This seems so obvious...how they aren't able to effectively do business is truly mind blowing.
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I would never have waited on this kid. Pope should have said to Freeman's agent, look, I've got another guy lined up. You've got ten minutes to figure things out. You're on the clock.
Exactly. Every single person on this board would get as much money as they could. People apparently have a really hard time imagining themselves in someone else’s shoes.
Your "swag". Isn't that the free stuff businesses give away as advertisement?
sorry i'll try to do better
Pope's recruiting is more like a turd in the hand. You think you can get a handle on it but it keeps slipping out of your grip and by the end you're just covered in sh*t
Hopefully it's at his next stop after this year.
I don't think Pope is a bad recruiter, he's a bad closer. He's too nice. He may be too nice to be the coach at Kentucky too.
Thought we had a shot at both, now we likely get neither. I know now both were never an option, but you can't miss on both. These guys aren't even top 25 portal guys. The Pope era is frustrating.
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What do you think Wright to Diallo is going to be? It was the same way 100% projected to be here 2 days later he was returning to BYU.
I think this is the point. Pope shouldn’t be speaking with agents. A GM, who is versed in this area of negotiation should be speaking with agents.
I agree this one is going to hurt. I will welcome a chance to come back next winter and revisit this opinion. That kids can play.
Oh absolutely. It's mind-blowing that we still don't have a GM. Pope does fine getting kids interest but he can't close the deals. That's where the GM comes in and gets it done.
I agree and I really like that kid ... but he had a bad habit of going for rebounds with one hand sometimes....he lost the ball out of bounds randomly at times. I really like Moreno. I remember the days of just knowing they are freshmen and they can grow. Would have loved for Jasper to hang around and develop , ...same with Travis Perry.
They're getting massively ripped off by crackhead "street agents." The NBA caps agent fees at 4% and forces them to be registered. NIL street agents are taking 25% and could literally be anybody, including the guy who negotiated your last drug deal. Every pro sports league already figured this out and there's a reason they have these rules.
You also let Freeman camp know that when we take Rancik, we can no longer offer Freeman as much if he decides later he still wants to come. And as our offer decreases, it likely causes his offers from other schools to decrease because his demand is less.
That is how you build and play leverage 101.
And so far, how has the new guy he hired helped?
We haven't seen alot of success so far.
My friend, I have been in business a long time and made pretty good money, and do you know what I never did? I never went back on my word. Your word is who you are. I don't tell folks, that sounds good, you have a deal, and then open the bidding back up when they have lost their other options. There is nothing wrong with trying to make all the money you can, there is also nothing wrong with a company walking away from you on principle. I would walk away from Freeman
Yep. That is why you hire a GM to handle these negotiations.
Now we are going to once again be forced to pay more for lesser talent because agents know Kentucky is in a bind. It's ridiculous.
Hopefully we only have to endure this for one more year.
JB
That’s exactly how you’re gonna have to play this agent crap. You’re gonna have to make the guys think that they’ve got a pretty good deal and take it now. Giving these guys literally weeks to bargain is not going to work.
Imagine a rule that artificially gives lesser programs an advantage over Kentucky.
Trying to press Freeman for a commitment after already telling Rancik to move on rather than using a possible pivot to Rancik as leverage is a staggering blunder. Complete amateur hour from our staff, and just proves how far over their heads they are right now.
People including the media have been warning about this happening since February. Pope is too big of a control freak.
Same reason a bunch of fans want Pope to resign and leave the rest of his contract on the table for the “love of UK” despite every single poster saying it wouldn’t walk away from millions of dollars themselves to appease mad internet fans.
Kids chasing bags sucks for fandom, but if I was one of those kids, I’d do the same.
Also, one elephant in the room. Money is part of it but if you were a college kid that wanted to go pro. Would you want to play for Pope or Pitino?
Were you in on any of these conversations between UK and Freeman? Appreciate your morality, but you have no clue how these discussions went.
May need to turn to Euro options and hope the evaluations are better than last year with Jelly. There are plenty of good Euros out there.
Likely the same way all the portal conversations went with his top targets last year. Show interest, get a fat offer, use offer to leverage more money from a school where you actually want to play. There is a clear blueprint now that these agents are using.
Part of Pope's problem. He's not a killer on the recruiting trail. Sign Rancik (the lesser player, first) and then get Freeman. In no world is Rancik the starter on a good-great team. Freeman knows Rancik isn't taking his minutes. There's certainly a world where they could both get on the floor together too, especially if Moreno is your only true 5 (stop it with the Potter as backup stuff).
No reason he couldn't get them both. You sign the lesser player first. Ain't rocket science.
Same. Considering the political leanings of Kentucky, I think it’s safe to assume most here are “free” market loving capitalists. Then some blame kids for trying to capitalize on their talents and situations. At least it makes for decent irony.