Lol. Bullied? Sheesh man. Just sheesh. Time for a deep breath and a bit of perspective. Nobody is taking your lunch money. And unless you're a teenage girl, bullying on a message board is kind of a reach.
The hatred and personal attacks are childish, and frankly, embarrassing, and..
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Kev is blinded by the Pope gaslighting it seems. If you put Calipari in this position he’d be railing. I think deep down he could admit that. Put Calipari’s face in the last 2 years and it would be a different post.
He has at max one more year in my opinion. Again we shall see soon enough or we make a change. Also predicting the future isn't something I would bet on. We do not know how next year plays out and we also do not know who UNC hires or how successful that will be. Look I have as many concerns as the next person but we have to give the guy one more year. If we dont there aren't going to be other coaches lining up to come here knowing they could be fired with one bad year. Not a good look
It's probably only on desktop, Apple or something. Although the block
works really well tho, people should use it.Everything you said is fair and true. The portal and NIL have changed college basketball in ways we don't even understand yet. May is the best example of getting it done. I find it interesting that UNC, UK, KU, (the 3 winningest programs) didn't get it done. Unlike what happened in football, the national champ is going to come from a program that has had significant tournament success in the past. If Nebraska wins, forget I said that!
Ganner you and this report button. It’s becoming concerning your need to snitch is reaching Pearl levels.
let’s create a RAPPORT button instead. I’ll push mine, and now you receive it….
In my day… we didn’t even use a report button, we walked outside and handled it and then had a beer. I don’t understand the snitching stuff it’s like I’m seeing people genuinely upset they can’t snitch on people. Might be time for me to hang it up.
I'm not against a third year but I wish I had seen some positive improvement this year to warrant my enthusiasm.I'm not a Pope basher but I do think he is in way over his head and that's not his fault, the laziness of Barney in just handing him the keys is what I'm the most upset about..Pope should have been way down the list of potential coaches but instead Barney panicked after buddy Drew (or his wife) turned him down..I f year 3 is a major turnaround, fantastic! but I'm not holding my breath, hope I'm wrong
Lol. I almost want to live in a world where INDIANA wins a natty in FOOTBALL and NEBRASKA wins a natty in BASKETBALL.
Could you imagine, sitting RMK and Tom Osborne down, say in 1985...and telling them in 40 yrs that their school is going to win a title in those sports??? I can't imagine the reaction you'd get from either...but I bet it would be PRICELESS!
I just don't understand why people don't have thick skin. I'm 46 years old if I get into a disagreement with someone I'm not going to go tattle I won't even block them and I haven't never blocked anyone. I don't even care if they personally attack me we are on the internet WHO CARES. This world has become so soft I swear. The Gen X in me coming out I guess....
I think the contract will keep him in place. Used to 3/4 years was understandable. I think we’re in a place with NIL where 2/3 with the cash is more than enough. Just depends on how hard the fallout. Only area I’d disagree is great coaches won’t be scared because Pope was fired. They see the result, they see the recruiting, the roster management etc. they’ll just say it was a bad hire. I think the recruiting is the issue, they’d see a dumpster fire recruiter and assume it had to be done, similar to Gillispie, they knew why he was fired. Didn’t run Calipari off.
Now if he was fired second year with 2 sweet 16’s and a top 10 class coming in? Yes they’d likely have a long talk with UK before coming.
His post isn't about keeping Pope, its about the state of the board dogging people out that don't share the same opinion on Pope. Amd he is right, though it isnt the whole board, more like the same 10-12 folks, some of which I think wear more red than blue lol
You can think whatever you want and honestly there are only like 3 posters who I think are trolls. I think the rest are probably good people but terrible misguided on what UK basketball should be. I have no problem calling out complete nonsense when I see it.
For the most part I have no problem with the things you post, I do think your research on top 5 classes was complete BS and skewed since if you expand to top 10 it falls apart. I also think you did it to try and explain Popes failures, but I also think you did it at a time when we thought Pope knew what he was doing so I don’t think it was purposely misleading, at least at the time posted.
Bottom line, keeping Pope for however long, is gonna show this fanbase how ill equipped this program is prepared to compete in this modern day of college basketball. Sorry if it makes you mad, at both others who say it and the people who put him in that position
It goes both ways. Both sides have gone after each other. Both push agendas. Yes some go overboard but it's not a one way street.
Some petty stuff is reported but some things need reporting that are out of bounds.
Agree. Reporting because you get your feelings hurt is ridiculous but we need to get guys off of here like the racist POS from the other day. Probably wasn’t even a UK fan. Just someone trying to cause trouble.
Yes - but many don't want to keep hearing the SAME bit$& and moaning thread after thread. It is way too tiring.
It's not about "having thick skin." I don't know that I've ever reported something directed at me. My problem is every thread devolving into a flame war between the same clowns over and over. It makes it impossible to sustain a discussion about anything.
Interesting. I gotta disagree. I think it was waaaay worse just after covid. The fanbase was splintered and there were two distinct camps, cal supporters and cal haters and the fight was ON! One this board it wasn't half and half but it was kinda close with the haters holding the edge. Literally every topic evolved into a cal fight. The battle lines were drawn and every poster basically chose a side and we fought daily. No room for impartiality.
What we have today is just basically everyone is miserable. There are no real Pope supporters to fight with the haters. There are like 2 of them and I think they are trolls.
One think is for sure. The next time someone poses the question "who should the next coach be?" The answer better not be "anybody but Pope". Because for years people on there said "anybody but cal" and I think we are finding out that it can ALWAYS be worse. Anytime a program makes a change they are taking a risk. This is not an endorsement for keeping pope. It's just an observation.
I appreciate you considering the nuance at least. The top 5 class thing I stand by and believe it is well-supported but respect your opinion regardless.
No not being dramatic at all on this. There are plenty of people saying it and it gets perpetuated frequently in masse on here that anyone saying he SHOULD get a third year is an enemy of the program. I don’t even defend my position on Pope — I simply tell people I still have some hope he gets it figured out and I get all that. I’ll always speak my mind for better or worse and try to be fair and honest while doing it
He's right on both accounts. Don't get me wrong, I HATED the Pope hire from minute one and I still do. I have very little faith in him at all. But I also live in the real world. Once we crawled in the bed with him we have to get through the night unless there's a scandal or something. If we want to have a shot at a good coach in the future then the university has to display some faith in it's hire and do full diligence before making another change.
tell me you are new to message boards without saying you are new to message boards
Good points. A year ago Pope was hailed as a hero and the savior of the program. A lot has happened since then. But we still cant pretend last year didn't happen. This is why a year 3 is deserved. I also want to see some of these other "hot" coaches two years from now. It wasn't long ago that we had people on this board pining for Missouri's coach when he had a decent first season.
Don’t be talking about coach pope he’s gonna have the Burger King boys kicking butt next year we don’t need all Americans like we used to get
Why can you not move on from Calipari? This is not about Calipari anymore. It is about Pope going on year three with no high school recruits and everyone knows you build your foundation off recruiting. He was just given a ton of money to build a program and what do we have to show for it? Nothing except a bigger mess. He is getting paid the big bucks and he deserves all the crap he is receiving! He should stop trying to mislead the fan base with the hyperboles, take some ownership, fix the problems and win the games. Then the criticism will go away!
Yeah until cal loses people are gonna name call pope more. Pope was left a mess. Boosters hated cal. Pope got left only perry on the roster. The Sec is way better now than it was years ago..
He had bad losses first two seasons but we didn't lose to any small teams Evansville, Unc Wilmington, oakland, etc. Cal only won on sec or NCAA tourney game in 5 years. Cal can recruit but is an awful coach.
His recruiting hasn't been great but we still have eleven players until the transfer portal opens. Jq experiment was high risk, high reward. We had a back up pg and he transfered to villanova, there we relied on johnson and Aberdeen to be back ups. Johnson didn't pan out as well.
Last year lost out on dent, stayed west coast. Ucla only made it to round of 32. Lost out on Pierre, only made it to round of 64. Lost out on Wilkerson, they had to hire his coach to get him. Indiana failed to make tourney. I guess main person we lost our on was lendendouche who didn't come because we had oweh. We were building around oweh.
Substitution patterns I believe were to give kids confidence but they shouldn't have been subbed in. Johnson nor garrison gave us what we needed this year. Noah after getting hurt didn't either. Oweh, chandler( his defense), Aberdeen, mo d, and moreno all improved throughout the season. That's to the ones saying no one improved.
He had bad losses first two seasons but we didn't lose to any small teams Evansville, Unc Wilmington, oakland, etc. Cal only won on sec or NCAA tourney game in 5 years. Cal can recruit but is an awful coach.
His recruiting hasn't been great but we still have eleven players until the transfer portal opens. Jq experiment was high risk, high reward. We had a back up pg and he transfered to villanova, there we relied on johnson and Aberdeen to be back ups. Johnson didn't pan out as well.
Last year lost out on dent, stayed west coast. Ucla only made it to round of 32. Lost out on Pierre, only made it to round of 64. Lost out on Wilkerson, they had to hire his coach to get him. Indiana failed to make tourney. I guess main person we lost our on was lendendouche who didn't come because we had oweh. We were building around oweh.
Substitution patterns I believe were to give kids confidence but they shouldn't have been subbed in. Johnson nor garrison gave us what we needed this year. Noah after getting hurt didn't either. Oweh, chandler( his defense), Aberdeen, mo d, and moreno all improved throughout the season. That's to the ones saying no one improved.
In the era of unlimited NIL and free transfers, I actually think 2 years is reasonable if they don't produce results. It's all about being hot in the moment. Just watch when UNC gets their new coach, regardless of how much notoriety the new coach has, he will inevitably be hot for that moment of taking the job. Assuming his NIL funds are there (and they will be with renewed interest from top boosters), and he has enough time, he will start landing big time transfers. The program will be the talk of the country. Then it will just be a matter of whether or not he can coach them into success. If he doesn't, one more year and if it's bad again you start over.
Pope had a two year window of being the hot new hire at the big time program. That's now gone. The buzz had dissipated. The newness has worn off and we now have a sample size, albeit small, of negative results (relative to the program expectation. So now we are in a limbo third year without excitement, without fresh outlook, without "push" nationally, and he's got to find a way to sell this program. Lob in the fact that UNC will be on fire with their new hire and seemingly competing for every transfer/recruit (obviously money talks), and all-of-a-sudden this job just got exponentially more difficult.
If this is the era of recruit and develop, yes, you've got to give a new hire 3-5 years minimum to get their guys in and developed. But it's not. It's the era of who's hot, and right now UK isn't hot because we're stuck with a dud hire.
It's a free board. There is little to no moderation here.
I actually dropped my membership on the pay side. It started getting ridiculous over there but they don't seem to care much over there either. I guess it's because they don't want to possibly lose that paying customer if they piss them off by reprimanding them.
Although, it's much worse over here, especially the trolls.
I actually dropped my membership on the pay side. It started getting ridiculous over there but they don't seem to care much over there either. I guess it's because they don't want to possibly lose that paying customer if they piss them off by reprimanding them.
Although, it's much worse over here, especially the trolls.
I hate this “year 1 was good” crap. We are acting like he inherited pitino situation. He didn’t. I was more like the situation Gillispie left calipari. Cal went 35-3, elite 8. That’s a good year 1.
not just that either, tell RMK that college foootball will be as competitive as it’s ever been, a pro league, show him the SEC, and say THEN Indiana will go through a gauntlet of a college football playoff to do it, curb stomping elite football programs with mega payrolls to do it.
I still don’t think it’s quite understood. What Indiana did might be the most incredible thing ever done in American sports in all of history.
Man for real. This thread blows my mind. Threads staying on track ended in Y2K. They’ve never done that you’ve got 50 people thinking all sorts of things talking to other off topic it’s always been this way. I also don’t get being literally upset at being unable to control directions on a message board. This is not a country club discussing town politics it’s a sports forum lol. It’s the INTERNET. I don’t know this is pretty wild.
I keep saying this he was handed enough money to land final four PG’s, McDonald’s all Americans. All ACC players etc. it wasn’t like a Pitino situation this is the NIL era. He was hired to win immediately. And he was bounded decisively in the sweet 16, and got beat soundly. He also had no shot at an SEC title. How was last season good? It wasn’t.
Great Post. No problem, you are simply exercising your right to stay an active member of DorkFest.
I don't have that button and I use Chrome browser and Windows 11 on a desktop...but I don't think I'd ever use it anyway; I'd be more likely to just call them an ahole and then put them on ignore.
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This is a reasonable post. The self-flagellating cucks won’t like it, however.