None of these "injuries" people gives Cal an out for Poythress in 2015. Hypocrisy at its finest.
Why is this board so hateful and anti UK
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We are paying Moreno- in my estimation- late 1st money. He’s set to be featured.
Only BBN wylin’ out would keep Moreno from
Coming back imo.
Don’t wyl ya’ll.
Currently tied for 30th in title odds, tied with juggernauts Baylor, Texas A&M, and Purdue. Last year, they were top 10 in title odds to start the season. +6500 odds overall. Just pathetic for a blue blood.
- That 33% 3 point shooting is going to SCARE people, I tell you. Guy had a losing season leading a B10 school with good talent. He's gonna be a winning player at a pressure cooker surrounded by LESS talent?
- Has more potential than Chandler. Guys gotta remember he played at FURMAN. Pump the brakes on the hall of fame BS. I believe his career trajectory will follow Max Abmas moreso than CJ McCollum.
- Yes -- just hope he doesn't go to the draft
- LMAO (not laughing at you personally)-- all 4 guys mentioned here suck.
- Another laughable belief
- This is the best hope. If Hawthorne can realize his potential, team has a shot to win a few games and be competitive.
- You're absolutely correct on the black hole for go-to scorer, and nobody close to filling that void.
The current horrendous luck with injuries did begin under Cal. I wasn't one who lost my mind and demanded Cal's removal. Cal's last 2 schedules were not even close to as difficult as the two Pope has played. His first two schedules average a 13.5 difficulty rating vs. 7.77 for Cal's last two.
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You can provide all the advanced stats, data, and injury excuses. However, he was the one that constructed the roster. You also can't use those excuses as to why he's never accomplished anything at any of his other stops. That data gives no encouragement for the upcoming season.The current horrendous luck with injuries did begin under Cal. I wasn't one who lost my mind and demanded Cal's removal. Cal's last 2 schedules were not even close to as difficult as the two Pope has played. His first two schedules average a 13.5 difficulty rating vs. 7.77 for Cal's last two.
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I know to you this sounds completely sound, but it’s all excuses at the end of the day. Mark Pope was brought in to win immediately, fact. Mark Pope was brought in to FIX the Calipari mess, not create new ones, fact. Mark Pope assembled the roster and Mark Pope evaluated the roster with the idea in mind that he’s here to win championships, fact.The current horrendous luck with injuries did begin under Cal. I wasn't one who lost my mind and demanded Cal's removal. Cal's last 2 schedules were not even close to as difficult as the two Pope has played. His first two schedules average a 13.5 difficulty rating vs. 7.77 for Cal's last two.
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All coaches deal with injuries. Teams have won championships and gone to final fours with major injuries. Mark Pope was brought in to end the final four drought, not complain that “this is hard” which is essentially what you’re doing. When he was hired, he said he’s here to hand banners. I must have missed the part where he said “maybe in 5 years, if all goes perfectly, if the schedule is not difficult”. This is all you making up another standard. If it’s hard for Kentucky it should be TERRIFYING to everyone else. But some of them don’t seem to have the same problem. Why is that?
Mark Pope doesn’t have the record past or present to be the head coach at UK, fact. All of this other stuff is excuses and noise in attempt to divert attention away from his inability to add up to the Kentucky job. This isn’t a positive or negative thing, this is about objectivity. And mark pope is objectively NOT cut out of this job and doesn’t deserve to have it. That is a fact.
Anybody who knows basketball? I love when people say that. Okay, Mr. basketball prodigy, what makes you think Pope can get not 1 but 2 stars when he’s yet to do it in 3 years? Keep burying your head in the sand.
lmao. We only need Kobe and Shaq to be good. Hush up. Pope hasn’t proved he can land 1 stud, let alone 2.
And I’ve been a UK fan longer than you had berries on your twig. Buster.
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Okay. Tennessee, Auburn, Florida and Alabama in 24-25 had similar schedules and finished with single digit losses. No more excuses for pope. I only accept accountabilityThe current horrendous luck with injuries did begin under Cal. I wasn't one who lost my mind and demanded Cal's removal. Cal's last 2 schedules were not even close to as difficult as the two Pope has played. His first two schedules average a 13.5 difficulty rating vs. 7.77 for Cal's last two.
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Anything critical of Pope = 
"Hateful & Anti-UK"
"Hateful & Anti-UK"
Exa
Example. I'll say my opinion like "Pope should have been fired already". Poster comes at me telling me to stfu I would rather be right that Pope isn't the man for the job than for Pope to succeed..... And it's like naaaaa the man clearly isn't cut out for the job..it's not about me being right or wrong. UK sucks. It's not about hate. It's about truth. Pope isn't it. I don't have to like the guy. Matter of fact he's making me hate him. But I haven't been super hateful. I might of called him a dork or something but come on now the man is taking Kentucky to New Lows.
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Jerk waters? I feel like that something my grandmother would have said. I’m gonna need a definition please.
because in our 1st preseason ranking we are outside the top 40.
whether that speculation or not...
seems accurate from all the success Mark Pope has had in the off season.
whether that speculation or not...
seems accurate from all the success Mark Pope has had in the off season.
I agree. Being a person who isn’t negative minded takes some thick skin around here.
I was insulted the other day for being level headed and daring to say I didn’t think the roster was as bad as most are saying (but still
isn’t elite).
The saying misery loves company is true around here in leaner times. I am not pleased with how last year went and how this offseason has gone. I also have zero authority to make changes at UK. I will let it play out and if the 2027 season goes as many expect, we get a new coach next March/April.
Kicking and screaming about it for a calendar year won’t make it happen faster.
Maybe you haven't been hateful and negative and childish,but others have. And they have done it on every thread...ruining any legit conversation by posting the same negative,hateful, childish, ignorant, uninformed bs over and over and over and over and over .... annoying right...and over and over again. It's ruined any hope of actually having a conversation about anything on here .
That last two seasons while disappointing are not new lows.
I agree. Extreme embellishment should be viewed as a character/honesty issue. You can think Pope is failing as a coach without having to say that he “has been worse than Billy Gillispie.” It is just like that post by TriCountyCat where the guy posted about eight false points in a single post, was shown to be wrong with facts, yet still felt he was “correct” afterward. The reason is many people don’t care about honesty — they care about their “side” winning. It’s sad. Such is the way of most interactions online, not just here, but generally.
I had trepidation about being honest about my disbelief in Pope because I didn’t want to “side” with the people who do that type of thing. The rampant dishonesty makes their “side” look more incorrect than convincing.
Ultimately, though if I didn’t say it so that people know, I’d have felt like a fraud.
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Actually yes. Finishing 9th In the SEC for the first time in history is a new low sir.
It’s a message board bro. Quit trying to police the internet. You will never win. Or keep crying bout it.
Not to mention the worst tournament loss uk history. Iowa State
"I know to you this sounds completely sound, but it’s all excuses at the end of the day"
That is because it is completely sound. Do you ever allow for distinction between legitimate fact and "just excuses"?
"All coaches deal with injuries. Teams have won championships and gone to final fours with major injuries. Mark Pope was brought in to end the final four drought, not complain that “this is hard” which is essentially what you’re doing. When he was hired, he said he’s here to hand banners. I must have missed the part where he said “maybe in 5 years, if all goes perfectly, if the schedule is not difficult”. This is all you making up another standard"
Teams going on to final fours and winning titles after losing key players is definitely closer to rare exception than the norm. How did Pitino (one of the best ever) do after losing Rodney Dent? I have repeatedly said the last two seasons were disappointing and we need to get this turned around. I have never tried to reset the standard by claiming this to be good enough. All I have done is point out that the failure has been exaggerated and provided some reasons as to why that is the case. I have said these are not the only issues and we must improve going forward.
There are other coaches that have had less credentials coming into their jobs and shown less promise after two years at their position before going on to outstanding careers. I can understand you saying that what you have seen hasn't given you much faith but to claim to know he will never do better is your opinion as opposed to the absolute fact you claim it to be short of an ability to see the future.
I'm flabbergasted at the ones saying otherwise. Very odd. I'm assuming they are saying some of the things they say just to get a laugh. Which is ok
And Arkansas swallows...
I won’t even play these back and forth games with you. Too high. Okay. You win. Cal Univeristy is the best. Where is Arkansas in all of that though? And you have been 1 round farther and you are rooting your horn? I forgot what little basketball success actually looks like. Congrats on the S16’s, I guess? **** if I know.
Mind you we are trying to fire our coach and he has pretty much the same record and you all are praising yours. Lmao.
It was actually tied for 7th and UK got the worst of an unbalanced conference schedule. The nuance and factors involved have been explained here numerous times. There were only 10-12 teams in the SEC from 1941-2012. We were 10-8 in SEC play. UK has finished .500 or below in conference 8 times. For one example of a much lower finish UK finished 18th in the Southern Conference one year. Conference play is far from the only measure anyway.
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He's one of those types that needs a "Caution: Hot" warning on their coffee cup.
I definitely consider Oakland a much worse loss. Largest point differential and worst loss are not the same thing. It is not actually largest differential ever either but equaled the largest since 1972. UK lost by 24 to WKU in 1971.
uk has to stop this pope circus
I think your bullet points are cautiously optimistic and I do not argue with them. Like you, I am hoping for the best in an injury-free season. But, having said that, do you see this team, as currently constructed, being better, worse or about the same as last year's team ?? With better balance in scoring, I can see them maybe a little better, but I think we still need a quality back-up Center, a powerful rebounder and another super-legit shooter. Defensively, I'm not sure what to think right now.
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Ok....keep ruining it for everyone else because yiu are so miserable .
lol. Who am I ruining it for and if I am, they have much bigger problems.
Lol...not you specifically. It's all the anons and other trolls who keep getting banned and then create new accounts instantly to start being miserable again. I actually don't ever recall seeing your username before you replied to me, but I responded to you because you replied to me. I may have unjustly lumped you in that group. And that group is clearly ruining the board for anyone trying to have a legitimate conversation. If you can't see that then you either don't come here at least once a week or only look at the pictures.
Oh
. My bad. For sure agree.Yeah, I’ve been gone for a minute. Came back just recently. Thanks for the reply.
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I get what you're saying about tied for seventh. But for whatever reason the record book will forever say 9th.
Saying we were tied for 7thin the SEC like that's way better is crazy.