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Perd Hapley

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It’s wasn’t Half it was substantial but wasnt close to 30MM. I know what you’re trying to do as you have every single time we discuss finances. You go for the total negative take and discredit every single good news when it comes to fundraising.
Then how much was it, exactly? Provide link, or STFU.

And, regardless of however much it was, will he be donating that same amount EVERY year, and putting future donations towards NIL, or is this a one time deal?

Just like when I said we had around 30MM in NIL for last year. you scoffed at it until it was the talking points from others including podcasters .
LOL. Again, please provide credible link.
We had sonewhere around $30 million TOTAL (maybe less) that was available for football, between NIL and the revenue share.

The revenue share portion is $15 million, and, for the millionth time, that is NOT NIL. Everybody has it. That $15 million is the new version of “85 scholarships” for P4 programs.

The remaining $15 million (at most) that we actually had for NIL is an absolutely pathetic number for an SEC program. And, honestly, that’s totally fine by me, as I do not in any way support this crap. But the reality is we do not have what is needed to compete.

. We had a record last year of 7 and 8 figure donations why can’t our fans see this and have a sense of pride instead of trying to discredit it.
Because of two reasons:

1) Everyone else is getting record donations too….every year….since there’s now a direct path to buying wins.

2) We are not taking said path, nor are we wisely investing what we are receiving, due to a joke of a coaching staff.
 

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Then how much was it, exactly? Provide link, or STFU.

And, regardless of however much it was, will he be donating that same amount EVERY year, and putting future donations towards NIL, or is this a one time deal?


LOL. Again, please provide credible link.
We had sonewhere around $30 million TOTAL (maybe less) that was available for football, between NIL and the revenue share.

The revenue share portion is $15 million, and, for the millionth time, that is NOT NIL. Everybody has it. That $15 million is the new version of “85 scholarships” for P4 programs.

The remaining $15 million (at most) that we actually had for NIL is an absolutely pathetic number for an SEC program. And, honestly, that’s totally fine by me, as I do not in any way support this crap. But the reality is we do not have what is needed to compete.


Because of two reasons:

1) Everyone else is getting record donations too….every year….since there’s now a direct path to buying wins.

2) We are not taking said path, nor are we wisely investing what we are receiving, due to a joke of a coaching staff.
How about you STFU.
You are one of the worst fans in here. All you do is write some lengthy BS jargon that you think is smart and makes you look intelligent but it doesn’t it just shows your ignorance. By your “logic” yes we had around 15MM in REV share and added to that from donations and like to get to over 30MM…. that’s still a substantial amount of money and gets us in a very very competitive position. You know what JA!! This also means that Ohio state lsu and whomever else that are at 40MM has the exact same 15MM but added another 20-25MM in NIL. No one including me has ever said we are the same position as Ohio state Michigan or others. But 30MM for NIL, a top half of the league in donations and funding for facilities puts a lot of your logic and others out of business. God forbid we do something positive with athletics, no posters like you live to just 17n be negative. What moron post negative **** on a message board of a school they support?? Plus why do you care it’s not like you go to games definitely ain’t giving ****. I bet you didn’t even attend MSU. So Perd it’s you who needs to STF up.
 
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How about you STFU.
You are one of the worst fans in here. All you do is write some lengthy BS jargon that you think is smart and makes you look intelligent but it doesn’t it just shows your ignorance. By your “logic” yes we had around 15MM in REV share and added to that from donations and like to get to over 30MM…. that’s still a substantial amount of money and gets us in a very very competitive position. You know what JA!! This also means that Ohio state lsu and whomever else that are at 40MM has the exact same 15MM but added another 20-25MM in NIL. No one including me has ever said we are the same position as Ohio state Michigan or others. But 30MM for NIL, a top half of the league in donations and funding for facilities puts a lot of your logic and others out of business. God forbid we do something positive with athletics, no posters like you live to just 17n be negative. What moron post negative **** on a message board of a school they support?? Plus why do you care it’s not like you go to games definitely ain’t giving ****. I bet you didn’t even attend MSU. So Perd it’s you who needs to STF up.
So either you don’t know how much the 1-time donation was or you don’t want to admit how much it was. We do know that it was enough to get his name on the facility. So at least half of the $60 million is a pretty good bet.
 
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If we aren't hopefully behind in NIL donations, then Lebby's strongest argument ("it's not like anyone else would do any better here!") is discredited.
 
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If we aren't hopefully behind in NIL donations, then Lebby's strongest argument ("it's not like anyone else would do any better here!") is discredited.
Look it again it’s for PY 24-25. In other words it’s last year when we actually started getting or par with NIL and funding. Not discounting Lebbys year one but, Lebbys first year with actual money to spend we finished 5-8 and has an opportunity at three other wins. You have to look at this number through that lens. The 2-10 year of 24 was always going to be rough year no matter who the coach was. The talent and NIL situation was abysmal. Maybe another coach could have won 1 or two more games but people don’t understand how bad our roster was in 24.
All that said he has to win 7 this year
 

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How about you STFU.
You are one of the worst fans in here. All you do is write some lengthy BS jargon that you think is smart and makes you look intelligent but it doesn’t it just shows your ignorance.
Sooooooo……you don’t know the donation amount.

By your “logic” yes we had around 15MM in REV share and added to that from donations and like to get to over 30MM…. that’s still a substantial amount of money and gets us in a very very competitive position.
LOL. No, it doesn’t. You continue to not understand this. None of the reported NIL amounts from any schools (no matter the source) includes the revenue share number. None of them. Because revenue share is not NIL.

You know what JA!! This also means that Ohio state lsu and whomever else that are at 40MM has the exact same 15MM but added another 20-25MM in NIL.
No, it doesn’t. Again, for the one millionth + 1 time, It means they have $40MM in NIL. Just NIL. Then they have another $15MM from revenue share. So, $55MM total, compared to our $30MM. Almost double the investment. That’s how big the gap is.

No one including me has ever said we are the same position as Ohio state Michigan or others. But 30MM for NIL, a top half of the league in donations and funding for facilities puts a lot of your logic and others out of business.
We. Do. Not. Have. $30MM. In. NIL.

Jesus.

God forbid we do something positive with athletics, no posters like you live to just 17n be negative. What moron post negative **** on a message board of a school they support?? Plus why do you care it’s not like you go to games definitely ain’t giving ****. I bet you didn’t even attend MSU. So Perd it’s you who needs to STF up.
I know. I’m pagan…..just pagan.

www.genespage.com

You’ll find the echo chamber you so desperately seek there.
 
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Would receiving $60 million in athletic donations in a calendar year to ascend to middle of the pack in potential NIL funds, but then squandering half of it on something like this below qualify as “mismanaging of capital”?

If howard donated the money specifically for the indoor facility then how was it mismanaged?
 

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Don’t try to argue with dumbest most ignorant people within the MSU fan base. Sixpackspeak.
Can I ask something? I am in with those guys that do not agree with you. Am I dumb and ignorant as well? I think it is kind of a bad look to call anyone that does not agree with you dumb.
 

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Sooooooo……you don’t know the donation amount.


LOL. No, it doesn’t. You continue to not understand this. None of the reported NIL amounts from any schools (no matter the source) includes the revenue share number. None of them. Because revenue share is not NIL.


No, it doesn’t. Again, for the one millionth + 1 time, It means they have $40MM in NIL. Just NIL. Then they have another $15MM from revenue share. So, $55MM total, compared to our $30MM. Almost double the investment. That’s how big the gap is.


We. Do. Not. Have. $30MM. In. NIL.

Jesus.


I know. I’m pagan…..just pagan.

www.genespage.com

You’ll find the echo chamber you so desperately seek there.
Tell me how ignorant you are about NIl and Rev share without telling me your ignorant about nil and Rev share


 
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Can I ask something? I am in with those guys that do not agree with you. Am I dumb and ignorant as well? I think it is kind of a bad look to call anyone that does not agree with you dumb.
Here’s my beef… it’s an article that paints MSU in a positive light amongst our peers yet we have page and post after post down playing the article. We have posters looking under every rock to describe and discredit said article. If that’s not dumb then I don’t know what it’s. Same posters are over in other threads b!tchin about we never get positive press and articles. Now you tell me what looks dumb.
 

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Can I ask something? I am in with those guys that do not agree with you. Am I dumb and ignorant as well? I think it is kind of a bad look to call anyone that does not agree with you dumb.
What do you disagree with?

The original post basically said Zac Selmon is good at fundraising.

Its pretty damn hard to disagree with that based on all of the evidence.
 

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So Texas has $25 million in NIL compared to our maybe $15 million. 40% more than we have now…..just to go 9-3 and lose to Florida.

What are you trying to prove with this?
You said they had 15MM plus 40MM which once again was incorrect. Your trying your damndest to make us look bad for what reason…
 

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It's a bit more of a 2-way street than that. A good AD will convince the donor what the best use of the money is.
Right, so Selmon should’ve “convinced” all of the baseball donors to earmark their money for football?