No objective observer would fire Pope this year. The emotionally immature fans would fire him, but no objective fan would fire him. He will and should get a third year. Let’s hope his team stays healthy and he gets the chance to make his case.
The hatred and personal attacks are childish, and frankly, embarrassing, and..
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If Pope had a great class coming in and this was pre NIL your post would make more sense. The reason your arguing from a position of extreme minority is because people realize it’s the NIL era, he cannot recruit even with money, he’s 0-27 on ( star talent which is unheard of, his past record is terrible and it was a mistake hire. You add it up and no he shouldn’t get a 3rd year under those circumstances no matter how may in that minority want to throw it in a wash and pretend it’s 1985. We’ve also got other blue bloods hiring and getting reason to hire, it would be best given his awful recruiting to be proactive and call it. All things you don’t seem to understand.
Now he’s getting a 3rd year, but really he shouldn’t. Kentucky shouldn’t have hired him to begin with and they should pull the plug now. We’re already seeing some of the guys he’s possibly interested in and of course it’s guys that won’t cut it here but it’s all he can get. Mark is here because of a terrible AD who’s moved out over it most likely. I’d pull it now, but the next AD needs to pull it next season no questioned asked.
So you agree with OP that name calling is wrong and then call those that disagree cucks. Yeah guess that makes sense...
People lived through Tubby they know how this movie goes. Well Pope is less than version of Tubby actually.
And he couldn’t even recruit some of his old players like Saunders even after taking his wife to the airport. That’s how s.hit of a recruiter he is.
In and of itself, that isn't a compelling example. Saunders stayed at BYU and maybe for good reasons? Had he transferred to UNC or Duke or Tennessee, I could see it as being very bad. So, my question is: Why did he stay at BYU? That is far more important than saying that he chose not to transfer to UK.
I looked it up. Saunders is a devout Mormon who loves BYU. He and his wife prayed about it and decided to stay in Utah. I really don't think Saunders is a good example of a player not wanting to play for Pope. Apparently, nobody was going to get him to transfer. He was Kevin Young's to lose.
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Did you even read my post? No. You clearly did not.
it is interesting that you take offense, however. Did you think I was calling you a cuck? Interesting.
No I actually kind of find it hilarious. Just like OP saying it's childish to call Pope names and then call Cal everything under the sun.
I find it interesting that you felt the need to create a strawman argument in response to my post to another poster.
It’s actually insane. They see him as the anti-Cal and it seems like Pope is starting to believe that himself.
I think a lot of it is uncertainty because of not having any recruits. If we had a top 3 class waiting in the wings then I think people would be a lot less panicky. We don't. We literally have no one.
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I wanted Cal to succeed. He quit. I am not sure why he is relevant.
Starting to feel like butthurt Cal fans are driving all of the repeated ugliness.
Starting to feel like butthurt Cal fans are driving all of the repeated ugliness.
Yeah he is, his list of stats on his radio show the other day was so embarrassing
Everyone knows where a 3rd year is leading. Once we know next year’s team, I think we’ll be validated that this is just another last year Stoops/Joker. I hope I’m wrong but if Pope loses the all-time-wins record, I’ll never forgive him.
Some of us are celebrating Hart leaving, but I think we should be careful what we wish for. He already hired one of his Mormon pals as totally-not-the-GM. Watch him replace Hart with another BYU guy. Think our portal recruiting was bad with Hart? It’s possible it gets worse.
I hope I’m wrong. But I don’t want to be BYU East.
Just keep scrolling. I do it a lot.
Hell, I think we all HOPE he gets it figured out. My worry is HE HOPES he gets it figured out too. Hope is a bad strategy.
I live and coach in MO and go to quite a few games. While some numbskulls on here might have said that, nobody that pays attention thinks Gates is a quality coach.
The savior stuff is overvalued. At the end of the day they lost 12 games and quite a few were head scratching blow outs. Last year he did what any competent coach could've done. This year he did what any 12 yr old with a solid knowledge of basketball could've done. Kidding, sort of.
Lots and lots of thinned skinned "victims" in the world today
It's amazing the level some get down to when trying to justify that first year. I said it in a previous post, it's what any competent coach should've been able to do.
Looking back, last year was bizarre. On one had like you said, 12 losses. On the other hand we set the record for top 15 wins including a couple top 5 wins. So when I factored in the fact that he built a staff and roster from scratch in 5 weeks I thought yeah man, we have something here. Even though I hated the hire I was happy to be proven wrong. But all my original fears are now being realized.
But to the original point, yeah it got to the point that anytime Cal lost a game this board would fall in love with the coach who just beat us. They fawned all over Gates for a bit.
Not true. We have the dudes that just lost 14 games, minus the two best players from that team. Until they enter the portal. It's almost like we have less than none ATM. Why? Because Pope is committed to bring THOSE dudes back. The dudes that lost 14 games. Except the two best players from that group are out of eligibility.
That's logical thinking. But there are plenty on here that will buy the Pope-agenda that will get spewed. I wonder if this year it will be a Lamborghini instead of a Ferrari?
It doesn’t, but I explained that. It made sense in 1985, it doesn’t make sense now. Argue the points. Why should he get a 3rd year GIVEN what I said. Start with the money he’s been given and trajectory in recruiting, also consider his past recruiting and make the case.
Yeah, we can't let the facts get in the way of a Pope bash. Come on......
We have to grind him into the ground and make him suffer........ Pathetic.
I don't believe you understand the definition of a strawman, nor a cuck. But carry on.
I am only doing this because you demanded. The rehashing of the rehash and redundant arguments on this board are tiresome. Nevertheless, I reject your false ipse dixit conclusion that I am presenting a minority, let alone an extreme minority, view.
He has actually recruited. People realize that recruiting today, in the era of NIL AND the portal, does not just mean high school recruiting. Pope has done both. He recruited Mal Moreno, Jasper Johnson, B Hawthorne, Trent Noah, and Collin Chandler as high school grads. He also recruited Kobe Brea, Amari Williams, and all of the portal players who have been Wildcats these two seasons.
Sensible people see last year’s gauntlet as a really really good coaching job with historic wins, even in the midst of roster changing injuries.
I don’t think this year’s roster was as good, but again he had roster changing injuries and a late departure at PG that would have made a huge difference.
Another baseless conclusion stated as fact. The people who disagree with you don’t think it’s 1985. You may attempt to comfort yourself and act like you don’t have to address the truth just because you so characterize them as such, but that delusion is on your. Not them.
Jobs change and flip every year. How is that I don’t understand that? And, what other coaches lose their jobs or positions open is completely irrelevant to the fact that objective people know Pope should not lose his job this year.
Yeah, he should
Again, an irrelevant opinion to the issue of whether he should be fired.
Irrelevant. And, just your opinion.
Dude, you did not make a case. You just vented.
You are permitted to believe any wrong thing you want. Have at it.
But when you create a fake argument to pretend to knock it down, it’s a strawman argument.
“So you agree with OP that name calling is wrong and then call those that disagree cucks.”
No one but the poster said I agree with the OP’s name calling post. Only him and, evidently you. Maybe in a dream. But not in the real world.
Oh no. Not the meme response! How will I get through the day!!! Such cleverness.
“Ipse dixit” gah we got a Bobby Einstein here.
Sorry for using hard to understand words.
Dang you feminine men are hateful. No need in being that way ol buddy idc how you are. I’m nice to everyone. When you name had battle bum I knew it had to mean what I think it means
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