Stop with the "I want this coach"
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I think nate oats ends up at Kansas if self makes a move. If Carolina can’t get one of their top three options he’s probably number four for them. It’s kind of funny how you don’t hear about North Carolina not being able to get their guy. All you hear is about how they should shoot for the moon and it’s all you know none of it’s Lunacy at all in the eyes of the media. I think you could see a situation where golden ends up UNC and nate Oates ends at Kansas. That happened that would be an indictment on the SEC.
It’s gonna be at a basketball school. It’s not gonna be in Tuscaloosa.
Man look...we may never know, but if we offered a basketball lifer like him the job I think he would be here before we hung up
And that is why UK hired Mark Pope instead of Oats, Golden, Hurley, etc, etc, etc?
Who are these coaches that dream of getting a job like UK that are already at extraordinarily successful P4 prgrams?
Toss Hurley out of that group. UK met with him briefly on Zoom I think and he pretty much immediately said no thanks. We all know this but you cannot make someone coach here if they are happy elsewhere. You first sentence just made it seem as though Mitch decided against Hurley when it was Hurley himself who declined.
You know that you cannot make someone coach at UK (or UNC, KU, etc) if they are happy elsewhere and succeeding to the level they dream of.
I know that too.
From reading these threads there are many that think differently; that telling a guy like Golden or Otz that being a historical blueblood like UK, UNC, KU, or IU is reason enough to ditch a place like Iowa St, Bama, Florida, Arizona, etc.
Golden cannot find a better job in college at this point. Florida has the budget, the conference, the facilities and fan base to compete with anybody. He’s not going to Kansas or UNC or even UK.
Oats is the guy that’s most ready to move up to a blue blood. Kansas just isn’t that attractive when you live in the South and UNC may just be dumb enough to stay in their family.
If things go off the rails next season and Oats dodges offers this Spring- he’d be my choice
Oats is the guy that’s most ready to move up to a blue blood. Kansas just isn’t that attractive when you live in the South and UNC may just be dumb enough to stay in their family.
If things go off the rails next season and Oats dodges offers this Spring- he’d be my choice
You will not get what you want.
Name me a couple of things about UK Basketball that makes it a more attractive job than Michigan or Arizona Basketball.
Ready,,, GO!
Like I said, you don’t know that all of those coaches would turn uk down. Lmao that’s hilarious. This poll proves my point. You guys claiming “no one wants this job” cracks me up because you look crazy
NoBodY wAnTs tHiS JoB CuZ PoPe FaILeD…. Blah blah blah
now you all will be trying to say that poll of college coaches is wrong because you Popettes love Barnhart.
now you all will be trying to say that poll of college coaches is wrong because you Popettes love Barnhart.
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Money prestige... Michigan is a football school so is Alabama so oats won't stay there either. I don't think Lloyd would leave Arizona that's true but can't hurt to ask
Why those guys try to act like the UK job isn’t a top job are hilarious. All because they get their feelings hurt when they love a coach that fails. This is their go to thing almost every time
It was the same when it was obvious cal had worn out his welcome people don't like change. Unfortunately we picked a loser so they feel vindicated
Kentucky is still one of the five blue bloods along with Duke Carolina Kansas and ucla. Six if you wanna throw UConn in there that hasn't changed
The best Coaches for high level jobs are the coaches who are decent strategists but ultimately final decision makers. They rely heavily on input from assistants in games. They know how to assemble a strong staff. They are among the top tier coaches who walk into a gym to recruit and immediately get recognized. So much of what we think we see in game situations from coaches is not actually the head coach as much as it is a collective of the assistants and the head coach.
I think people are underestimating how important this ad hire is, if they go in house we're screwed. They are keeping everything awful quite, and I think that's a bad sign.
I most certainly did not say “no one wants this job.“
Instead, I have been repeatedly asking why someone that is currently extraordinarily successful in a Power 5 job would leave that job to come to Kentucky. Guys like Dusty May, Otzelberger, Lloyd, Golden, and such. Now, if one of those successful coaches is not happy where they are, that’s a different story.
So rather than rank really great jobs that would attract mid-level or unhappy coaches, tell me why UK is more attractive than staying at Iowa State, Michigan, or Arizona.
Michigan is a basketball school like Indiana is a football school now that Dusty May is the coach at Michigan and Cignetti is at Indiana.
The old-heads think about the history of these respective programs, but the reality of the current situation is that fans love a hyper successful program. If Will Stein absolutely crushes it with Kentucky football, the Kentucky fan base orientation will also change.
If you don’t know why UK is an attractive job over most schools than you’re not a fan of the program. Plain and simple.
Of course, Kentucky is a better job than “most schools”. This thread is not talking about “most schools.“ It’s talking about the elite 10 best coaches in the country, who are likely extraordinarily happy with their current situations.
So give me objective reasons as to why the Kentucky job is a better job for Tommy Lloyd than Arizona, for TJ Otz than at Iowa State, tfor Golden at UF, or the Kentucky job is a better job for Dusty May than Michigan.
Objective data, not “because I said so” or a poll rates SEC jobs.
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I wonder why an INDIANA fan is trying so hard to tell us why we can’t get a good coach.
Not sure why a Final Four would remove Lloyd from the list. It didn't remove Calipari or Pitino. I know the game is different now, but I think that's more true for the players than the coaches. I still think a lot of the best coaches would want to coach at the best programs.
That said, I do think a title is likely disqualifying.
I do know this…I’d love to have the confidence an AD would make that call to a guy like him rather than what I’m pretty confident what happened the last time we had an opening.
Did you see the latest from Pope's show? Clown actually saying they were better than Cal's last 4 years.
Oh I do. You’re telling everyone to stop taking about coaching candidates that you don’t feel meet your criteria.
Make no mistake, I think there are coaches that wont just pack their bags because UK raises their skirt.
BUT, let’s all understand UK hired Pope because Mitch is incompetent. Nothing more, nothing less.
Which is exactly my point? OP insinuated Lloyd wouldn't be an option if he made the Final Four. I said Pitino and Cal both had Final Fours on their resume before coming here.
I don't think you understand the thread at all.
Let me help you.
The point of the thread is to show that fans have a lot of knee jerk reactions to coaches. We need a proven coach who can win. The coaches listed in the OP are not yet proven enough to meet UK standards.
Thus, rendering why this was said in the OP: Out of all of those coaches, Tommy Llyod is by far has the highest potential because of his recruiting ability and play style. He has never been to an elite 8 yet. If he can make a final four this year, he leaves this group.
Because prior context above in the content before it defines what would make a coach a proven coach. Therefore, if Lloyd makes a final four he becomes a proven coach. He has never made an elite 8.
It's beyond frustrating that no one reads or has lack of reading comprehension and infer something I never said.
Why would anyone take any new job they'd be offered more money that's really what it comes down to
That’s above my pay grade. Schertz is an obvious choice. Luke Murray? Byington maybe. Travis Steele is a good one
Vandy coach.
U Conn #1 assistant.
Definitely not “nobodies.” Especially if UK wants an attainable coach that could be a long term solution.
Oats came to Bama from Buffalo. May to UM from FAU. Golden from San Francisco. Lloyd, Lucas, and Scheyer as a top assistant first time head coach. That is how it works in the real world.