He didn't get a lot of practice at that during the games this past season as he was routinely guarding 4 and 5's in the post. I hope we don't see that anymore, Hell we probably could have made the NCAA championship game with a decent Center!
Where things stand with Iowa, Alvaro Folgueiras
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The link was read. It took me back to a post from someone who disagrees with almost all of the national commentators, former coaches and essentially anyone who has a basketball IQ so I discounted the information. The poster from the link may want to stay away from providing an opinion on how a defense should be played in that situation.
Thus, the part about Iowa running a good play.
I said the strategy was to force a catch moving towards the the inbounder.
Iowa executed a play that allowed them to do what Florida didn't want.
Read better.
Do you actually think I haven't watched the play?
Watching and understanding are two different things. I think you have a problem with the understanding part.
Ah yes, I see now where I could have read better.
Your football analogy, though, has little application.
Again, simply watch a few games and you will see very few teams allowing completely uncontested catches in that spot.
Yes, there are special plays that can be used against a defense that the other team feels gives them its best chance
That was with a lot less time on the clock and from a different inbound spot. Also more crucial for Iowa to have all their bodies closer to the glass. Completely different calculus.
You deserve credit for realizing the rest though
Why does the inbound spot matter after a made basket? They can run the baseline.
And Iowa scored in 4.4 seconds. Florida had 4.5 seconds.
I guess we will just have to disagree - without saying you are wrong.
Or, I could offer easy answers.
The inbound spot (had Iowa not ran the baseline) was of huge importance. It's been explained a couple times in this thread.
Iowa would not have scored in 4.4 had Stirtz not caught the ball moving towards his basket. Thus, the importance of making some clock burn, by forcing a tougher catch, with that much time left
Iowa's play was not choreographed on the fly.
So essentially, you're cementing my position. Iowa was able to prepare for and possibly anticipate that defense, because it was a completely reasonable defense for Florida to use.
Why would Iowa have the perfect play drawn up for a defense that doesn't make any sense to use?
I would expect you to not understand. You just keep thinking you know what you're talking about.
For all the criticism of Koch, he shot really well down the stretch and we don't beat Florida without him hitting several big "ballsy" three's. He's made solid strides this season, and under Bens tutalage I think he''l end up making all conf teams...
I know this may be hard for you, The team is smart enough to see the type of defense and know how to react. He saw a stupid defense and made the right decision. But you just keep thinking that Florida made the right decision.
And what about the part where the play was drawn up in the timeout?
No need to dig yourself even deeper
The inbound spot isn't fixed after a make, hence the zero importance of it. The only person trying to make it important is you by repeating yourself and vaguely referring to it being explained in this thread by guess who...also you. I know I said back to ignore but half the thread is replies to your complete lack of awareness or trolling. If trolling, congrats. But even trolls don't take as consistently dumb stances as you love to. Anyway, 0-0 and run the ball. Unless the inbound spot is important after a make. Then stand with your feet in cement to make a hypothetical argument point on a message board.
Alright, during the timeout I saw how stupid Florida was going to be on defense. I'm not disputing that Iowa did the right thing, I said that in my fist post, but what Florida did was stupid. If you think it was the correct defense, then I guess that makes you ..... too.
Why wouldn't he run the baseline? Why wouldn't Florida run the baseline? It's not an obscure rule.
Iowa also would not have scored in 4.4 seconds if Florida had their guys playing softer ... keeping Stirtz in front of them. Perhaps trapping him after he got the ball.
And if Iowa put full court pressure on Florida for their last shot, maybe they could have scored in less than the 4.5 seconds remaining by breaking the press quickly.
Stirtz was given a slight screen when cutting, got a perfect pass from Cooper (I think) and the rest is history. That play was drawn up definitely. Cooper (I think) even looked to his left to possibly freeze defense for an instant.
Iowa had to make a choreographed CHOICE to run the baseline to avoid being behind the basket. And Florida knew that. Thus, Iowa's ability to set the play up in that manner.
Yes, it's been explained in the thread
Iowa set it up that way. Florida recognizes the intiial angle as being advantageous for them. They don't know Iowa is going to run the baseline until it actually happens. If anything, Florida was lulled into a moment of comfort that allowed the screen from that side to be surprising.
Again, there are very few teams playing that situation softly these days. And nobody is willing to risk trying to trap a guy like Stirtz in that spot. He's too good of a passer that can see over most defense. And it's far too risky someone can break free when trapping.
Pick one. Do you want them playing soft? Or completely gambling with a trap? You've contradicted yourself.
Full-court pressure isn't the objective of anyone there. Again, it's about a deep catch not moving towards the offense's basket
I thoroughly enjoy the poster thinking
‘It has been explained’ as if that poster ‘explaining’ with their lack of knowledge makes it true.
The poster will probably link back to themselves and do the ‘see, it’s on the internet it must be true’
Keep posting, you may get something correct. It hasn’t happened yet but you keep trying.
Have you ever thought about posting about something you have some actual, accurate knowledge about?
‘It has been explained’ as if that poster ‘explaining’ with their lack of knowledge makes it true.
The poster will probably link back to themselves and do the ‘see, it’s on the internet it must be true’
Keep posting, you may get something correct. It hasn’t happened yet but you keep trying.
Have you ever thought about posting about something you have some actual, accurate knowledge about?
The play was for Bennett to get as far as he could and get a shot to tie it up. How they ended up defending the play opened up the opportunity for Folgueiras to get the 3 to win.
Florida knew Iowa didn't want to inbound the ball into the back of their own backboard thus resulting in an instant turnover? Holy ****. Stop the presses.
2 things. 1) The inbounder can receive the ball anywhere on the baseline from the referee. Setting yourself directly under the hoop is something only you would think is a viable and therefore necessarily schemed option.
2) Cooper intentionally (or coaches if you want to be obtuse, which I'm sure you do) set up to the left of the basket, thereby giving himself and the play a chance to develop to the right. Guess what he had to do in the process...you guessed it. Run the baseline. Egads, even running under the basket! If Florida knew as much why did they play such atrocious defense. All of this has been explained in the thread. Read better. And don't run the ball. Unless the other team knows you will, then do, but only if it's a newfangled idea that no one has ever heard of.
Dunce.
This thread got totally off the rails. What is Folgers doing?
That's what that moron Eyes does, he derails threads he doesn't like.
I heard that a meet and greet for Alvaro on the 12th at the Vine was cancelled. Could be one of the first signs that he's out.
He’s gone. Officially tomorrow
You guys sure can be exhausting!
I'm not even sure what's being argued here.
Florida used a very common defense that they felt gave them their best chance. Again, common enough that Iowa could reasonably prepare for it.
Iowa drew up a play that had almost no margin for error and executed it perfectly.
What's all the butthurt even about? It's just you guys choosing to be blatant idiots, like you always do
There shouldn’t be an argument. Congratulations!!!! You got one correct.
There is an overwhelming almost unanimous group of basketball experts who thought Florida made a bad defensive choice.
Then there is you.
As has been previously posted to you
Just because you post it doesn’t make it accurate or true.
The same way that you linking to your post also doesn’t add any credibility to your position.
Also the same way that you repeating the same unfounded and inaccurate opinion won’t all of a sudden make it true.
So no real argument, there is the an overwhelming consensus…. And then there is you
Wrong. There is no overwhelming consensus. That's how you make it out to be.
And there is no need for any concensus at all. You're getting your answers from other people, supposedly. If you know ball and simply watch the play, you'd have all the answers you need.
Florida wasn't beaten by being in the wrong defense. They were beaten by what Iowa did to their defense.
Again, how is it that the Iowa staff was able to have a play ready for a defense that would never make sense for Florida to play?
They didn't. Simple answer is Florida was in a very common defense, if you want to talk consensus.
Educate yourself. You are not worth my time
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Other than the high basketball IQ crowd that thought it was a poor defensive call. Other than those people.
They are the people. Essentially those of us who have played the game and then there is you and your opinion.
Other than you are there experts you can share that said Florida was in the correct defense? Other than the Florida apologists attempting to save face
Not going to disagree, but that doesn't change the fact that Florida played it incorrectly.