So the only difference now is Warner is being paid by the university to continue what he has been doing?
The position doesn’t pay a lot so I wasn’t expecting a home run. Was hoping for someone outside of the brands Iowa bubble.
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The position doesn’t pay a lot so I wasn’t expecting a home run. Was hoping for someone outside of the brands Iowa bubble.
Me too. But thems the breaks.
Warner wasn't coaching this past season. He was chillin with Bobbybigbucs
So now Willie is also reporting it’s Warner… I’m sure Warner will help a lot with recruiting, especially in the Illinois front.
It’s not the greatest splash but I do think he will help 184/197/HWT. He wrestles with the guys and Buchanan did contribute some of his success to Warner in some of his interviews.
Not the flashiest hirer but I’m sure it is still a great hire. I do think he will help a lot with the recruiting, especially in IL.
It’s not the greatest splash but I do think he will help 184/197/HWT. He wrestles with the guys and Buchanan did contribute some of his success to Warner in some of his interviews.
Not the flashiest hirer but I’m sure it is still a great hire. I do think he will help a lot with the recruiting, especially in IL.
Agree. Earlier I threw his name as a general manager because of his background as a business student and coming of age in the NIL era to embrace it something that is a complementary piece all staffs need.
He did an interview with Brian Shaw a while back and was very well spoken on a number of subjects which is back to your point of relatability. A ton of top assistants were huge names but do all the dirty work you need. Personally would of like to see an outside hire but this checks a lot of boxes.
Buchanan gave Warner a lot of credit after one of his interviews at NCAAs either the semi or final btw.
Your post reads like you are trying to convince yourself that you like the hire but really dont.
Terry, in that recent interview, said no offense to Bobby, but this hire has to be an upgrade. How is jwar, with no experience, be an upgrade?
Please tell me you're not comparing Warner to Cunningham and Varner?
Varner is a flipping gold medalist and 4 time finalist, 2 time ncaa champion.
Casey was an NCAA champion and spent 8 years as a head asst coach before jumping on board with Cael.
Jacob seems like a good dude and may very well be a solid coach but come on man... he's not going to help this program make the substantial changes they NEED in order to compete with the PSUs and OKsts.
As far as giving him credit for Ferrari (#1 P4P recruit) and Buch, that's a HUGE reach...
He's from downstate Illinois, not nearly as strong as the suburban Chicago area. Solid talent downstate but guys like Davino, Mendez etc... are not from JW's area. I'm not trying to crap on this hire but for a program in need of a major shot of new life, this ain't it.
I'd venture to guess he will make more than half of all B1G assistant coaches. So pretty good for an entry level guy. Remember, this role makes more than what's reported by the U of I. The HWC covers part of the compensation.
Just so we are clear, Jacob Warner has been in the room most every day for the last two years. What has he been doing for a job? Honestly have no idea.
Jacob Warner is a good guy. This program is at or near a crossroads. This was a huge opportunity to infuse an outside perspective and fresh ideas into the room and program. Instead, we get a guy who wrestled at Iowa for 6 years and has spent the last 3 years in and around the program. Nearly a full decade. AKA, just more of the same. That's what's frustrating.
It isn't really about JW. Right guy, wrong time.
I love Warner, he’s a great ambassador to the program. I was just hoping it would be someone outside of Iowa that might bring some more excitement for the fans, commits, and recruits.
But Warner can still train with the guys, knows the room, has shown he has the ability to help guys grow in their wrestling ability, and is really good with recruiting.
I would always hear that he would host the recruits, when he was a student athlete, and help get them on campus. So I do believe he will be great with recruiting, especially in the great state of IL. We need some guys that are in IL right now.
So yeah, I’m somewhat disappointed BUT I do believe this is a really good hire. Was just hoping for an outside hire.
Terry has worked extensively with the uppers in the past as well. I don’t think Warner is it.Can wrestle everyday for one.
Not sure how to explain it, and clearly TNT saw a difference, but JWar is an upgrade from Bobby. For all the things I mentioned above. He's a HC-in-waiting type.
Nah. I would never compare credentials.
I was simply pointing out to Sabula that coaching is coaching. Regardless of what kind of athlete a guy was, doesn't necessarily translate into how they coach. It's why I mentioned TNT as well. They wrestled as free as anyone ever, with an attack rate second to none. They weren't just great handfighters. But has that translated to Iowa as a team? Nope.
If you told me that Varner would be a coach who could get guys to open up, based on how he wrestled - NONE of us would believe that.
Warner wasn't in the room this past season.
the rest of what you're saying? Absolutely fair.
Think about golf for a second. Most of the VERY BEST coaches never made it on tour. Should they not be able to coach? Just like golf, wrestling takes special innate abilities to actually do at the very highest level. However, that doesn't mean that many do not know how to do them.
Some simply aren't fast enough, or strong enough, or able to build their gas tank deep enough. Some don't have the flexibility and can never develop it past a certain point. Some may have simply not had the mental makeup to do it in the heat of battle. NONE of that means you can't TEACH it at the very highest level. In fact, I would argue that many that couldn't do it spend MORE time trying to find out why they couldn't and what was necessary to be able to do it.
In short, many that couldn't quite be the most elite of elite become students of the sports, much moreso than many that could naturally accomplish it. EVERYTHING about Warner showed he was a true student of the sport. If the argument is simply RECRUITING value, that is an altogether different subject. But, flat out coaching, I would say his work with guys at Iowa has shown he is very good at the actual coaching ON the mat...
Not at all.
I said he's the "type." But obviously, not for the reasons we all want (big name). Pure coaching? Kid is really freaking good.
So he didn’t have anything to do with Ferraris success. Which is it? He either was in the room and helped Buchanan and Ferrari or he wasn’t in the room.
Well…
I hope it works out. I wish I could say in TnT I trust like we can say in Kirk and in Ben…
Gotta think he probably helps out with Illinois recruiting at the very least.
I don’t wish ill will on the program I support it just really feels like they can do better.
But there’s also a reason I’m a **** poster on a message board and not making these decisions
I hope it works out. I wish I could say in TnT I trust like we can say in Kirk and in Ben…
Gotta think he probably helps out with Illinois recruiting at the very least.
I don’t wish ill will on the program I support it just really feels like they can do better.
But there’s also a reason I’m a **** poster on a message board and not making these decisions
Do you remember true freshman Ferrari?
The one that wrestled 5 dates and wrestled 5xer Starocci evenly? That was all Warner
If he can instill whatever March mindset he had as a wrestler in his athletes and also effectively teach some big guy tilts that would be neat.
He was there Angelo's entire true freshman season...
New Cesspool™ may just be crazier than old Cesspool™.
@vhsalum is defending Brands against the detractors....
@vhsalum is defending Brands against the detractors....
NOT defending Brands. But this is where we are and I'm a fan of the team. Warner is a great hire. Not the hire I personally wanted (Nolf), but he's a really good coach. I'll defend him personally.New Cesspool™ may just be crazier than old Cesspool™.
@vhsalum is defending Brands against the detractors....
It's clear Tom doesn't think like the rest of us, and that the 2027 class is going to be the bees knees. We're all just in for the ride gentlemen!
Hard to respond without making it sound like I'm dissing Warner, who by all accounts is a great guy and who gave it his all as a Hawkeye. I died a thousand deaths when he took an ill-advised shot and lost to Dean at nationals.
So nothing against him personally, but you couldn't pick someone who has less potential to move the needle either in terms of the Hawks' wrestling style or their ability to land high-end recruits. TnT do the same thing over and over and yet I keep expecting different results. Fool me once . . .
So nothing against him personally, but you couldn't pick someone who has less potential to move the needle either in terms of the Hawks' wrestling style or their ability to land high-end recruits. TnT do the same thing over and over and yet I keep expecting different results. Fool me once . . .
Tell me they’re grooming him to be the next head coach without telling me they’re grooming him? He apparently has the stamp of approval from Bobby Nic?
Now you're just trolling. Zero chance you're typing this with a straight face. Angelo was #1pfp recruit. As we've seen, a lot of those guys come in and are competitive immediately. Hell based on what we saw at this year's nationals, you could argue AF has underperformed thus far. That would certainly be more accurate than giving a non coach credit for "all" of his success.
JWar is a polarizing guy from go. He was a 4x AA but was never able to break through to the top and he had a number of head-scratching losses.
I've dedended him on this board and among wrestling friends, never discount a 4x AA, but this is a "prove it" hire.
TnT are gonna TnT, so all we can do is hope that Warner can help Gabe, Angelo, Ludd and BK take the next step. If not, Warner will be looking for new work with TnT.
You don't have to be a superstar to be a great coach, sometimes a 2nd tier guy can be a great coach and a solid addition to a staff. If Warner is the hire, I hope that's the case and he can make us better.
I've dedended him on this board and among wrestling friends, never discount a 4x AA, but this is a "prove it" hire.
TnT are gonna TnT, so all we can do is hope that Warner can help Gabe, Angelo, Ludd and BK take the next step. If not, Warner will be looking for new work with TnT.
You don't have to be a superstar to be a great coach, sometimes a 2nd tier guy can be a great coach and a solid addition to a staff. If Warner is the hire, I hope that's the case and he can make us better.
To be fair, Warner is a good hire for any non-top tier program. It is the type of hire that should keep us near the top of the also rans. I guess that is our goal now.
The position doesn’t pay a lot so I wasn’t expecting a home run. Was hoping for someone outside of the brands Iowa bubble.
The position pays plenty--This position gets pay and benefits through the U of I, AND pay from HWC. Might be among the highest paid 4th assts in the country.
The position pays plenty--This position gets pay and benefits through the U of I, AND pay from HWC. Might be among the highest paid 4th assts in the country.