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Kingslayer07

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Thought we had a shot at both, now we likely get neither. I know now both were never an option, but you can't miss on both. These guys aren't even top 25 portal guys. The Pope era is frustrating.
Rancik is ranked like 98th and we cant close lol. Freeman is top 25.
 

Eagles_Ball_69

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I've been tripping about a lot of Pope related things since November or so. Now that we have Zoom, and Wilkins ... I am going to chill and let it play out. Hope we get Moreno back and he learns to rebound with two hands ... I wouldn't mind us getting the little guard from Jackson State if he is still available , as a scoring guard off the bench. Arizona won it in 97 with Davidson and Bennett as the PF and C ...who are those guys? Exactly ... with good guard play and hopefully some Andrew Carr type big, etc ... we will be okay. I think we will be okay. Landing Wilkins seems to have shaken a lot of the ANON negative Nancy's away. I hope.
The game has evolved a tad in the last 29 years.
 

notFromhere

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Pope's recruiting is more like a turd in the hand. You think you can get a handle on it but it keeps slipping out of your grip and by the end you're just covered in sh*t

Well, that's enlightening, and tells us more about you and where you're coming from than anything.

How many turds have you held in your hand, or attempted to hold in your hand? Was this a passing fetish or something you did for a paycheck during tougher times? What possessed you to grab turds?
 
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Eagles_Ball_69

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Nah, thats not true. The kid led them to believe it was a done deal, then once Rancik signed at FSU, he started calling other schools looking for offers. Thats called being bent over. Maybe you will kiss him when he finishes up, but me, I am going for the grab and rip technique
Reason #432 why you sign the lesser player first.
 

CameronCat22

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Same. Considering the political leanings of Kentucky, I think it’s safe to assume most here are “free” market loving capitalists. Then some blame kids for trying to capitalize on their talents and situations. At least it makes for decent irony.
Those people believe in free market capitalism for the elite, not others. They desperately want to cap what these college athletes can make.
 

Eagles_Ball_69

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He doesn't seem to learn. When you made the best offer to Freeman and he said I will tell you tomorrow you say no, you tell us today or we give the money to Rancik. That is not giving up on the recruit, that is setting a deadline so you can protect yourself.
Pope isn't cut out for that part of the game.
 

Blue Jesus

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Pope is in a hard spot with Freeman. According to Matt they held off on Rancik waiting to get Freeman. Matt said once Rancik signed with Florida St. Kentucky tried all day to get Freeman to commit but wasn't successful. Then due to Freemans agent shopping him around St. Johns came in and beat UK's offer. Mat says the St. Johns folks will be hard to beat money wise as to keep in mind they do not have to fund football, so they have deep pockets solely for basketball. At this point I would call Freeman and match St. Johns offer with the understanding that if he doesn't accept on the spot then we move on. I wouldn't let a past injury prone player hold us hostage for really more money than he is worth. Pope is in a hard spot here as if he meets St. Johns offer and the kid signs here and misses games he will be crucified.
Thanks for the update. Matt has said we will likely fill out the roster with a foreign player or two. Seems like a lot of the best ones are at that power forward or center position. Maybe that’s the direction we end up going, I just hope we can find a starter quality option late in the process.
 
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Eagles_Ball_69

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I don't think Pope is a bad recruiter, he's a bad closer. He's too nice. He may be too nice to be the coach at Kentucky too.
You do realize closing is an EXTREMELY big part of recruiting, correct? Hell, any dipstick can see who the best/better players are.
 

CameronCat22

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Thanks for the update. Matt has said we will likely fill out the roster with a foreign player or two. Seems like a lot of the best ones are at that power forward or center position. Maybe that’s the direction we end up going, I just hope we can find a starter quality option late in the process.
The same Matt that said we would either have Freeman or Rancik by yesterday? He seems to have a lot of problems with these claims.
 
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TheApostleSaulSmith

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Well, that's enlightening, and tells us more about you and where you're coming from than anything.

How many turds have you held in your hand, or attempted to hold in your hand? Was this a passing fetish or something you did for a paycheck during tougher times? What possessed you to grab turds?
Long story. Spent a few years in South America. Brazilian bookies have unusual methods
 

exo6desmo

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That’s exactly how you’re gonna have to play this agent crap. You’re gonna have to make the guys think that they’ve got a pretty good deal and take it now. Giving these guys literally weeks to bargain is not going to work.
Exactly.
 

36bfM@$NJ9HtEy#

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Also, one elephant in the room. Money is part of it but if you were a college kid that wanted to go pro. Would you want to play for Pope or Pitino?
Honestly? Neither. If I were a freshman I'd go with Cal because (even considering the Karter Knoxes and DeJuan Wagners), he's made his reputation on guys like AD, SGA, DB, etc.--and this year with Darius Acuff-- as still the king of OADs. And until his rep for this starts losing its shine, he's still viewed as the guy who cares more about having more NBA lottery picks than Nattys.

But, if I'm in the portal, I'd go with a coach who the media likes (vs. two who either dodge them -- Pope, or sarcastically puts them down when he doesn't like what they say -- Pitino) at a P5 school who promises me I'm going to play a lot on ESPN, and then offers to pay me the going rate to back that claim.
 
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Sounds like a Mark Pope recruitment.

This. Every bit of this. He literally has no clue how to conduct a high stakes negotiation. Its showed time and again.

Instead of hiring someone who can, he hired another analytics guy. Identifying talent wasn't even the problem. Everyone we targeted, and missed, last year all turned out great.

So we just hired someone who adds nothing while our deficiency remains the same. Awesome.
 

BlueSince92

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Holding off on Rancik wasn’t the problem. Starting Rancik wouldn’t have gotten us where we need to be if there’s any point in playing a third year. Real problem is Pope being basically unable to land anybody when there’s any real competition at all.
 
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If rumors are true about Freeman’s price tag, St. John’s offering him 4 million, letting him move on would be the smart choice if he can’t be haggled down. Overpaying players to sign them tickles fans because they get the dopamine rush of vicarious success. It, however, hurts in the short and long run. In the short term, it gives less money to pay others. In the long term, you become an tool
for leverage in negotiation. That’s why it’s important to have a GM or someone like that to handle these things. Coaches and their assistants in the midst of a season need to be focused on the season.
 

RedwoodHigh

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Idk about dogging him, but he's not a starter on a team that contends for the natty...unless the rest of the lineup is far superior to him.
Starting is earned & if Ky BB history teaches anything, assuming who is a starter in April when the season starts in November can lead to big disappointments. Examples are DJ Wagner & Brandon Garrison instead of Reed & Moreno.
Rancik would have started at Ky & it will be torture next year when he proves all his BBN supporters were right about him.
GO BIG BLUEđź’™
 

Padsfs07

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If rumors are true about Freeman’s price tag, St. John’s offering him 4 million, letting him move on would be the smart choice if he can’t be haggled down. Overpaying players to sign them tickles fans because they get the dopamine rush of vicarious success. It, however, hurts in the short and long run. In the short term, it gives less money to pay others. In the long term, you become an tool
for leverage in negotiation. That’s why it’s important to have a GM or someone like that to handle these things. Coaches and their assistants in the midst of a season need to be focused on the season.

Why do you care what the price is? $1.4M - sweet! $4.6M - no way!

That doesn't make sense since we have no idea what the actual numbers are and what the budget is.
 

UKWildcats1987

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Starting is earned & if Ky BB history teaches anything, assuming who is a starter in April when the season starts in November can lead to big disappointments. Examples are DJ Wagner & Brandon Garrison instead of Reed & Moreno.
Rancik would have started at Ky & it will be torture next year when he proves all his BBN supporters were right about him.
GO BIG BLUEđź’™

Those teams you cited as examples sucked. The other poster was stating this guy isn't someone who is leading u anywhere.
 

kfwa

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seems like the play was to lock down Rancik, offering Freeman the majority playing time and your best offer.

If St. John's beats it, you still have Rancik and you are avoiding a bidding war.

hindsight is always 20/20 though
 
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Eagles_Ball_69

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Starting is earned & if Ky BB history teaches anything, assuming who is a starter in April when the season starts in November can lead to big disappointments. Examples are DJ Wagner & Brandon Garrison instead of Reed & Moreno.
Rancik would have started at Ky & it will be torture next year when he proves all his BBN supporters were right about him.
GO BIG BLUEđź’™
I mean...he seems better than current options. But again, he's not a starter on a title contender. Just like Potter isn't a rotation piece on a title contender. There's one common denominator amongst elite teams, they all have elite players.
 
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