I respect Richie, but his sources are not infallible. I doubt an extension is in the works, and a firing is more likely in 2 years if he does not get 8 wins in one of the next two seasons.
Will Rutgers Move on From Schiano
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At least GS develops talent on defense. He knows how to culture a secondary and even Belichick knew that. Currently I see 16 RU players in NFL and most are defenders including 7 DBs. Nobody has to be nervous about drafting an RU DB. He can get lucky with RBs and WRs because they are instinct players and dont need three years to find themselves with help from Greg's "gurus."
With Greg's "condom offense" the defense is supposed to be turbo. Back in ye olde glory days of 2006 the defense had to make a lot of turnovers and statement plays to make-up for an offense stacked with NFL talent but who couldn't put UConn away without defense playing like heroes in the 4th. That is actually Greg's model for offense and defense. Minnesota runs the same schemes and has the same problems and same complaints from fans.
I'm glad Greg gets decent guys on the team and they are always likeable teams. But when I watch 2 teams RU beat a few years ago in the title game - and with Indiana reaching mythological status - I miss the more interesting seasons. I'm weary of opening against turkeys teams like Wagner and Norfolk , then having some ok wins vs mediocre teams and then getting spatchcocked by the boss teams. I dont call for firing or anything because I remember Ash/Flood. I just want a real offense that's not from year 2000. With RUs WRs, RB and AK, RU should have had a lot more TDs Greg couldn't win a title with Indiana players but Cigs could have done a lot with RUs offense.
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I’m sure Zinn’s connections can come up with a coordinator or two who might be better than the same old same old the usual suspects can come up with again. Look at WBB so far as they have done more in a month than in the last two years.
It's a lot easier to do in WBB when top NIL is $2m and an alum stepped up to provide that. In football, you're needing at least 10x that amount to attract a high quality coach now.
agree
in his defense however, he can only relay what he hears and that's dependent upon the timing, current circumstance, and who is delivering it. problem is, people here take what he says as gospel which is unfair to him.
anyone with 'who you going to get' is not a serious poster to respond to. it's disingenuous at best
Lack of academic support did Graber in. If he'd figured that out, he would have been more successful than he was.
They're giving him just enough rope. I'm sure what Cignetti has done at Indiana will come up in these conversations, if it hasn't already.
Hell, the current DC is a former head coach who's produced as many 10 win seasons as Schiano in considerably less time.
Schiano rescued RU from the Ash fiasco and upgraded RU to mediocre. That very clearly seems like his ceiling. Is a magical season…9-11 wins coming? Side eye that all day long.
IMO, Cignetti is not really a great example. He is truly a unicorn. Bielema is a much better measuring stick, and a painful one in that he apparently was deep in negotiations when the talks for Greg 2.0 broke down and he walked away. OTOH, maybe Bielema's success is more about him being on his home turf in Illinois, but I still think he has a higher ceiling than Greg.
Cignetti might not be the best example, but that's how a lot of ADs think. Bielema is certainly a better comparison in this case, but Greg doesn't come out great there either.
Greg is the only guy who can do this job and that comes at a cost. Frankly, given those circumstances, his salary is a bargain.
How many of them were taking over with nothing but Ash's ? And, of course, taking over a program with RU's record at the top-level of college football ?
As I said above, if you want a fair comparison...check out Rutgers' head coaches since the move to "big-time" with Dick Anderson. Any positive impressions in fans or recruits eyes in regards to Rutgers football are all because of Greg Schiano.
Oh what schools are Dick Anderson and Chris Ash coaching against Rutgers this year?
I missed it on the schedule.
yes we must appreciate what Greg has meant for the program, but we also must demand wins and not continue to wait for the RU FB team to meet the expectations we had for it when the 2006 season ended .
Schiano deserves credit for making Rutgers respectable after replacing Shea and his ineptness and coming back to build a pretty good team after Ash proved he couldn't win.
But Greg hasn't shown , except for 2006, he can make RU a very good program and not the type of program that might have a winning season or losing one that seems to be the cast now.
Greg is going into his 7th year this go-round and it;s time to **** or get off the pot as far as I'm concerned.
I like Greg for what he has done top make RU FB respectable, but I'm not pushing for him to be retained because
what he hasn't accomplish. > making RU able to compete with the top B1G programs and be considered for major bowls, if not playoff material.
not sure if you are eating paint chips here but this is a laughable retort and sadly, you dont' even understand why
Give Graber 1/10th of the support from Rutgers that Greg has had, including the loooooooooooong rope and its all a different ballgame.
Everything you need to know about Greg was summed up in 2.0 from Vedral, to Wimsatt, to stupidly icing a kicker to last year.
I'm not even sure what is most bonehead move because he's quite a few, far more than any other p4 program would allow.
Good point, it's up to Tate and Zinn to make RU a destination to be looked at instead of avoided.
Though I like Greg being rehired ,after the Ash disaster burned out, I feel there were better candidates
that wouldn't look RU;s way because Rutgers didn't offer the type of financial backing they felt the program needed and the type of salary to make them think it was a good job.
Greg had to fight tooth and nail to get most of what he felt needed and almost didn't take the job despite RU probably being the only major program that would even look at him as a HC.
Putting Graber on a pedestal is classic idiocy. If he was so good another college program would have hired him. But no one did.
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You do realize that offense was the least of our problems last season. We more than held our own. Just couldn't tackle anyone and couldn't get the other team's offense off the field.Purdue, Northwestern, Minnesota, Illinois, Indiana most years, Maryland and some others were some historically weak B1G teams and Rutgers is in that bin. The "big game" people still talk about is 20 years ago. The big and consistently successful teams came from schools that emphasize football A LOT. Rutgers isn't a football university like the others. Maybe the new admins would like to make it one but that's not a small job or a short post.
Schiano does a lot of things right but offense isn't one of them. Its beyond contention that RU's offensive philosophy is a detriment. Monsters in between the 20s and elves in red zone every year. Other teams even make note of it in their scouting
".. the extra parts are baffling to the both of us -- is that Rutgers gets stopped completely dead in the redzone. They can look amazing between the 20s but as soon as they cross the opponent’s 20 yardline (actually I can pinpoint where the per-play effectiveness and a-EPA begins its collapse at the 31), everything falls apart. This includes things which are totally maddening to observe, like o-line blocking grades, which makes no sense (it’s the defense in the trenches that’s supposed to get fatigued on long drives, not the offense), and Rutgers’ preternatural 2nd & long passing game which goes from a +7 percentage point overperformance compared to 1st & 10 (itself kind of weird) outside the redzone to a mind-bogglingly terrible 16% 2nd & long success rate inside the redzone.
Numerically, the offense goes from a 57.6% per-play efficiency between the 20s to a 44.1% efficiency inside the 20. A small part of that is a falloff in rushing efficiency, by about four points -- fairly natural, as defenses compress -- while the major part is that passing efficiency collapses an astonishing 21 percentage points, from 57.8% outside to 36.8% inside.
As such, Rutgers has only converted 16 of its 27 meaningful redzone trips in FBS play to touchdowns, a 59.3% rate. For context, global efficiency is usually coincidental enough for F+ advanced statistics that having a 70% redzone touchdown conversion rate goes hand-in-hand with a top-30 ranking. That’s basically true this year (it’s actually top 33, the service academies are hyperefficient outliers), but there are four teams who are F+ darlings outside the redzone and so are highly rated offenses in that system, but are under 61% in redzone efficiency and so my model is very skeptical of them finishing the season strong: Illinois, Kansas, Texas Tech … and Rutgers."
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This red zone problems goes back to pre iPhone days - not even Ray Rice could help
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"The individual offensive numbers look like something from a video game. Rutgers will likely finish this season with two 1,000-yard receivers for the first time in school history, with a 3,000-yard passer and, most likely, with a 1,600-yard rusher. Yet there were the Knights, settling for five field goal tries in six red zone trips against Connecticut on Saturday (making four) while managing just one touchdown."
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EVERY YEAR ITS THE SAME THING (UConn 2007 to Oregon 2025) and its not mostly on the players. Greg CANT DO red zone no matter the OC or players. He needs an intervention - rub his nose in it like a puppy that keeps peeing in the house. The stats are out there for anyone who wants them. There have been ADs who called for new schemes from coaches
Schiano might not set the coaching world on fire, but Graber never got another College HC position and that might be because he wasn't a good enough Coach in the eyes of College Football ADs but a legendary coach for some RU fans because he won 7 games one time and 6 another during his 6 years as RU's HC
Doug went 6-5 in his only other College HC ( at Montana State) before Rutgers grabbed him.
A few years after leaving Rutgers Graber was the HC of the Frankfurt Galaxy of the NFL's European League
He did win the World Bowl there having a 6-4 record the year the Galaxy won it.
Doug might not have received the best of support, but I don't think he would have made Rutgers much better if he had the same support Greg forced Rutgers to give him as G1 or returning as G2..
Graber is a fond memory to be used against Greg but not a valid comparison .
Just like Dick Anderson's coaching record of 28-33-4 for his 6 year is considered a bust,
But Doug's 29-36-1 is something legends are made of, when comparing him to another RU HC
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Doug didn't really want to coach much after Rutgers if memory serves me correctly. Doesn't matter, it's not transitive by any stretch, just look at Belachek
there were issues with the school at the time that would derail any coach and yet he still had competent teams that punched way above the belt for the facilities, support, etc.... when people talk lack of institutional support, Graber truly was the definition. For instance, there were just 2 tutors for all of the sports team, 1 computer in a room if memory serves me correctly. it was bad, like really bad
Graber would light Greg's world on fire coaching against him. He was that much better on game day
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But not for Rutgers, Schiano never would have sniffed another head coaching job. Tennessee made sure of that. He's toxic outside of NJ
Agree 100%. Those were some tough times.They went 7-4 in 92 and did not get invited to a bowl. Think about that!
Actually he overcame that toxicity , in one article about the Tennessee non hiring , it was written:>No charges were ever brought against Schiano. No victim sued him for not reporting it at the time, despite dozens of Sandusky victims having active legal representation and Schiano being a very rich and famous football coach. No victim ever came forward alleging Schiano witnessed he and Sandusky in a shower.<
Another part of that article had how the person quoted as saying Schiano saw something denied saying that
along with this: >
The Schiano story never came up in any of the hundreds and hundreds of pages of interviews that have been made public or during any public testimony in any of those cases.
The Pennsylvania attorney general’s office was extremely aggressive in pursuing leads and going after anyone it believed covered up for Sandusky. It spent years building and then prosecuting a case that was based on the allegation that people in power at Penn State participated in a “conspiracy of silence.”
It’s very difficult to imagine how that same attorney general’s office, if it heard about this and believed it was even remotely provable or accurate, would not go after Schiano and especially Bradley, who worked at Penn State from 1979-2012 and was arguably Paterno’s most trusted lieutenant. Yet even after this emerged in 2016, the AG’s office did not pursue it as far as anyone knows. Likewise, Penn State conducted its own lengthy and exhaustive investigation, run by former FBI director Louis Freeh, and the Schiano story never emerged.<
But truth or fiction, people are going to belive what they want and some might not believe but it's great fuel to put the man down
I agree his getting a College HCing job wasn't happening except for Rutgers and Hobbs couldn't find anyone wanting the job while the natives got restless and forced him to compromise with Schiano and the demands Greg made to take the job. Schiano was willing to compromise on what kind of support he wanted ,because he knew Rutgers was the only major program that would hire him as a HC and maybe g-5 programs looking for a HC weren't lining up at his door because he wanted too much power
I think the lack of offers were because of how he was perceived by ADs as a gameday HC and not why some Tennessee fans were against him .
How many top recruits/ transfers did the previous coach got in her time compared to Reddus getting the twins to come back to Jersey?
Smikle and McMiller as recruits and Adams as a transfer and that was barely any NIL compared to the $2m NIL Reddus has now.
Her biggest problem was going after the two headcase top recruits and not bringing more freshman in during her initial two seasons. The roster was shorthanded a bit as result of lack of bodies.
brown is why Greg was hired and I've never heard of any AD thinking he's a Gameday coach, quite the opposite actually. Greg was absolutely the right man for the job after Ash, not sure anyone could argue that point. But if you recall, the board was pretty clear with most agreeing that after he stabilized the program, we'd need someone else to take it from there. Greg will never succeed here because his style doesn't translate to the things needed to attract talent and support. By his own admission, he doesn't care about perception in 2.0 when changing the perception is exactly what is needed in 2.0
I don't comment on anything PSU as I wasn't there and have seen, heard, read nothing that would corroborate Greg saw, heard, or was aware of anything. I think people saying otherwise, without any legit proof, are doing him a disservice.
Looks like she went after the wrong players.
Let’s see how fast Reddus change things around with the resources he has.
If he does: Good. If he doesn’t: Next.
I wouldn't say least of our worries, redzone matters. I do agree with the overall sentiment however
Graber had zero support for RU and had them on the cusp not to mention if there were that many bowls as now RU would be in 1 or 2. I was around for that era.
how about no one else in the country would hire greg same thing
10 years to get to 8-4 is their plan with an extension at 6-6 next year
tough is an understatement, even the professors worked against the athletes with little to no accommodations for make up work, exams, and overall sentiment. Everything at Rutgers conspired to work against athletes in one or another
i also recall alot of academically ineligible...almost unheard of these days....the schianopox infected like rufan4life have zero clue to our history
it's absurd to support him at this point. He should be a GM or AD but not the coach