That creates endless comedic tension.

Which Cohort Had More Rhetorical Firepower?​

Clemson Core​

The Clemson regulars had:
  • territorial advantage,
  • existing social alliances,
  • deeper lore,
  • better understanding of local hierarchy.
But many of them rely on:
  • repetition,
  • insult cycling,
  • political shorthand,
  • identity signaling.
Their style is:
entrenched local bar regulars.
High comfort level.
Medium creativity.

Iowa/HROT Migrants​

The Iowa cohort brought:
  • chaos energy,
  • irony fluency,
  • meme acceleration,
  • willingness to derail,
  • faster improvisation,
  • higher tolerance for absurdity.
They fight more like:
internet nomads.
The Clemson board feels older, more territorial, more static.
The Iowa/HROT posters feel culturally shaped by years of surviving hyperactive off-topic board warfare.

Verdict​

The Iowa contingent had more rhetorical firepower overall.
Not because they were more correct.
Because they were:
  • less emotionally attached to the space,
  • more irony-poisoned,
  • more adaptive,
  • and more willing to turn everything into a bit.
That matters enormously online.
The Clemson regulars often argued like:
“This is our community.”
The Iowa migrants argued like:
“Communities are temporary hallucinations. Let’s see what happens if we set this one on fire.”
That style tends to dominate internet ecosystems unless heavily moderated.

Most Interesting Dynamic​

The most fascinating thing:
By the end, several Clemson regulars begin partially assimilating into HROT-style posting.
You can literally watch cultural contagion happen in real time:
  • shitposting cadence changes,
  • absurdist humor increases,
  • topic derailments become normalized,
  • hostility becomes more performative than sincere.
This is basically digital anthropology of migration and acculturation.
A sports board population transfer created:
  • border panic,
  • cultural conflict,
  • hybridization,
  • and eventual meme integration.
It’s absurd.
But also kind of beautiful.
 
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The Real Main Character: Moogy​

Honestly, by the end, the thread slowly mutates into:

Moogy becomes the gravitational center because:
  • he insists on moral seriousness,
  • cannot fully recognize when irony has overtaken the room,
  • and repeatedly attempts nuanced discourse in a feral environment.
This makes him simultaneously:
  • more intelligent than many posters,
  • and catastrophically mismatched to the ecosystem.
He wants standards in a digital swamp fight.
That creates endless comedic tension.

Which Cohort Had More Rhetorical Firepower?​

Clemson Core​

The Clemson regulars had:
  • territorial advantage,
  • existing social alliances,
  • deeper lore,
  • better understanding of local hierarchy.
But many of them rely on:
  • repetition,
  • insult cycling,
  • political shorthand,
  • identity signaling.
Their style is:

High comfort level.
Medium creativity.

Iowa/HROT Migrants​

The Iowa cohort brought:
  • chaos energy,
  • irony fluency,
  • meme acceleration,
  • willingness to derail,
  • faster improvisation,
  • higher tolerance for absurdity.
They fight more like:

The Clemson board feels older, more territorial, more static.
The Iowa/HROT posters feel culturally shaped by years of surviving hyperactive off-topic board warfare.

Verdict​

The Iowa contingent had more rhetorical firepower overall.
Not because they were more correct.
Because they were:
  • less emotionally attached to the space,
  • more irony-poisoned,
  • more adaptive,
  • and more willing to turn everything into a bit.
That matters enormously online.
The Clemson regulars often argued like:

The Iowa migrants argued like:

That style tends to dominate internet ecosystems unless heavily moderated.

Most Interesting Dynamic​

The most fascinating thing:
By the end, several Clemson regulars begin partially assimilating into HROT-style posting.
You can literally watch cultural contagion happen in real time:
  • shitposting cadence changes,
  • absurdist humor increases,
  • topic derailments become normalized,
  • hostility becomes more performative than sincere.
This is basically digital anthropology of migration and acculturation.
A sports board population transfer created:
  • border panic,
  • cultural conflict,
  • hybridization,
  • and eventual meme integration.
It’s absurd.
But also kind of beautiful.
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Torbee

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Not even close. Wrestling is #2. That you do not know this explains everything. Furthermore, you don't have wrestlers without Pennsylvania. You are clueless.
You're an idiot.

At Iowa, sports fandom is #1 football, #2 women's basketball, #3 men's basketball with wrestling a niche, distant 4th. More popular than most states, but still quite niche.
 
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You're an idiot.

At Iowa, sports fandom is #1 football, #2 women's basketball, #3 men's basketball with wrestling a niche, distant 4th. More popular than most states, but still quite niche.
You are not wrong with regard to #4. I don't even fully understand how the scoring works in wrestling and IDGAF. However, you had #2 and #3 correct until no later than March Madness. To me, men's basketball is now clearly #2, regardless of tickets purchased last year, and looks to be creating even more separation going forward.
 

Torbee

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You are not wrong with regard to #4. I don't even fully understand how the scoring works in wrestling and IDGAF. However, you had #2 and #3 correct until no later than March Madness. To me, men's basketball is now clearly #2, regardless of tickets purchased last year, and looks to be creating even more separation going forward.
I also hope those two flip, as I am a mens basketball season ticket holder. Next year will be interesting to see from an attendance standpoint.
 
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Moogy

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No, when PSU faked injuries to try to disrupt the game, some fans booed and PSU fans got butthurt.
Why are you lying, or otherwise attempting to speak about something with which you aren't familiar? Yes, when a PSU player got legitimately hurt, an Iowa coach flopped to the ground, mocking him. And a huge number of Iowa fans were booing - as in, it sounded like the entirety of the stands were booing (even though, obviously, I'm guessing not literally everyone was booing - it was just substantial).

And it was a ridiculously stupid assertion because a number of PSU players were injured and didn't return (including our starting QB - and we were dominating up until that point - and one of our best defensive players), Iowa's offense was absolutely horrendous up until late in the game, and Iowa doesn't run tempo, so there was zero reason to attempt to slow anything down.

But, other than that, you nailed it.

That's the story, @Tenacious E_rivals41982



Why associate yourself with the trashy pieces of **** who did this? Why not just try to be a normal person and say "it wasn't right ... I don't defend it ... but it's not indicative of me, or Iowa fans, generally?" or something a normal, functional person might say?
 

Torbee

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Why are you lying, or otherwise attempting to speak about something with which you aren't familiar? Yes, when a PSU player got legitimately hurt, an Iowa coach flopped to the ground, mocking him. And a huge number of Iowa fans were booing - as in, it sounded like the entirety of the stands were booing (even though, obviously, I'm guessing not literally everyone was booing - it was just substantial).

And it was a ridiculously stupid assertion because a number of PSU players were injured and didn't return (including our starting QB - and we were dominating up until that point - and one of our best defensive players), Iowa's offense was absolutely horrendous up until late in the game, and Iowa doesn't run tempo, so there was zero reason to attempt to slow anything down.

But, other than that, you nailed it.

That's the story, @Tenacious E_rivals41982


I was at the game, lol.

PSU kept faking injuries.

One guy might have *actually* been injured and still got booed. Too bad, so sad. Don't fake injuries then whine when one of your players actually has a real one.

And to act like this doesn't happe in college football stadiums across the country constantly is the height of disengenousness.

PSU fans are as trashy as they come in person - I've seen it first hand.
 

Moogy

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I was at the game, lol.

PSU kept faking injuries.

One guy might have *actually* been injured and still got booed. Too bad, so sad. Don't fake injuries then whine when one of your players actually has a real one.

And to act like this doesn't happe in college football stadiums across the country constantly is the height of disengenousness.

PSU fans are as trashy as they come in person - I've seen it first hand.

Ah, so you're trash. That's all you had to say.



Are you the pig boy mockingly grabbing his shoulder in this video?
 

Torbee

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Why are you lying, or otherwise attempting to speak about something with which you aren't familiar? Yes, when a PSU player got legitimately hurt, an Iowa coach flopped to the ground, mocking him. And a huge number of Iowa fans were booing - as in, it sounded like the entirety of the stands were booing (even though, obviously, I'm guessing not literally everyone was booing - it was just substantial).

And it was a ridiculously stupid assertion because a number of PSU players were injured and didn't return (including our starting QB - and we were dominating up until that point - and one of our best defensive players), Iowa's offense was absolutely horrendous up until late in the game, and Iowa doesn't run tempo, so there was zero reason to attempt to slow anything down.

But, other than that, you nailed it.

That's the story, @Tenacious E_rivals41982



Why associate yourself with the trashy pieces of **** who did this? Why not just try to be a normal person and say "it wasn't right ... I don't defend it ... but it's not indicative of me, or Iowa fans, generally?" or something a normal, functional person might say?

Iowa coach Kirk Ferentz said that while some Penn State players injured in Saturday's game had legitimate ailments, he understands why Hawkeyes fans booed when other Nittany Lions players went down.

Ferentz on Tuesday noted that Penn State quarterback Sean Clifford did not return to the game after leaving early in the second quarter and that he could see another Nittany Lions player on the bench with an ice bag on his leg.

"I hope those guys are well, I don't know what their status is," Ferentz said. "Nobody wants to see anybody get hurt. But I think probably [the booing] is a reaction to, there were a couple of guys that were down for the count and then were back a play or two later. Our fans aren't stupid. They're watching, they know what's going on.

"I've been here 23 years and I think that's only the second time we've seen that kind of stuff going on."

 

Torbee

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Ah, so you're trash. That's all you had to say.



Are you the pig boy mockingly grabbing his shoulder in this video?

Nope. I can smell a RAT though.


"We don't coach it, haven't really been exposed to it," Ferentz said. "But our fans thought they smelled a rat, I guess, I don't know, so they responded the way they responded."
 

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Iowa coach Kirk Ferentz said that while some Penn State players injured in Saturday's game had legitimate ailments, he understands why Hawkeyes fans booed when other Nittany Lions players went down.

Ferentz on Tuesday noted that Penn State quarterback Sean Clifford did not return to the game after leaving early in the second quarter and that he could see another Nittany Lions player on the bench with an ice bag on his leg.

"I hope those guys are well, I don't know what their status is," Ferentz said. "Nobody wants to see anybody get hurt. But I think probably [the booing] is a reaction to, there were a couple of guys that were down for the count and then were back a play or two later. Our fans aren't stupid. They're watching, they know what's going on.

"I've been here 23 years and I think that's only the second time we've seen that kind of stuff going on."


Yes, we already know you're trash.

Me: Were you one of those who thought it was cool to mock PSU players for suffering season-ending injuries a little while back? Should I lump you in with those psychos (including at least one coach) if you weren’t?

Tenacious: What is that about? Not familiar. An Iowa coach mocked PSU players suffering injuries?

You: No, when PSU faked injuries to try to disrupt the game, some fans booed and PSU fans got butthurt.

I showed the video where an Iowa coach, in fact, mocked the injuries ... so, you lied. An Iowa coach, in fact, mocked PSU players suffering injuries.
Now go be trash.
 
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Yes, we already know you're trash.

Me: Were you one of those who thought it was cool to mock PSU players for suffering season-ending injuries a little while back? Should I lump you in with those psychos (including at least one coach) if you weren’t?

Tenacious: What is that about? Not familiar. An Iowa coach mocked PSU players suffering injuries?

You: No, when PSU faked injuries to try to disrupt the game, some fans booed and PSU fans got butthurt.

I showed the video where an Iowa coach, in fact, mocked the injuries ... so, you lied. An Iowa coach, in fact, mocked PSU players suffering injuries.
Now go be trash.
I just don't see why everyone is getting so worked up over this. Either side.
 
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Moogy

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I just don't see why everyone is getting so worked up over this. Either side.

Who is getting worked up?


If I see a very bright, very hot object in the sky during the day, I'll say "that's the sun."

If someone says "that's not the sun," I'll explain to him or her why it's the sun. If they don't listen to reason, I'll call them dumb.

I won't be worked up about it at all.
 
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Who is getting worked up?
You and Torbee, based upon the ink spilled. Here's my take:
  • Iowa fans thought PSU players were faking injuries and booed in 2021. One player had a serious injury. Iowa won, but PSU took it personally.
  • PSU used 2021 as motivation for the next meeting in 2023. PSU won handily.
  • The end.
 

Moogy

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You are not wrong with regard to #4. I don't even fully understand how the scoring works in wrestling and IDGAF. However, you had #2 and #3 correct until no later than March Madness. To me, men's basketball is now clearly #2, regardless of tickets purchased last year, and looks to be creating even more separation going forward.

How are you judging "fandom"?

According to recent average attendance figures (and, obviously, this is affected by stadium capacity, but whatevs), football is a runaway #1, with women's hoops barely edging out men's rasslin', with men's hoops a very distant 4th (in terms of actual attendance, not tickets sold). Of course, women's hoops benefitted from the Clark buzz, so we'll see how long that lasts after her departure, but I think rasslin has steadily been around that level. Over a longer-term lookback, I think it's football then men's hoops and rasslin' pretty much tied, with women's hoops a distant 4th. Short-term, you guys appear to be fairweather in most sports, showing up in droves whenever there's a winner, and otherwise mostly staying home, so which sport will be most popular going forward is TBD.

That actually surprised me, when I looked it up ... I would have thought every college sport would be jam-packed all the time, given that there isn't anything else to do out there. Then again, when it comes to Iowa cultural/entertainment options, I'm admittedly pretty ignorant.
 

Moogy

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You and Torbee, based upon the ink spilled. Here's my take:
  • Iowa fans thought PSU players were faking injuries and booed in 2021. One player had a serious injury. Iowa won, but PSU took it personally.
  • PSU used 2021 as motivation for the next meeting in 2023. PSU won handily.
  • The end.

As I already said, fans will be awful. It's expected. Many of them are trash, generally. Many of them become trash when they've been drinking and they're in a mob mentality situation. It is what it is. The main issue I had was the coach who flopped and mocked an injured player, and anyone who didn't just acknowledge the bad behavior afterward, but justified it and still tried to make it about the opposition. But I'm not worked about it. Trash is trash.
 
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AFM22

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How are you judging "fandom"?

According to recent average attendance figures (and, obviously, this is affected by stadium capacity, but whatevs), football is a runaway #1, with women's hoops barely edging out men's rasslin', with men's hoops a very distant 4th (in terms of actual attendance, not tickets sold). Of course, women's hoops benefitted from the Clark buzz, so we'll see how long that lasts after her departure, but I think rasslin has steadily been around that level. Over a longer-term lookback, I think it's football then men's hoops and rasslin' pretty much tied, with women's hoops a distant 4th. Short-term, you guys appear to be fairweather in most sports, showing up in droves whenever there's a winner, and otherwise mostly staying home, so which sport will be most popular going forward is TBD.

That actually surprised me, when I looked it up ... I would have thought every college sport would be jam-packed all the time, given that there isn't anything else to do out there. Then again, when it comes to Iowa cultural/entertainment options, I'm admittedly pretty ignorant.
Wrestling has a ton of support, much more support than about anyone in the country. It's still not as much as the women's team since about Clark's Junior year.

The men's team has a lot of support but apathy from the last few years of McCaffery. After the E8 run people are really excited about them again and donations show that. They're just waiting on Caitlin Clark to make a public statement congratulation them.
 

McLovin32

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Wrestling has a ton of support, much more support than about anyone in the country. It's still not as much as the women's team since about Clark's Junior year.

The men's team has a lot of support but apathy from the last few years of McCaffery. After the E8 run people are really excited about them again and donations show that. They're just waiting on Caitlin Clark to make a public statement congratulation them.
Yeah, it didn't take long for ol McCollum to bring some life back to the program.
 
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How are you judging "fandom"?

According to recent average attendance figures (and, obviously, this is affected by stadium capacity, but whatevs), football is a runaway #1, with women's hoops barely edging out men's rasslin', with men's hoops a very distant 4th (in terms of actual attendance, not tickets sold). Of course, women's hoops benefitted from the Clark buzz, so we'll see how long that lasts after her departure, but I think rasslin has steadily been around that level. Over a longer-term lookback, I think it's football then men's hoops and rasslin' pretty much tied, with women's hoops a distant 4th. Short-term, you guys appear to be fairweather in most sports, showing up in droves whenever there's a winner, and otherwise mostly staying home, so which sport will be most popular going forward is TBD.

That actually surprised me, when I looked it up ... I would have thought every college sport would be jam-packed all the time, given that there isn't anything else to do out there. Then again, when it comes to Iowa cultural/entertainment options, I'm admittedly pretty ignorant.
I never watched a women's game in my life until Caitlin's junior year. Then we never missed a game and we watch her fever games. For our family, we still watched the women after Caitlin left, but with each season the interest waned a bit. We are pretty typical for the people we know, but undeniably, the women are still a draw on tv, and they pack Carver for game day. But the men just made the elite 8 and the excitement is there, after Fran overstayed his welcome and apathy set in. While people may pack Carver for wrestling, not many people really watch it on tv. it is a niche sport and no where near #2 in Iowa.

Now as to your claim that Iowa fans are "fair weather," remind me how many times the PSU men and women's basketball teams have sold out their arena with 800K+ alumni and 42K undergrad enrollment. I will hang up and listen.
 

AFM22

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Of course, women's hoops benefitted from the Clark buzz, so we'll see how long that lasts after her departure
They've sold out season tickets the last 2 years and are looking to have a preseason top 10 team in 2026.
 

Torbee

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Yes, we already know you're trash.

Me: Were you one of those who thought it was cool to mock PSU players for suffering season-ending injuries a little while back? Should I lump you in with those psychos (including at least one coach) if you weren’t?

Tenacious: What is that about? Not familiar. An Iowa coach mocked PSU players suffering injuries?

You: No, when PSU faked injuries to try to disrupt the game, some fans booed and PSU fans got butthurt.

I showed the video where an Iowa coach, in fact, mocked the injuries ... so, you lied. An Iowa coach, in fact, mocked PSU players suffering injuries.
Now go be trash.
Ask 1000 college football fans who is a more ethical and truthful coach - Kirk Ferentz or James Franklin and 900-plus will say Kirk Ferentz.

You believe shady James, that’s on you.

If KF said they were faking - they were faking.
 

Torbee

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You and Torbee, based upon the ink spilled. Here's my take:
  • Iowa fans thought PSU players were faking injuries and booed in 2021. One player had a serious injury. Iowa won, but PSU took it personally.
  • PSU used 2021 as motivation for the next meeting in 2023. PSU won handily.
  • The end.
Me?

it’s a game from 4 years ago and KF called PSU out for shenanigans. He’s been around the game awhile so he should be listened to.

I really just find it funny some PsU fan is still redassed about it - particularly when it’s obvious PSU was faking.
 

AFM22

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Me?

it’s a game from 4 years ago and KF called PSU out for shenanigans. He’s been around the game awhile so he should be listened to.

I really just find it funny some PsU fan is still redassed about it - particularly when it’s obvious PSU was faking.
I just don't understand how they could lose to Brian Ferentz and Spencer Petras unless they were truly all injured.
 
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Me?

it’s a game from 4 years ago and KF called PSU out for shenanigans. He’s been around the game awhile so he should be listened to.

I really just find it funny some PsU fan is still redassed about it - particularly when it’s obvious PSU was faking.
I am just trying to be even-handed. Frankly, I never realized before the other day that PSU was clinging to this hatred. I was taken aback by it, because I didn't even remember it being a thing.