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Difficult not to take a defensive approach when so many of our fans are being so openly toxic towards an entire race of man kind.

Can you imagine the players of the team we all claim to be fans of reading this thread?

And of course I acknowledge the disparity in crime rates among the black community. I listed a number of reasons why black Americans are in the position they're in that has made them feel the only way to survive is gangster culture in a previous post. It was dismissed as "blaming others" by other posters here.

They're humans. Just like us. Its nature vs nurture.
Leftists know it their heart that certain cultures are beneath others. That can be seen in the constant wrist slapping and 30th chances. The problem is that their solution is terrible.
 

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Difficult not to take a defensive approach when so many of our fans are being so openly toxic towards an entire race of man kind.

Can you imagine the players of the team we all claim to be fans of reading this thread?
It Is the state of the nation. I feel like I’m a neutral observer in this and digging for truth. I see both sides. That does not mean I approve of certain reactions comments from both sides… But I understand the anger. People don’t want to live in fear, the violence is out of control and it’s easier for both sides to just throw arrows at each other and to have a rational discussion.

I don’t live under any kind of dream scenario of you and I resolving this. But I do enjoy digging deeper. One poster who is not on this thread has stated this is a message board and nobody changes their minds. I might be the exception. I am educating myself on the Berlin conference and that certain civilizations and social constructs may be healthier for different races.

Personally, I think it would be healthy for you to acknowledge blacks are not fitting into western civilization as well as some races. I think it’s OK and safe to acknowledge that. Rather than blaming western civilization 100%, there should be some accountability from blacks on their behavior. Fair?
 

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and some dogs are better in different situations.
not just appearance but intelligence and temperament
Except that studies have shown this isnt the case in humans. Removing environmental factors there is no discernible difference between one ethnicity to another on either of those things.

Do you base any of your racism observable data?
 

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It Is the state of the nation. I feel like I’m a neutral observer in this and digging for truth. I see both sides. That does not mean I approve of certain reactions comments from both sides… But I understand the anger. People don’t want to live in fear, the violence is out of control and it’s easier for both sides to just throw arrows at each other and to have a rational discussion.

I don’t live under any kind of dream scenario of you and I resolving this. But I do enjoy digging deeper. One poster who is not on this thread has stated this is a message board and nobody changes their minds. I might be the exception. I am educating myself on the Berlin conference and that certain civilizations and social constructs may be healthier for different races.

Personally, I think it would be healthy for you to acknowledge blacks are not fitting into western civilization as well as some races. I think it’s OK and safe to acknowledge that. Rather than blaming western civilization 100%, there should be some accountability from blacks on their behavior. Fair?
My counter point would be black Americans arent fitting in as well because we enslaved them, then created generational hurdles for them to overcome (such as share cropping and other disparities I referenced earlier). They are a product of the environment we created for them. There is no data that suggests any ethnicity is radically different from the others on our most basic attributes. We're all human.
 

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Except that studies have shown this isnt the case in humans. Removing environmental factors there is no discernible difference between one ethnicity to another on either of those things.

Do you base any of your racism observable data?
how convenient that genetic differences exist in all organisms except for humans. I guess the NBA and NFL are racist.
Science isn't racist.

 
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My counter point would be black Americans arent fitting in as well because we enslaved them, then created generational hurdles for them to overcome (such as share cropping and other disparities I referenced earlier). They are a product of the environment we created for them. There is no data that suggests any ethnicity is radically different from the others on our most basic attributes. We're all human.
Yet there are no advanced black countries
It's not just that they aren't fitting in. They are ruining western society
Now we are expected to take in Muslims, which are even worse.
 
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Yet there are no advanced black countries
It's not just that they aren't fitting in. They are ruining western society
Now we are expected to take in Muslims, which are even worse.
And yet you've already accepted your own reasoning as to why thats the case. The only plausible explanation in your mind is that your race is superior. You refuse to acknowledge any societal factors, nor the countless studies that discredit your stance.

I've also touched on why African nations are in the state they're in. You're clearly not interested in a conversation grounded in logic. You just want to be racist.

Whats the root cause here chief? Parental upbringing? Girlfriend leave you for some BBC? I don't know about you, but I've never experienced these alledged rampant problems from black Americans. I live my life without any negative interactions with them. But you clearly are beset on all sides. Poor you.
 

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It Is the state of the nation. I feel like I’m a neutral observer in this and digging for truth. I see both sides. That does not mean I approve of certain reactions comments from both sides… But I understand the anger. People don’t want to live in fear, the violence is out of control and it’s easier for both sides to just throw arrows at each other and to have a rational discussion.

I don’t live under any kind of dream scenario of you and I resolving this. But I do enjoy digging deeper. One poster who is not on this thread has stated this is a message board and nobody changes their minds. I might be the exception. I am educating myself on the Berlin conference and that certain civilizations and social constructs may be healthier for different races.

Personally, I think it would be healthy for you to acknowledge blacks are not fitting into western civilization as well as some races. I think it’s OK and safe to acknowledge that. Rather than blaming western civilization 100%, there should be some accountability from blacks on their behavior. Fair?
No. We are racist, duh.
By the way, the term racist has lost all of its teeth and meaning thanks to White liberals throwing it around like they want to do with other peoples money. It’s now just another thing to laugh at these people about.
What actions by the Left lead you to believe they want actual solutions? They cling to their hate and disappointment in their own lives too strongly to consider anything else
 

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There is no data that suggests any ethnicity is radically different from the others on our most basic attributes. We're all human.
This is simply not true.

Why are blacks generally faster sprinters than whites? Black individuals often have higher bone density, narrower hips, and, on average, less subcutaneous fat on the legs and arms compared to white counterparts. Black have a high prevalence of fast-twitch muscles.

Why are whites generally better swimmers? A lower center of gravity, longer torsos, and higher body fat percentage are advantageous for floating and endurance in swimming, which are more common in white and Asian demographics.

We must acknowledge there are differences beyond color of skin IMO. And that's okay! Equal but different is okay.
 

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This is simply not true.

Why are blacks generally faster sprinters than whites? Black individuals often have higher bone density, narrower hips, and, on average, less subcutaneous fat on the legs and arms compared to white counterparts. Black have a high prevalence of fast-twitch muscles.

Why are whites generally better swimmers? A lower center of gravity, longer torsos, and higher body fat percentage are advantageous for floating and endurance in swimming, which are more common in white and Asian demographics.

We must acknowledge there are differences beyond color of skin IMO. And that's okay! Equal but different is okay.
Because they were selectively bred for hundreds of years. The same thing would happen to white folks if you culled the weak.

You are free to perform a quick search yourself. Removing environmental factors there is 0 evidence of differences outside of standard deviation between races.
 

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No. We are racist, duh.
By the way, the term racist has lost all of its teeth and meaning thanks to White liberals throwing it around like they want to do with other peoples money. It’s now just another thing to laugh at these people about.
What actions by the Left lead you to believe they want actual solutions? They cling to their hate and disappointment in their own lives too strongly to consider anything else
What ugh...term would you like me to use for someone who finds another human inferior due to their race?

Without looking Im gonna go out on a limb and suggest that would be Websters definition of the word.
 

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And yet you've already accepted your own reasoning as to why thats the case. The only plausible explanation in your mind is that your race is superior. You refuse to acknowledge any societal factors, nor the countless studies that discredit your stance.

I've also touched on why African nations are in the state they're in. You're clearly not interested in a conversation grounded in logic. You just want to be racist.

Whats the root cause here chief? Parental upbringing? Girlfriend leave you for some BBC? I don't know about you, but I've never experienced these alledged rampant problems from black Americans. I live my life without any negative interactions with them. But you clearly are beset on all sides. Poor you.
How much time, energy, and strife are you willing to give your pet theory? Just throw in the towel for your failed experiment.
Genetics determine much more than you can obviously understand.
I haven't had any negative interactions with black people but I haven't had any bad interactions with nazis either, so...
 
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Because they were selectively bred for hundreds of years. The same thing would happen to white folks if you culled the weak.

You are free to perform a quick search yourself. Removing environmental factors there is 0 evidence of differences outside of standard deviation between races.
“They”? As usual, you leftist subhumans insist on separating everyone and identity politics. The rest of us have actually moved onto working arm in arm.
 

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What ugh...term would you like me to use for someone who finds another human inferior due to their race?

Without looking Im gonna go out on a limb and suggest that would be Websters definition of the word.
You’re really trying hard to be victim, huh? None of those “selectively bred” guys are gonna **** you, no matter how many times you show them you’re up for it. Grow up, and control your own life.
 

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You’re really trying hard to be victim, huh? None of those “selectively bred” guys are gonna **** you, no matter how many times you show them you’re up for it. Grow up, and control your own life.
Where am I painting myself as a victim here chief?
 

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How much time, energy, and strife are you willing to give your pet theory? Just throw in the towel for your failed experiment.
Genetics determine much more than you can obviously understand.
I haven't had any negative interactions with black people but I haven't had any bad interactions with nazis either, so...
What failed experiment is that?

You've exhausted an impressive amount of energy yourself, dancing around every point Im making with a simple "nuh uh".
 

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What failed experiment is that?

You've exhausted an impressive amount of energy yourself, dancing around every point Im making with a simple "nuh uh".
That people are who they are and that won't change. Making excuses for them just hurts everyone involved.
Your points aren't good ones.
 
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That people are who they are and that won't change. Making excuses for them just hurts everyone involved.
Except I haven't made that argument. I have at numerous points ITT acknowledged an issue with the behavior of a subset of black Americans, and the need to fix that behavior.

You argue that subset is "just that way". I disagree.
 

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Except I haven't made that argument. I have at numerous points ITT acknowledged an issue with the behavior of a subset of black Americans, and the need to fix that behavior.

You argue that subset is "just that way". I disagree.
They either won't or can't fix their behavior. By looking at their countries, I'm guessing they can't, which is fine for them over there
 

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They either won't or can't fix their behavior. By looking at their countries, I'm guessing they can't, which is fine for them over there
They did quite fine running respectable countries before we started stripping their continent of natural resources.

Now again, their leadership isnt without blame. They voluntarily participated in the slave trade, which also steered them in their current direction. But these are all man made issues. Humans are humans.

You can point to black individuals being better at certain sports as being "evidence" of genetic variations. If that were the case, why are white Europeans so much better at soccer than their American counterparts? We are the exact same ethnicity. Have you even allowed yourself for a moment to consider that circumstances have an impact on humans?
 

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They did quite fine running respectable countries before we started stripping their continent of natural resources.

Now again, their leadership isnt without blame. They voluntarily participated in the slave trade, which also steered them in their current direction. But these are all man made issues. Humans are humans.

You can point to black individuals being better at certain sports as being "evidence" of genetic variations. If that were the case, why are white Europeans so much better at soccer than their American counterparts? We are the exact same ethnicity. Have you even allowed yourself for a moment to consider that circumstances have an impact on humans?
No they didn't.

Europeans are traditionally better at soccer because that is where their best athletes are allocated to. Our best athletes go to different, more popular sports.
 

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No they didn't.

Europeans are traditionally better at soccer because that is where their best athletes are allocated to. Our best athletes go to different, more popular sports.
There you go "nuh ughing" again on an objective truth. You are literally denying the existence of history. 😂

Hey. At least you understood the 2nd point. Now let's see if he can figure out how his own point is a counter argument against himself. Im wagering no...
 

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There you go "nuh ughing" again on an objective truth. You are literally denying the existence of history. 😂

Hey. At least you understood the 2nd point. Now let's see if he can figure out how his own point is a counter argument against himself. Im wagering no...
Sorry but you don't have any good evidence. It is all hopes and dreams.
 
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Gee IDk. Reconstruction. Generational wealth denial. Share cropping. Redlining. Restrictive covenants. GI bill disparity. Sentencing disparities. Over policing leading to recidivism. Property tax funding of schools. Oh ****...slavery...I think that was a minor contributor....

But **** all that am I rite? Your lives suck because black people! Not for any other reasons.
I find it baffling that you failed to mention the absolute disintegration of the nuclear family in the Black community
 
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Populations within Africa possess the highest levels of genetic diversity in the world. As the cradle of human evolution, African populations have had the longest time to accumulate genetic mutations and harbor the greatest variation in human DNA, with studies identifying millions of unique variations.

Blacks and Whites are 99.5% genetically the same. At the same time, humans and chimpanzees are 98.8% the same genetics. Sounds identical or close to it. However, this shows there is immense room for differences in what appears to be a small window of genetic difference.

Chimps are hairy all over, have tails, can't speak and the list goes on. It is quite easy to see the difference between human and chimps - and one might say "But the genetics are only 1.2% different!" Correct - and that small window proves to us there is plenty of room to be different. Same with the 99.5% difference in human races. Plenty of room for blacks, whites and asians to be different.

And we are different. As I said before - that's okay! But we must acknowledge there are differences - just as our eyeballs tells us on a daily basis (beyond skin color). A lot of it is cultural - I stipulate this. And a lot of it could be genetic.
 
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Populations within Africa possess the highest levels of genetic diversity in the world. As the cradle of human evolution, African populations have had the longest time to accumulate genetic mutations and harbor the greatest variation in human DNA, with studies identifying millions of unique variations.

Blacks and Whites are 99.5% genetically the same. At the same time, humans and chimpanzees are 98.8% the same genetics. Sounds identical or close to it. However, this shows there is immense room for differences in what appears to be a small window of genetic difference.

Chimps are hairy all over, have tails, can't speak and the list goes on. It is quite easy to see the difference between human and chimps - and one might say "But the genetics are only 1.2% different!" Correct - and that small window proves to us there is plenty of room to be different. Same with the 99.5% difference in human races. Plenty of room for blacks, whites and asians to be different.

And we are different. As I said before - that's okay! But we must acknowledge there are differences - just as our eyeballs tells us on a daily basis (beyond skin color). A lot of it is cultural - I stipulate this. And a lot of it could be genetic.
Darwinian evolution is fake.
This is more like natural selection of certain breeds and bottlenecking. Wolf to various dog breed but environmentally driven.