Why Social Media is enriching our lives, while it eats away at the fabric of our society.

[PSU Mike]

It's not spin,it's reality. You don't have to like it.

You’re talking out both ends. How’s that for spin?

Even as a kid I never fully got it. I remember those Sports Afield stories I read in the dentist’s waiting room where some guy comes across the most beautiful animal he’s ever seen, plans out the perfect shot, then BLAM!!!

 

[HikeNatParks]

That tumble was the finality of the circle of life - much like a beef that gets whacked at the processing plant that no one ever cares to think about.

Don’t see one “much like” the other. Raising and harvesting cattle for human consumption is different than stalking and killing an apex predator in the wild, primarily for human gratification alone. Still have no problem with Bo’s trophy or any legal hunting and fishing, as most of it has folks like yourself enjoying the great outdoors. But ever since working a teen summer in Yellowstone, I’ve had an odd affinity for seeing more grizzlies in the wild. Wife teases it’s a sickness I ain’t seeking no cure for. She’s wicked smart on that point.
May your gunsight and creel always be full!

 

[Misalorales]

What is the “most dangerous game”?

 

[Misalorales]

You’re talking out both ends. How’s that for spin?

Even as a kid I never fully got it. I remember those Sports Afield stories I read in the dentist’s waiting room where some guy comes across the most beautiful animal he’s ever seen, plans out the perfect shot, then BLAM!!!

How so? I'm not saying you have to enjoy hunting. I do. I was essentially raised in the woods by my grandfather. I learned a lot about life out there and I still hunt as much as possible. To each their own.

 

[Cali_Nittany1]

You’re talking out both ends. How’s that for spin?

Even as a kid I never fully got it. I remember those Sports Afield stories I read in the dentist’s waiting room where some guy comes across the most beautiful animal he’s ever seen, plans out the perfect shot, then BLAM!!!

Great clip from My Cousin Vinny

 

[El_Jefe]

What is the “most dangerous game”?

Any Michigan game officiated by Head Referine Dave Witvoet.

 

[Indian rocks rich]

Far as I know you cant legally harvest any animal you hunt and leave it there. Still happens obviously, especially in Pennsylvania rifle season when yuppies and muppears whack a buck that doesn't meet antler restrictions.

There are a lot of people in pa that kill deer all year long

 

[PSUer89]

Delete

 

[HOA242n!]

+1 Haven't hunted a day in my life, but can't possibly roll my eyes far back enough to some of the posts in this thread.

 

[PSU Mike]

That's some heavy duty spin right there. Kill quickly, perhaps in prime of life, to avoid a potential less pleasant death later (perhaps years later). Gotcha.

It's not spin,it's reality. You don't have to like it.

How so? I'm not saying you have to enjoy hunting. I do. I was essentially raised in the woods by my grandfather. I learned a lot about life out there and I still hunt as much as possible. To each their own.

If you follow the sequence here my comment makes sense. You’re saying it’s preferable to kill an animal quickly rather than have it die at a later time. Saying that’s reality is just one of those argument-ending attempts that people try. It’s simply not as black and white as that. Why wouldn’t (doesn’t) it apply to humans?

 

[PSUPetch]

Must we talk about whacking beef here?

I guess we could talk about pottery instead.

 

[Misalorales]

If you follow the sequence here my comment makes sense. You’re saying it’s preferable to kill an animal quickly rather than have it die at a later time. Saying that’s reality is just one of those argument-ending attempts that people try. It’s simply not as black and white as that. Why wouldn’t (doesn’t) it apply to humans?

We're going to run into the issue of "it makes sense to me" being represented as "it makes sense". I'm not saying it's preferable, I am saying it's certainly a less painful and quicker death for an animal than how the vast majority will die in the wild. Take from that what you will.

Saying it's reality isn't an argument ender, it's saying that's what really happens in the wild? I'm actually confused as to what you're disputing here and don't care to get too bogged down with arguing over something non wrestling related. Especially with someone I actually like on the board.

Wish me luck Saturday, first day of turkey!

 

[98lberEating2Lunches]

When you said trophy hunting, my mind went to Africa. Regardless, the vast majority of conservation efforts are funded by outdoorsman, license sales and taxes on outdoors related gear. I'm not saying a bear wouldn't "want to live" I am saying how do you think they die in the wild normally? It's brutal. I won't feel bad about ethically harvesting any animal. We're animals as well. We hunt as a lot of others do. It's just that humans are the true apex predators.

Again, conservation of what from what?

And how did that apply to Alaskan wilderness?

Is it conservation through preservation against loss of habitat caused by man? I don't think effectively so much.

What % of federal tax on hunting ammunition goes to conservation of hunted animals (i.e. actually protecting them in the wild)? What form does that conservation take? How much goes to put and take fish hatcheries that have nothing to do with hunting?

Do you consider supporting recreational hunting/shooting conservation? Do you realize monies are apportioned using a formula that considers the number of licensed hunters?

It sure looks to be just buttering its own bread to me.

Conservation didn't save the passenger pigeon. Hunting licenses started being sold in the late 1800s. Passenger pigeon becomes extinct in 1914.

 

[98lberEating2Lunches]

There are a lot of people in pa that kill deer all year long

One part crop damage permits, one part automotive collision, and one part subsistence.

None of those involve going deep into the wilderness to harvest a trophy.

 

[Misalorales]

Again, conservation of what from what?

And how did that apply to Alaskan wilderness?

Is it conservation through preservation aginst lost habitat caused by man? I don't think effectively so much.

What % of federal tax on hunting ammunition goes to conservation of hunted animals (i.e. actually protecting them in the wild)? What form does that conservation take? How much goes to put and take fish hatcheries that have nothing to do with hunting?

Do you consider supporting recreational hunting/shooting conservation? Do you realize monies are apportioned using a formula that considers the number of licensed hunters?

It's looks to be just buttering its own bread to me.

Conservation didn't save the passenger pigeon. Hunting licenses started being sold in the late 1800s. Passenger pigeon becomes extinct in 1914.

You're never going to trust me on this and that is fine. Do some research on it yourself. The passenger pigeon extinction was actually a driving force for a lot of this. I'm glad you brought that up.


Hunters as Conservationists | U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service https://share.google/Zr0qMR6Gu8QKJGQVt

Responsible hunting offers significant benefits for wildlife conservation | The Wilderness Society https://share.google/JfqmyYEcOgwXudBZe

Hunting is by far the largest funding me | conservation-force https://share.google/rU6FU53pRoXrISYY6


There are countless articles out there explaining the link between hunting and conservation,if you want to learn about it, you can.

 

[98lberEating2Lunches]

We come from a long line of immigrants who were not landed gentry in Europe. In Europe unlanded commoners could not (and by in large still cannot) legally hunt. They might only as the paid huntsmen.

So we basically adopted hunting as a right to life (consistent with life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness) in much harsher times.

Today's hunting is something entirely different, and it's supported by policies aimed to keep the hunting industry satisfied.

It's been proven that rack limits do not improve conservation of land or improve game genetics. In fact it has the opposite effect. But it promises bigger trophies, which is what the hunting industry wants.

Despite this, the more time passes the fewer license buying hunters. I think, sooner or later conservation laws will catch up with what a new vast majority believes.

 

[98lberEating2Lunches]

You're never going to trust me on this and that is fine. Do some research on it yourself. The passenger pigeon extinction was actually a driving force for a lot of this. I'm glad you brought that up.


Hunters as Conservationists | U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service https://share.google/Zr0qMR6Gu8QKJGQVt

Responsible hunting offers significant benefits for wildlife conservation | The Wilderness Society https://share.google/JfqmyYEcOgwXudBZe

Hunting is by far the largest funding me | conservation-force https://share.google/rU6FU53pRoXrISYY6


There are countless articles out there explaining the link between hunting and conservation,if you want to learn about it, you can.

I can read the propaganda. Mom taught me to consider the source.

It's funny you never directly answer the most basic question.

I am not even trying to convince you. You already said you feel fine legally harvesting any species.

Bottom line of your one references:

We hunters have to make restitution for causing extinctions and near extinctions. The conservation efforts are to protect hunters from themselves. It's ok to kill, just not to the extent we exterminate a whole species.

So wolves are reintroduced. Then they take hold. Then they can again be hunted. Quite a conservation methodology

 

[Dren007]

Thank goodness the Higgins pigeon shoot was banned.
My favorite Twilight Zone episode is called To Serve Man. Relates to this topic greatly.

 

[APSPSUwrestlingfan]

Thank goodness the Higgins pigeon shoot was banned.
My favorite Twilight Zone episode is called To Serve Man. Relates to this topic greatly.

Yes! It was a cookbook. Great ending.

 

[Goggles Paisano]

Didn't Bo regularly do some trophy hunting in Carver Hawkeye?

 

[Straw]

So we don't control predator populations and let them decimate the the other species and livestock. Asked the people in Minnesota and Wisconsin what the wolves are doing to their wildlife.

 

[98lberEating2Lunches]

Thank goodness the Higgins pigeon shoot was banned.
My favorite Twilight Zone episode is called To Serve Man. Relates to this topic greatly.

Hegins?

I will look for the episode to stream.

 

[Fatwoodchuck]

Sweet! Can and will suck but I think it will be better all around.

 

[PSUer89]

So we don't control predator populations and let them decimate the the other species and livestock. Asked the people in Minnesota and Wisconsin what the wolves are doing to their wildlife.

And yet wolves coexisted with the rest of the wildlife for millennia before people got involved. Read about how reintroducing wolves to Yellowstone reinvigorated the riverbed by decreasing elk, allowing vegetation to recover and allowing smaller species to thrive. Wolves helping to control large species is exactly their purpose as predators

 

[Honcho]

And yet wolves coexisted with the rest of the wildlife for millennia before people got involved. Read about how reintroducing wolves to Yellowstone reinvigorated the riverbed by decreasing elk, allowing vegetation to recover and allowing smaller species to thrive. Wolves helping to control large species is exactly their purpose as predators

I was in Yellowstone last year. I thought... if they would allow a number of tags for Elk, then hunters could kill and eat the Elk instead of the wolves.

 

[creamery freak]

I'm not big on the paid trophy hunting thing myself but that's basically what funds conservation for most of those species AND probably the most pleasant way any wild animal could die is by being harvested by someone hunting. Otherwise it's disease, starvation and predation. If I were a cape buffalo I'd rather get shot by a rich dentist than my *** chewed off by a pack of wild dogs because I got stuck in a wallow or whatever else. Nature is beautiful and it is violent.

Heard a story where a wounded seal was being nursed back to health by a group of animal conservation people. The day it was being released, from a boat out in the ocean, there were tv cameras and a big celebration ensued. The seal was swimming away to much applause and a Killer whale ended the show pronto. I wonder if the seal would have preferred a bullet?

 

[98lberEating2Lunches]

So we don't control predator populations and let them decimate the the other species and livestock. Asked the people in Minnesota and Wisconsin what the wolves are doing to their wildlife.

Decimate? Sounds like hyperbole.

Their wildlife? This isn't Europe. Wildlife is not the property of a landowner.

Guard dogs have effectively protected both sheep and cattle from both wolves and bears in a nonlethal way for over 4,000 years.

 

[Tryingtodoitright]

This thread is flawlessly named.

 

[mh-larch]

Based on the ending result, that grizzly was clearly not the apex predator in that habitat - Bo was.

Are you familiar with the funding behind wildlife conservation efforts and how those dollars are utilized?

Agree....but that's also why I don't shed a tear when the tables are turned and the hunter gets killed (like that rich winery owner that got stampeded and trampled by elephants recently).

 

[TwoJoints]

Agree....but that's also why I don't shed a tear when the tables are turned and the hunter gets killed (like that rich winery owner that got stampeded and trampled by elephants recently).

Delete

 

[District 4]

I'm not big on the paid trophy hunting thing myself but that's basically what funds conservation for most of those species AND probably the most pleasant way any wild animal could die is by being harvested by someone hunting. Otherwise it's disease, starvation and predation. If I were a cape buffalo I'd rather get shot by a rich dentist than my *** chewed off by a pack of wild dogs because I got stuck in a wallow or whatever else. Nature is beautiful and it is violent.

 

[Honcho]

I posted the link and as soon as I did it disappeared. Very interesting if true.

 

[PSUeng]

Decimate? Sounds like hyperbole.

Their wildlife? This isn't Europe. Wildlife is not the property of a landowner.

Guard dogs have effectively protected both sheep and cattle from both wolves and bears in a nonlethal way for over 4,000 years.

Are there more deer in America now or 150 years ago. I was always told now?

 

[PAHURDLER]

This thread really sucks now.

 

[98lberEating2Lunches]

Are there more deer in America now or 150 years ago. I was always told now?

Yes, but were you also told

Between 1600 and 1900, white-tailed deer populations in America plummeted from roughly 30 million to only 300,000 due to uncontrolled market hunting, habitat loss, and overexploitation for hides.

That's 99x decimation for those counting.

Of course 150 years ago is only 1895 which again is about when hunting licensing started and at the deer populations low point.

Currently, there are between 30 million and 36 million deer in America as of 2024-2026. The same population was estimated at 15 million in 2003.

So we are either about at the hunter restitution break even point through "conservation," or the continued decline in the hunting population over the last 20-some years has led to the more than doubling over the past 22 years. Surely it's some combination of the two. There's room to debate the more significant contributor.

In my current state MD, one can legally harvest upwards of 50 deer in a license season. But hunters take one or two. And so Baltimore City used the USDA to cull deer from its city parks for over $100k. That's conservation dollars at work.

 

[PaWrestlingFan7]

Yes, but were you also told

Between 1600 and 1900, white-tailed deer populations in America plummeted from roughly 30 million to only 300,000 due to uncontrolled market hunting, habitat loss, and overexploitation for hides.

That's 99x decimation for those counting.

Of course 150 years ago is only 1895 which again is about when hunting licensing started and at the deer populations low point.

Currently, there are between 30 million and 36 million deer in America as of 2024-2026. The same population was estimated as 15 million in 2003.

So we are either about at the hunter restitution break even point through "conservation," or the continued decline in the hunting population over the last 20-some years has led to the more than doubling over the past 22 years. Surely it's some combination of the two. There's room to debate the more significant contributor.

In my current state MD one can legally harvest upwards of 50 deer in a license season. But hunters take one or two. And so Baltimore City uses USDA to cull deer from its city parks for over $100k. That's conservation dollars at work.

This topic should be in the new "Off topic" thread!!

 

[Tom McAndrew]

 

[Lil Nicky Scarfo]

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I posted the link and as soon as I did it disappeared. Very interesting if true.

Bumping this and burying Marlon Perkins and Marty Stouffer over here. There’s one pipeline that won’t supply product to Iowa for awhile.

 

[El_Jefe]

Bumping this and burying Marlon Perkins and Marty Stouffer over here. There’s one pipeline that won’t supply product to Iowa for awhile.

They're happy with Sebolt, and we're happy that they're happy.

 

[Lil Nicky Scarfo]

They're happy with Sebolt, and we're happy that they're happy.

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