Why do you care what is discussed on a message board. You do realize no one on this board is going to have even a fraction of a say in who the next coach is or potentially is. Also by your criteria you are eliminating 99.8% (just a guess) of available candidates narrowing it down to a small handful. If you swing and miss with your handful of coaches then what is plan B. Again this is just fan talk. Why should fans on a message Baird stop talking about things involving their favorite team.
Stop with the "I want this coach"
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When are you Bennies going to realize that the “tradition and prestige“ UK basketball is a negative not a positive attraction.
None of these post matter. Pope isn’t leaving unless he steps down. He must be a glutton for punishment. When media members like Matt Jones still pump for him, he won’t step down. Listening to KSR, I’m not sure what more they need to see to come to the conclusion that this won’t work.
I think of the eleven guys you listed as "no", every one of them would take the UK job if offered with the exception of Golden, Hurley and possibly May. Oats I would put 50-50. I think the rest are a quick yes
Miami is one of the easiest schools to recruit to just because of great weather and unlimited things to do year round. Would you as a college age kid prefer Miami, FL over the most northern SEC school? Just a thought!
Careful about saying Alpha! I got ripped by someone for saying it last night and they educated me on the studies of wolf packs and then transitioned to Trump and politics. Using words like alpha and beta send a few off apparently.
Paste is important. It's reasonably similar, paste wise. McCollum's rep and titles are built around his offensive efficiency. His offenses are among the most efficient at all levels annually, including the NBA.
So you disagree that guys like Lloyd, McCollum, Hoiberg, Otz, etc. are eight for eight for these criteria in their current jobs?
- Already exactly where they want to be,
- Already is at a place with no limitations of how big they can win,
- Has a fan base that unconditionally loves and appreciates them,
- Gets paid a ton of money (even if they aren't maximizing their paychecks)
- Has extraordinary control over their respective programs
- Gets along really well with the current university AD and President
- Generally takes joy in outperforming the supposed 'bluebloods' like UK, UNC, Kansas, and IU
- Wants to take on the mantle of turning their current program into a perennial national power
I agree! We should stop talking about coaches, because after UNC and Kansas take the top 2 available, UK will settle for the next Pope or Clyde!
The administration and a decent portion (and growing) of the fan base are so woke AF now, they have forgotten what the sport means to the state and BBN!
UK will fall below IU, and some day soon, our former rivals will start a thread on their fan sites entitled, “Bump this thread when UK sucks!”
Mark my words… This very scenario is knocking at UK’s door as I post this!
The administration and a decent portion (and growing) of the fan base are so woke AF now, they have forgotten what the sport means to the state and BBN!
UK will fall below IU, and some day soon, our former rivals will start a thread on their fan sites entitled, “Bump this thread when UK sucks!”
Mark my words… This very scenario is knocking at UK’s door as I post this!
He recruited Stirtz from Liberty MO HS to Northwest. Stirtz had DI offers. Now Stirtz is going to get drafted in the first round. Point? He can recruit and he can develop...But he ain't going anywhere.
They do...but IMO, when you are, say Otzelberger for example... His rise has been South Dakota State to UNLV to Iowa State. The man is a basketball coach..Did he get into this with the life's ambition of coaching Iowa State? Is that his dream destination? Do you really think he would turn down substantially more money to coach a Blue Blood program like Kentucky, with all the resources and advantages we have, would be a gig he would jump at....ESPECIALLY following Pope instead of Cal. Its one thing to be compared to Cal or Pitino....he will be initially judged vs Pope lol. And he is so much better at his job than Pope its laughable
I’m not so convinced by Oats winning a title, imo. His teams still struggle with defense, but at least according to Kenpom, there’s an occasional team that has decent defense. I could see him make multiple Final Fours but never winning it all. Always a bride’s maid but never a bride.
His wife played at ISU so that would be a possible roadblock.
Not sure Lloyd would want to leave the west, next to him I think I’d go for tj oltzelberger.
Let's use your Otzelberger example and answer your questions:
- Did he get into this with the life's ambition of coaching Iowa State? YES; it's his and his wife/family's dream school
- Is that his dream destination? YES
- Do you really think he would turn down substantially more money to coach a Blue Blood program like Kentucky, with all the resources and advantages we have? YES- though he might use a UK offer to leverage a pay raise. BTW; he makes about the same as Pope currently, and has a $29 million buyout.
- Also, why should he consider UK (or IU, KU, etc) more of a "blue blood" program? He is currently in:
- Just as good a conference
- Just as basketball-centric/passionate a fan base
- Just as good a chance to win a natty
- Also, why should he consider UK (or IU, KU, etc) more of a "blue blood" program? He is currently in:
- He is so much better at his job than Pope its laughable. YES
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I doubt he has P4 offers.
Guys like Stirtz don't come along often.
I'll be shocked if he improves on the 9 seed next season
If weather was the biggest factor in getting recruits. Miami, USC and UCLA would be getting every top recruit in the country. As far as having things to do. These kids live on college campuses. There’s always something to do on a college campus. I believe kids go to schools that have coaches that can make them better and pay them the most money. I’m not saying we’re going to hire Jai. I do think we will regret it when the time comes not hiring him. Most of your great coaches were assistance under great coaches. Coach K is one of the greatest in game coaches of all time. He seemed to always have the perfect game plan and made the right adjustments always. Coach Cal is the greatest recruiter in college basketball history. Jai was an assistant under both of them. He may not end up being a great coach. He certainly has the pedigree.
Great post - "I believe kids go to schools that have coaches that can make them better and pay them the most money."
And I believe coaches go to places that their families love, where they can win and win big with program control and without restrictions, and where they get paid a ton. Based on that Jai Lucas is not interested in UK over Miami.
I agree with you! You can look back on my previous posts, I'm not certain pope is the right guy! But these fans that allow there emotions to take over is ridiculous! They are asking for pope 2.0!
Since MITCH dropped the ball last go around,this was and is not the year to get a new coach!
1st. In my opinion it'll be hard to get a top coach to leave a good/great situation that they would leave
to come to ky! Also not sure that we can swing a crazy offer financially with stoops and pope buyout on the books!
2. You don't have a clear list of secondary candidates. Next year should provide some separation.
3. While pope may not be the right candidate, I do think he should have 1 opportunity to correct a miss on his roster. Last year he had a competitive roster before the Butler/Robinson injuries! I really believe we would've made elite 8 to final four with a healthy roster. He had no players to start with when he was hired!
I can't remember specifically, but I don't think any were P4. I know he had an MVC or two, at least one OVC, and I think an AAC or two. It's hard to both remember and then sort out what conference some of those schools were in then vs. now too.
Prepare to be shocked. I can't imagine Ben McCollum losing 10 games many more years. But I guess if it's only next year, you could be correct. As long as he's at Iowa, he'll be a 1-4 seed more often than he will be a 8-10. The dude is just a winner.
He’d be nearly 80 years old by the end of that “4-5 year” stint.
So, no, I would not. It’s bad enough that we choose fading geriatrics to be our political leaders, let’s not also hire them as our coaches.
You have a lower opinion of what being the Head Basketball Coach at the University of Kentucky is than I do if you think Iowa State is equal to this gig
I think that if someone had all of those things at Kentucky they would never consider a different job. And the theory applies to other schools too.
So tell me; what specific points did I make that you disagree with?
He's definitely the perfect Iowa coach.
He's kinda in the same boat as UK coaches in that he can't rely on in state talent to build a program.
What is available, he'll have to battle Otz for.
Yeah...I think that dynamic is extremely interesting. I think they are both where they want to be. That's a budding in state rivalry that could be extremely fun to watch over the next number of years.
I disagree with the fact that his wife played at ISU means he would stay there over Kentucky. He played at Wisconsin-Whitewater, would that be his dream job if he were single?
It would be like someone saying my wife is a Lawyer in Texas and I am now a Senator in Texas...but I am going to turn down being the President of the United States. I don't think so
Stop with the threads complaining about others wanting certain coaches on here. They just want to win and WTH is wrong with that?
Yay another person who didn't read the thread or has major comprehension issues.
I think you might be stretching it there. He's spent over half of his professional career in Ames IA. His wife played there, is from there, and they met when "she was done playing" at ISU and prepping for the WNBA draft. She's about as Ames IA as they come. I think, as UK fans, we certainly understand the pull of the Mrs.
Senator of TX to Prez is akin to Iowa St HC to UK HC? I think you might be overvaluing the UK job as it currently is. Take away the mystique and there are quite a few professional/logistical roadblocks in place. IDK if he's leave Ames or not, but I think it's silly to discount the ties they have to Ames/ISU just because UK comes calling. I'm not sure a vast majority of BBN realizes the mess that we are currently.
Explain Michigan's success.
Illinois
Connecticut
Iowa State
Kansas and Arkansas are flat mudpiles.
You have no idea just like the rest of us who would want this job or not want it. You would have to know those guys personally to know all of their “criteria’s” for a job. I think that you claiming all of those coaches would turn this job down is really irrational honestly. Several coaches dream of getting a job like UK. Lmao saying any different is crazy
If you ever want to send those guys off the deep end just reply to one of their posts and use the word "wrong". They flip out every time.