Military Strikes on Iran Imminent
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It's amazing to me how you have a hard time coming to grips with the fact That I could "like" somebody or even "dislike" somebody and still agree or disagree with some policy decisions/actions of either person. it's kind of like John fetterman. He just came out and said he's in favor of picture ID but won't vote for the SAVE act. He can see the benefit of one part but not another. Most normal human beings can compartmentalize differences.
You on the other hand, dislike trump, maybe even hate him, and that clouds your opinion of everything he does. In my opinion that's nuts.
By the way, I neither like nor dislike trump. I have never met the man, never had a conversation with him, and likely never will. I take the same position as he does when I agree with him and disagree when I'm opposed to his policy or action. I have said numerous times on here, I don't believe that any human being is right all the time, and am pretty certain that no one is wrong all the time either.
So that means there's hope for you. Based on my philosophy, you're bound to be right about something sooner or later.
Makes me sad that just straight up lying is considered “typical” for the most powerful man on the planet.
it is sad, but Trump isn't the first president to outright lie. In my lifetime they all have.
We might be talking degrees, I'll agree there.
Don't use a word with "gism" in it, or JinxyPat will get all worked up and start looking for someone to blow.
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Degrees are problematic to whataboutists these days.
Is it good that Trump isn't an isolationist? That was of epic concern not too long ago.
Still seems so to me. Still pro tariff and pissing off allies. That he seems to be good going along with Israel doesn’t mean he isn’t isolationist necessarily.
Nobody is gonna read all this. lol Are you okay with that, SimplyComplicated?
Another book incoming … in 3,2,1…..
understand. the definition of isolationinst depends on what you do and which foreign country you align with when you engage internationally.
He's managing to be the worst of both worlds. Isolationism can be a good thing in some respects, when you use that time and energy working on self improvement. You can also become an isolationist by focusing negative energy toward those around you, thereby effectively working to isolate yourself from others in a negative manner, and actually harming yourself in the process.
Trump appears to be an isolationist of the latter persuasion.
It's actually the result of his lust for power and adoration (the mob boss mentality) ... you either worship him, or he tosses you aside. So if you can enrich him, personally, he's your fake buddy ... if he can't get you to do what he wants you to do, for his benefit, then you're dead to him. He does nothing for the world, for his country, for his fellow citizens, etc. ... that doesn't benefit him personally.
For sure. Not 100% isolationist. But my read is that we are being led that direction step by step (not that it is a like thought through strategy with steps, but rather that he/we keep isolating all our allies but one little by little with each further decision/taunt/untrustworthiness)
Let me use the mantra that as long as the USA has something Europe wants then they will be our friends
Let the Europeans worry about getting oil through the straits or B OPTION THE USA CHARGES A TRANSIT FEE TO PASS THROUGH STRAITS LIKE A. DAM TARIFF
NO ONE SHOULD TRANSIT THE STRAITS FREE IF AMERICAN BLOOD FREED IT
A protection racket basically. Cause the issue, then charge them to solve it.
The Europeans are going to turn back to Russia for oil and natural gas if this goes on much longer. But you have a very vivid imagination.
Post in thread 'SOLVING THE HORMEZ STRAIT ISSUE OF SAFE TRANSIT' https://www.on3.com/boards/threads/...-issue-of-safe-transit.8735276/post-182894579
"Love" is a complicated concept. With the Miltary With respect to the Pentagon, especially so. For Army personnel, we can go all the way back to 1933 and Douglas MacArthur during his time as Chief of Staff of the Army (CSA), when he created what is now called the, Army Staff Identification Badge(ASIB) a really cool metal badge worn prominently on your dress uniform to signify qualifying service on the Army staff (at the pentagon). Basically you did your time honorably as a galley slave in service to your nation. literally.. nameless, thankless, staff work.
Not sure when the tradition started, but when i was on the Army staff, there were periodic "welcome" events where seriously high ranking individuals woudl attend and speak, to basically front-load thanks and recognition to all the incoming/new staff officers. Wow. They would get almost informal at times with senior leaders on up to the SecDef giving a coulple minutes of unfiltered commentary. Wild. But the intent was obvious.. try and connect the galley slaves with the overall mission. It was effective. Obviously.. i'm still talking about it
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ok so in reaction other countries will, little by little, not contrbute to their own national defense and contribute to NATO (for example) at the level they've committed to?
Sure they will, needing us less, reducing our influence, giving us less leverage in any future negotiations, and having them get friendlier with our rival. Two sides to the coin.
Still pro tariff? Does not come off as a credible argument.
Every president, except one, in the last 50 years used tariffs. Jimmy Carter was the only one to not use them, and that should say enough.
I actually think Trump may implement this. Great idea.
Kinda like Europe causes the issue by not paying their fair share. And then we have to come defend them.
Exit NATO
Needing us less? lol.
All EU combined spend a small fraction of what the US does. Their needs aren’t going anywhere anytime soon.
Yes, because globalization has done so well for the EU and GB. GB manufacturing is now down to 10% of their GDP. They have one, just one virgin raw material steel plant left. Absolutely, they should depend far more on Russia and China. Exactly like what Trump told them years ago, when Germany laughed at Trump. That worked out well also. They should continue on with their green energy nonsense some more. Maybe ever more Europeans can freeze over the winter. All hail Greata the wonder kid. Lmao. Even when the truth smacks y'all in the face, you deny it for a frking political party. 1/2 of y'all here are literally running propaganda and AI nonsense for Iran, just to get Trump.
Grok, is this true?
Yes, substantially true on the facts. Pete Hegseth gutted the Pentagon's Civilian Harm Mitigation offices/staff (from ~200 to under 40) in early 2025, prioritizing "lethality" and criticizing prior targeting safeguards as woke/weak ideological constraints. This preceded the Feb 28 US Tomahawk strike (per Pentagon preliminary probe) on/near a girls' school in Minab, Iran—killing 165-180, mostly children—due to outdated intel with no civilian review team. Ritter's "burned alive" description dramatizes the blast/thermal effects on RT; the core link to Hegseth's cuts holds across NYT, ProPublica, Politico, Atlantic reporting. Full investigation ongoing.
https://x.com/grok
I don't think he believes he's lying. I think he's just a huge narcissist and that's how he responds to criticism. Regardless of the reason it's obvious that Obama & Biden didn't start the problems in Iran.
Much of Europe still buys oil and gas from Russia. They've scaled back but they haven't stopped. The last I read they were spending $1.35 billion euros per month buying Russian energy.
You might be correct but I don't like the idea of having to pay people to be our friends.