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POLL: Should this season be Tom Brands last as HC at Iowa?
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No that was a 1 finger salute. Sign of respect
Not true. Would like to know whose parents told you this? I don't like what's going on with the program either, but I'm not going to sit back and let people try and tarnish a good man's reputation.
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TBF there have been a lot of take down machines in the 100+ years of Iowa HS wrestling. Not a lot of those guys ever wrestled at a high level in the B1G.
I never considered Nelson an elite recruit, TBH. I hoped he would develop into AA and he did.
I listed 14 others, not all from Iowa. Many/most of them were certainly elite recruits. And I could have listed more. My point wasn’t to do with Nelson so much as it was to do with countering the notion that (lack of) development under TNT isn’t a major part of the problem. To me, it’s undeniably obvious that it is.
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Development is a major problem under the current regime. I’d argue the biggest problem.
I dont think its out to tarnish a good reputation by saying something that probably has some truth to it. Its like so many other facets of the staff that haven't really rolled with the times. Its the timeframe they wrestled in. Probably the same with some old timers on this board. Most of us probably had a borderline crazy coach that would lose their s**t on the sidelines. Seemed like it was almost a prerequisite of being a good coach to have a crazy side to them. Contrast that with the examples of successful coaches you see now. All are passionate, but most have a much more chilled approach. That reflects on their teams as well. They tend to be a little more freed up with their style. Im not saying it scares recruits away, but they see the difference in styles. Iowa as a whole generally looks tight, and as painful as it is to say, they wrestle timid. I think you would have to be a little crazy to not at least acknowledge the matside antics contribute to that.
Unfortunately, he seems to be doing a pretty good job of doing that himself. Sheesh
I think this plays a major role in not getting recruits. Gotta prove you can make guys national champs. Bull/kem/eierman/woods not winning a title really hurt.
There is an exception. Before Spencer Lee made is commitment he said, “I just didn’t want Terry Brands coaching against me in the other corner.”
I wish this could have been parlayed into better recruiting.
Watching ADS and Spencer wrestle makes me miss how fearless most of that group was. Those two, Eierman, Bull, Kemerer, Cass. Even Murin and Young but in a slightly different way.
It just feels like that fearlessness is gone. Caliendo is the only one I would say has it.
It just feels like that fearlessness is gone. Caliendo is the only one I would say has it.
They could just retire, or possibly be offered "administrative" work.
I agree, but it's alot easier, or at least more productive, to be fearless when you have high talent. Marginal talent + fearless = counting or seeing stars in 30 seconds.
Maybe but I doubt it. Kicking back or pushing paper doesn't seem in their DNA.
I know he is taking more losses this year, but Drake wrestles fearless.
That’s a good point, he has gotten a lot better about that since the Fugitt loss.
465 "Yes" votes.
Close to a 2/3 to 1/3 ratio of Yes to No votes, respectively.
Close to a 2/3 to 1/3 ratio of Yes to No votes, respectively.
Iowa with no #1 seeds and PSU with six, and two #2 seeds.
It's time for a regime change.
It's time for a regime change.
Once they flip Mikey & Blaze- Iowa won't have anyone in the top 2 seeds.
There was a time a lot of us would have thought Iowa will wrestle way above that seed. Its gonna be ugly the next few eeks. There are no rabbits to pull out of hats.
This isn't fair or accurate. You don't think 125 finishes higher than 8th, 149 higher than 8th, 184 higher than 8th, 197 higher than 13th, or 285 higher than 10th?!? That is half the lineup.
I don't expect it, but I sure wouldn't hate it!
I was talking NCAA's and Big Picture. I refuse to acknowledge the BIG seedings as anything based in reality.
I don’t see TNT coaching collegiately anywhere except Iowa. While this season has been painful, no one bleeds black and gold more than TNT. It is possible Tom might do something administrative, while Terry is a freestyle coach for HWC and/or USA Wrestling.
Harvey is a long shot to AA next year, but Deluca should have a decent shot if his injury isn’t too bad. Can’t believe nobody has heard a peep all season what this injury is that kept him out all year. Has he had surgery?
PSU and now OSU kept getting better and better as the number of top 10, then top 5 pfp recruits kept coming in each year. There is a reason next year will be Taylor’s best yet, and it’s not development, it’s recruiting.
Recruiting follows development. If the top 5 type guys thought they would get better in Iowa's room than Ok St's, they would be at Iowa. What they see is Iowa wrestlers injured and/or underachieving every year while PSU dominates nationals. There is certainly a bet by some that DT will be able to recreate the PSU formula at Ok St, which is not settled, but the one year returns look pretty good taking two career mid-AAs in Hamiti and Hendrickson and turning them into champions in one year in the room.
This will be true in fact only. Everyone understands that Angelo is at least a top 2 184 and a victim of the Big 10's seeding nonsense this year.
This is a stupid thing to say and even in 1.8 seasons, the data shows you're wrong.
Recruiting is 1A, but developing is 1B. Feel free to look back at the top recruiting classes from the past 15 years. Iowa has had their fare share of glorious recruits. They don't develop. You have to do both.
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Maybe the recruiting would be better if top recruits actually thought they could get better in the Iowa room
My friend, living in Nashville the only news / updates I receive come from folks on this forum. I hope he’s a gamer; we need some new, aggressive blood and I hope he’s part of it.
Think you’re wrong VHS…not a stupid thing to say. Like you said, it’s 1a and 1b but you’re much better off if you start with Jax and Bo and don’t have to worry as much about the 1b. And we definitely don’t want to look back 15 years at Iowa; that’ll just make us even more frustrated than we already are.
Great speech from our future coach