Rutgers doesn’t win enough because most of you don’t donate enough
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Weren’t they there in 96? Or was that Graber in 95? Might be off one year! If that’s the case then Graber?
My larger point holds true ! 30 plus years are coaching hires have been abysmal
Yea not impressed by many coaches in any sport over the years. But none of the 4 names you mentioned played for Shea. So I guess even he doesn’t make your list now. Hahaha
Nope I missed it by a year ! They were Graber ! Too much drinking with those guys. Lol
He paid big money for proven talent that already demonstrated they could be productive at this level.
Put the coach and staff at Rutgers and he would not be as effective, because he would not have the financial support to recruit the way he does at Indiana. He’s not recruiting $2.6M Mendoza to Rutgers because he wouldn’t have budget. That’s why he’d never take the Rutgers job in the first place. For 150 years, the solution has always been to get a new coach. It’s never worked out, other than with Schiano and burns and a few others. There’s no path to success that doesn’t involve more money. Cignetti is a 1 in 100,000 type hire that isn’t coming to Rutgers.
You found out who I was, and
You willfully went to my social media account, and with mal intent linked my social media pictures, because you felt it would disprove my loyalty to Rutgers. I graduated from Miami. I’m allowed to root for them. You didn’t graduate from Rutgers, and your stalkerish behavior only proves your jealousy. You’re welcome to root for Rutgers, but your bad behavior reflects badly on you, not me.
You’re not understanding the semantics of the situation.
He said $15M on NIL. Not $15 total. Everyone but you know that Mark Cuban put up big money to fund that team. Everyone gets roughly $16M for revshare for football. So it doesn’t even make sense that he would only spend $15M.
Rutgers is missing the $15M in NIL. We have some , but not a lot. Basketball only got to $9M this year. Before we were playing with peanuts Football should see a similar boost.
We need the high rollers like hedge fund managers, doctors, lawyers, entrepreneurs and other professionals to pony up for NIL.
Most every other fanbase was conditioned to buying football and basketball players under the table for a long time. This is the first time we are doing so, so we’re starting from scratch. It’s a difficult task and the coaches and Rutgers fundraisers are doing their best.
Then what is your connection or reason for interest about Rutgers? I didn't go to Rutgers but years ago on the lax board gave the reasons for my interest. And I haven't harangued people for a decade about donating. And I didn't, and wouldn't, go to your social media account.
I may be a clown, but the jokes on you. I’ve never stalked your social media account.
The more you speak, the more you reveal that you don’t have a clue about what you’re talking about.
You’re my favorite poseur. As usual, you act like you have the full picture, when you really don’t, so let me give it to you.
I’ve been to Miami, Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, Maryland, and USC, among others, and their physical assets are far more impressive than ours, which is a big reason we can’t compete with them, aside from the NIL support, which is also huge. Michigan has TWO Fieldhouses, an auxiliary and a main. We have a bubble. Michigan and Ohio State are like visiting Disney World for college football. The experience and pageantry are second to none. No wonder why the best recruits don’t want to come here.
If you are going to conduct a good faith financial analysis, conduct a good faith financial analysis.
Don’t point to Op EX levels and conclude that Schiano should be fired, because that is lazy analysis conducted in bad faith. A good faith analysis would also include CAPEX, and paint Schiano in better light, as physical assets should be depreciated over 25 to 30 years.
The lack of CAPEX and NIL is the biggest reason we struggle at recruiting. So what you need to understand is, what is the impact of less spending? This is the piece that you are missing and what you are unfairly slagging Schiano for.
It’s more difficult to recruit! Who has that burden fallen upon? The Coaches! But we can’t work the coaches to the bone anymore, because then they’ll leave. So we added a lot of staff members to help with the grunt work and we are paying coaches more. This frees up the coaches to work on higher value activities and hopefully it gives them better work life balance, though I’m sure they still work hard.
I understand. Not sure you do. Cignetti wins less because of Nil and more because he is a talent evaluator and coach. He did not “outspend” many people on his schedule when he was at JMU or at Indiana. Mark Cuban is on record as saying he didn’t spend until there was a proof of concept. He came in last year with money. And they are both on record as saying the roster was less than reported. Only you are saying that is not true. And he has said he left money on the table and in reserves both of his years at Indiana because he knows at some point there will be changes and less people willing to invest in “amateur” athletics.
So then what was FB at?
They have at least $16m in revshare - so the same rev share as everyone else.
If Indiana is at $15m NIL for 2025 (likely less in 2024 when they made the CFP and finished #10) what is FB at?
Hasn't Schiano been successfully fundraising on his own?
Unlike Pike who needed to wait for Zinn to do it for him.
Yes, MBB is at approx $9m now.
So is MBB (approx $6m NIL) ahead of FB?
Is Schiano really that bad? I thought he was this great and beloved guy?
Put Cignetti and Indiana's staff at RU and they would have been a lot more successful than Schiano has been. They would have at least produced a winning B1G record. Give Schiano a billionaire whale and the results would be similar to what we've seen from him for close to a decade The coaching gap between Indiana and RU is bigger than the talent gap. Nobody except Indiana was lining up to hire a 64 year old coach who won a ton at the Division 2 and FCS levels. He certainly wouldn't come to RU now.
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No Al, you thinking I would waste time doing that is comical. Someone here sent them unsolicited ever since I called you out years ago.
Cignetti has been a head coach at four different schools and has amassed a record of 146-37 during his head coaching tenure. That averages out to less than 2.5 losses per season. He is clearly a phenomenal when it comes to preparation, game day coaching, schemes, maximizing the talent you have, etc. Yes, more NIL never hurts and Rutgers needs it, but at what point will you acknowledge that coaching really does matter quite a bit? I’m not a Greg hater, but Cignetti would do WAY more at RU that Greg has demonstrated he can do.
Work life balance? I’m sorry, but are you kidding me with that? This is B1G football. There is no work life balance in P2 football.
No one cares enough about you to find your social media.
No one here sent them. You went into my Facebook account and posted personal pictures, intended for private consumption, publicly, and don’t have the spine to take accountability. That’s pretty wild. this is the first time someone has sunken to this level of depravity.
Most people who actually know me, know I also support Miami. I don’t need yours or anyone else’s permission to do so.
Miami is the baseline for success, I’ve often compared Rutgers to, so it’s not like I’ve tried to hide my affiliation.
Coaching matters but not as much as the talent. Haven’t you heard, “It’s about the Jimmy’s and Joes not X’s and O’s”. We had 1 player drafted. OSU had 11. That’s a recruiting problem because Schiano has already demonstrated that he can get kids to the NFL, as long as they have the talent.
Once we get enough talent, then we can worry about the coaching.
It is much more difficult to recruit at Rutgers than it is at Ohio State, which sells itself. That’s why OSU is known as a Selector School.
There’s nothing wrong with alleviating the burden of the coaching staff by hiring administrative staff to deal with the grunt work. Our coaching staff works hard enough.
As for Cignetti, Point is moot because Cignetti wouldn’t take the Rutgers job in the first place. No good coach is coming to a place lacking the resources to win.
100%. And for me, Valvano winning his natty in '83 is second. Third is the Red Sox coming back from 0-3 to take out the Yankees. If a good coach and purchasing a talented roster to win a NC is the most memorable moment in his lifetime, that dude must not be too old!!
How would they have been successful at Rutgers if they would not have had the budget to land the transfers they did? Cignetti also coached at Alabama for a number of years, so it isn’t like he was new to Div I. He’d look at our facilities and he’d laugh, especially comparing to Alabama’s facilities. He was uniquely qualified to get the job done.
Since we agree that he wouldn’t come now,
Why don’t we try giving Schiano the support he needs, and if he doesn’t get the job done, we’ll get someone else? At this point, this makes the most sense to me.
They got the transfer in 24 without a lot of NIL. The 25 team had real NIL. The guys that came with him from JMU didn't get a lot of money. They came because of him and the opportunity.
Failing to recognize this after being told time and again isn't helping your argument.
How much have you donated? Dude refuses to answer because it's not substantial. He just wants everyone else do to what he can't. Guy should really STFU about donating.
Keep crying dude, lots here don’t like you and have sent me things about you. You can continue deflecting but as I said before thinking I would care enough to find you on social media is comical considering I abhor most of it.
The one thing I do know is you’re the TKR equivalent of a pick me girl with these threads. Always thirsty for attention.
Cignetti has coached two full years at IU, one with strong NIL support and the other very likely with NIL support similar to what RU has to deal with. In his first year, he went 11-2, 8-1 in B1G, and made it to the CFP with a bunch of JMU transfers and FCS players. Dude coaches circles around pretty much everyone else and maximizes the talent he has more than anything we’ve ever seen.
Of course we need more NIL, but you can’t just completely ignore the value of coaching. “Once we get enough talent, then we can worry about the coaching” is an absolutely terrible way of thinking of this.
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Lol he's trolling...he's not trying to make sense, he's just being argumentive. I just have to push back against the narrative that Rutgers has no talent...team is loaded and transfers were brought in to supplement the positions that lack talent. If the team under performs next year it's not because they didn't have talent. He's talking about programs like Ohio State and Michigan but before Rutgers can reach that level they have to beat the Illinois and Minnesotas first. Stack a couple 8-9 dare I say 10 win seasons and watch the big college football bucks roll into the nyc tri state area.
Schiano and his army of recruiters can recruit. They just can't coach. That's always been the issue. It will always be the issue. He gets outcoached on gameday routinely.
It's not shocking at all to see his protege in Miami have WTF games every season. He learned from Schiano.
It's not shocking at all to see his protege in Miami have WTF games every season. He learned from Schiano.
I steer clear of responding to most of his posts and interacting with him directly. But sometimes you have to respond when someone is so off the mark.
Everything you said was correct… Logical and it follows quite nicely… You are, however, arguing with the equivalent of a traffic cone
No one is ignoring the value of coaching. It’s important. But I’m confident we have the coaches in place to succeed, once we get the talent.
But what you’re not understanding is that great coaches are made by great players. And those players were recruited because Indiana spent big money.
So you just can’t ignore the $86M in facility improvements that Indiana made and the substantial sums in NIL.
We coached well on the offensive side of the ball. Why? Because we had Athan, Duff, Raymond, and Strong. We didn’t have similar caliber players on the defensive side of the ball, but there were coaching issues. This is why we have new defensive coaches.
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Sorry but you have never been on the mark. If you think Indiana only spent $15M on last years roster, than you are really lost. Rutgers last year spent roughly more than $19M. And we couldn’t afford a Mendoza.
The ultimate contradiction to your assertion is that Indianas transfer class played a prominent role in helping them win a National Championship, because it had lots of impact players, most notably, the Heisman winner. Our class was not as impactful, to say the least.
Revshare alone is roughly $16M. So your comments at face value don’t even make sense to people who understand how this works. Plus Mark Cuban is said to have donated significantly.
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If recruiting is not an issue, why is our transfer class so weak? Why did we only have 1 draft pick in this past draft? Why is there only 2 players likely to be drafted in Korey Duff and Antwan Raymond? With Asamoah being a possibility but not probability like the other two.
In 2009, we had two first round picks in Devin McCourty and Kenny Britt. Now we Duff on the offensive side of the ball, but no one close on the defensive side of the ball.
You are not understanding what I’m getting at.
There’s not enough talent to field an effective defense. And The offensive line isn’t as strong as it could be.
We can compete with Minnesota but not Illinois.
In fact, We haven’t yet shown we can beat Iowa, Wisconsin, Nebraska, and now we have fallen behind Illinois, who just smoked us, due to recruiting. Illinois just recruited the #1 OL from NJ,
Kai Pritchard. It is going to be tough to progress without being able to land NJ’s best.
Illinois is out recruiting us because they have invested more in facilities and NIL.
We are not on their level, but are working to get there. It is tough without the financial support in facilities and NIL.
College football is an arms race, and we are losing badly.
Al. I responded to you saying to your post that Indiana had 42 transfers on the 2025 roster. Which was false. Pointed out that only 5 of the transfers came from traditional powers. Pointed out that Rutgers has had similar if not more of a greater turnover of roster. There is no denying that Indianas transfer class has played a prominent role in their winning national championship. Show me where I said anything to the contrary? I agree our revshare was not as impactful. Actually have said that. But that is more to do with coaching than spending.
I have not said Indiana only spent $15 million. You said Cignetti admitted to spending 30-40 million on the roster. I pointed out he said the exact opposite. I said both Mark Cuban and Cignetti are on record saying they spent “closer to 15 than 40. You and only you are denying what the 2 are saying and “”contradict” that statement.
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I’m taking up so much space in your head, I should pay rent.
Thanks for your support.
I don't know.
This guy seemed to think we were one of the most talented teams in the country just 2 years ago.
Sure maybe we didn't have the depth after injuries that year.
Now our talent has plummeted?
2025 and upcoming 2026 have minimal talent?
"We’re not going to be destroying teams 42-10, because we’ll be destroying teams 52-10. We have better talent than Notre Dame. Better talent than Alabama. Better talent than USC."
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We’re not going to be destroying teams 42-10, because we’ll be destroying teams 52-10. We have better talent than Notre Dame. Better talent than Alabama. Better talent than USC. Most of our opponents this year, cannot stop the run, which just happens to be our strength. Ohio State could not...