The absolute dumbest argument ever made. If I had a tag on my bike you'd still hate me so who cares. Also, my 15 lb bike isn't damaging the roads that tags help pay for.
OT: Bike vs Car, who is at fault?
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I just saw this responded to and missed it, so I will pile on.
Your post is a scorchingly hot dumb take.
- tags fees largely go to road maintenance, improvements, patrol, etc. My bicycles cause almost 0 wear. It would collect what...like $.50 from people?
- I already pay tags fees for my vehicles. If I then ride my bike instead of driving those vehicles, I am transferring miles from something that causes road wear to something that basically doesnt. So if anything...I am effectively funding MORE for the cost of those tags than I would be if I drove those miles instead of riding them.
- As for insurance, if I were to be at fault for a collision while I was riding a bike on the road, my homeowners policy is used(renter's insurance typically covers this too). Additionally, many people's auto insurance will cover that issue, if there is a 2-wheel coverage. Lastly, the cost of damage in many scenarios where it is the cyclists fault will be relatively low, since a cyclists is relatively light and slower moving, so costs could be paid out of pocket.
If the collision is the driver's fault, then it doesnt really matter what insurance the cyclists has.
So...yeah. Really bad points on your part.
Why is that dumb? A bike could still damage a car if it runs into one or does something wrong that causes a car to run into the bike or run off the road and hit a light pole. That is why insurance is mandatory for those driving on the roads. Also roads still have to be maintained and time & weather do as much as anything to break them down. Why shouldn't all vehicles who use the roads pay for that? Bikes don't pay gas taxes so you get a break on that. The registration fees and insurance for bikes should be lower commensurate with the lower profile but it makes sense to me that it they are going to play they should should pay when it comes to using public roads..
I'll happily pay a registration fee and insurance but it still won't stop people for trying to run me over just because I'm on my bike. Also, homeowners insurance would cover and BI/PD I might cause you. And, I have 4 vehicles so I pay plenty of taxes for your roads.
That’s the most ignorant response I’ve ever seen. You want to share the road? Pay for it *****
#victimTrue. But if people are trying to run you over you riding in places I would never dream of riding. There’s a lot of a$$hole drivers out there & even more who are on their damn cell phones. It’s just too dangerous.
I addressed your complaints fully. Your complaints have solutions already.
As for me paying my fair share, if you feel like my explanation doesn't rise to the level of 'fair share', then tell me how much it should cost. Do actual math and calculate the tag cost per mile driven at 12,000 mi for a sedan or suv, then further calculate it based on weight.
Apply that to a bicycle's weight and estimated mileage. Say 25# for the bike since that would be a good middle ground weight and 1000mi since exponentially more people ride fewer than that compared to more than that.
Do the math and post how much a bicycles registration cost should be.
Oh, and this doesn't even factor in the fact that vehicle value is part of what a registration is based on. Just leave that off since it would only further hurt your argument.
I really would think the focus should be on shaming those who drive dangerously.
There have been multiple people in this thread crying over cyclists breaking road rules.
Meanwhile, everyone that drives dangerously and illegally is just kinda...accepted.
It's an interesting thing to see.
Nobody is “ trying” to run you over. You just need to pick your spots better. The mind set of bike riders needs to go from “ we have the right” to
change your tampon kid
Between this and your prior response, it is clear you aren't interested in having a genuine conversation.
Could have just said that at the start.
I didn't berate you on brevity.
I said you aren't interested in genuine conversation because the two responses I mentioned aren't sincere.
I originally thought car's fault until I realized the biker is not only on the sidewalk (where he shouldn't be) but he is also going the opposite way of traffic (toward the camera). The car has no reason to expect something to come flying into the crosswalk from that direction; they are looking left at the oncoming traffic. The biker needs to pay for any damage to the car, and I hope they have decent medical insurance. The biker may have a better case against the business/shopping center that put up the tree and signage that makes it hard to see what is coming (not that I support that side, but its an option).
While a biker has the right to be on the road, he has to follow the laws, also....
Not enough info from what I see to really determine.
Not enough info from what I see to really determine.