Basketball NET / KenPom rankings for the 2025 season
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Today's NET update:
146 - Maryland (down 7 spots)
158 - Rutgers (up 4 spots)
163 - Boston College
168 - Georgia Tech
Other Big 10 teams with losses to RU:
72 - Northwestern
107 - Oregon
125 - Penn State
146 - Maryland (down 7 spots)
158 - Rutgers (up 4 spots)
163 - Boston College
168 - Georgia Tech
Other Big 10 teams with losses to RU:
72 - Northwestern
107 - Oregon
125 - Penn State
Not that it means anything this year but the flaw in the NET system is evident when you look at Rutgers and ranking teams. We beat #72 Northwestern , #107 Oregon , # 125 Penn State and #126 UNLV and beat # 146 Maryland. Penn State Maryland and UnLV were road wins and a neutral win . We are 10-1 in Q3 and 4 Better than other teams with that 1 Quad4 loss to central Connecticut We have no Quad 1 wins at 0-12 but 2-4 in Quad 2. Those other teams have only 1 or none Quad 1 wins and are 1or 2 for 2-14 in Quad 1 and 2 combined . That one win should not cause such a differential and the one Quad 4 loss should not cause such a drop. You cannot be a team that is 5-0 against Northwestern, Oregon , Penn State and Maryland and be ranked that far below from 72to 107 to 125 to 146 and to us at 158. I understand what it measures but that shows ithe flaw with Rutgers behind those other teams.
Rutgers played terribly close inefficient games against a number of quad 4 opponents including a horrific double digit loss on its home court to Central Connecticut State. That baked in a horrible NET heading into conference play. Its one of the worst losses shared by Boston College of all power 5s
Not worth the penalty . The loss is heavily weighted too far. As flawed a team as we are there is no universe that Northwestern is 84 spots ahead of us at 72 and similarly Penn State 33 spots ahead of us and similarly Maryland 10 spots ahead of us. In reality , We are better than Northwestern , Maryland and Penn State .Full stop but the Net says otherwise .i know the criteria but it has a flaw
They all have better wins and across the board better q12 marks without losing to ccsu by 13 at home
Rutgers struggled with every cupcake but Rider
The argument is like asking who is the tallest midget
It makes no difference
Rutgers is a part of a terrible bottom 5 grouping in the Big 10
Rutgers struggled with every cupcake but Rider
The argument is like asking who is the tallest midget
It makes no difference
Rutgers is a part of a terrible bottom 5 grouping in the Big 10
I prefaced my point that is was irrelevant for this year but you willfully ignore we are 5-0 against those 4 other teams. If we beat Penn State and Northwestern loses to Purdue we are not playing on the first day so it above the bottom 4. No one is arguing we have a ton of flaws preventing consistent winning but one positive of the year would be not to play on day 1 of the tourney and your team would be ranked as much as 84 spots below the other teams
While the PSU/Maryland/Rutgers argument is a solid one (they're all pretty much coin flips against each other on a neutral court tonight), I'm not sure how you put Northwestern into the same group. They are well ahead of Rutgers right now...would be something like a 6.5 point favorite on a neutral court tonight.
But when you beat the teams head to head it emphasizes the errors/fallacies in the system. Places too much weight on Central Connecticut loss in December. Impossible to recover ranking wise. An OT loss to MSU prevented us from having wins as good as all others.
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GR Unit said it better than I did. The Net minimizes head to head winning results and extremely punished a Quad 1 loss even just 1
I guess you don’t know our history with Northwrstern. We normally beat them and when we lose it is not by much. Other than Martinelli there is no other matchup that they have over us. Even our limited guards and forwards are better than theirs. I would gladly take your 6,5 points all day every day.
I did not put them in the same group their actual record 5-13 is identical to ours . Hopefully you think 18 games is enough of a sample size and after those 18 the teams are tied and we beat them head to head. Our schedule strength is comparable as well
It's been a series of runs. We lost 7 of our first 8 against them after joining the conference to still somehow trail 8-9 overall
All true, but it does not make them a better team than RU, especially PSU and MD who lost on their home court to RU (and MD lost twice).
Tonight is our last chance to finish the regular season with a Q1 win and a NET better than 150. I'm not optimistic.
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here are the avg ranks...a little more appropriate..RU is 3rd to last in WAB ahead of Oregon and Penn State
| Resumé | Quality | Current Quadrant Records | ||||||||||||||
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| Rk | Team | NET | KPI | SOR | WAB | Avg | BPI | KP | TRK | Avg | Q1A | Q1 | Q2 | Q1&2 | Q3 | Q4 |
| 1 | Michigan 1 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 3 | 1.7 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 6-1 | 11-1 | 9-1 | 20-2 | 4-0 | 3-0 |
| 6 | Michigan St. 2 | 11 | 6 | 6 | 6 | 6 | 12 | 8 | 10 | 10 | 4-4 | 8-4 | 7-1 | 15-5 | 5-0 | 4-0 |
| 9 | Purdue 3 | 9 | 10 | 12 | 8 | 10 | 9 | 7 | 8 | 8 | 5-7 | 9-7 | 3-0 | 12-7 | 8-0 | 3-0 |
| 11 | Nebraska 3 | 12 | 17 | 8 | 10 | 11.7 | 16 | 12 | 17 | 15 | 4-5 | 7-5 | 5-0 | 12-5 | 7-0 | 6-0 |
| 12 | Illinois 2 | 5 | 14 | 13 | 11 | 12.7 | 6 | 5 | 6 | 5.7 | 6-6 | 8-6 | 5-1 | 13-7 | 5-0 | 5-0 |
| 27 | Wisconsin 6 | 31 | 29 | 27 | 27 | 27.7 | 24 | 25 | 22 | 23.7 | 3-5 | 5-7 | 6-2 | 11-9 | 4-0 | 6-0 |
| 35 | UCLA 10 | 36 | 44 | 34 | 32 | 36.7 | 26 | 34 | 30 | 30 | 3-7 | 4-7 | 6-3 | 10-10 | 3-0 | 7-0 |
| 37 | Iowa 9 | 26 | 41 | 33 | 37 | 37 | 34 | 23 | 25 | 27.3 | 2-6 | 3-6 | 7-2 | 10-8 | 4-1 | 6-0 |
| 42 | Ohio St. 11 | 32 | 50 | 39 | 39 | 42.7 | 32 | 27 | 26 | 28.3 | 1-9 | 2-10 | 6-1 | 8-11 | 5-0 | 6-0 |
| 52 | Indiana F4O | 37 | 63 | 46 | 48 | 52.3 | 33 | 41 | 28 | 34 | 2-8 | 2-10 | 3-2 | 5-12 | 6-0 | 7-0 |
| 57 | USC N4O | 68 | 65 | 51 | 50 | 55.3 | 63 | 69 | 63 | 65 | 1-8 | 1-9 | 8-2 | 9-11 | 4-1 | 4-0 |
| 79 | Washington | 58 | 83 | 76 | 80 | 79.7 | 49 | 53 | 47 | 49.7 | 0-7 | 2-9 | 4-4 | 6-13 | 4-2 | 5-0 |
| 85 | Minnesota | 76 | 93 | 86 | 85 | 88 | 69 | 72 | 55 | 65.3 | 1-7 | 3-10 | 3-4 | 6-14 | 1-2 | 7-0 |
| 93 | Northwestern | 70 | 108 | 90 | 88 | 95.3 | 64 | 66 | 64 | 64.7 | 1-11 | 2-11 | 1-4 | 3-15 | 5-2 | 5-0 |
| 113 | Oregon | 106 | 118 | 110 | 119 | 115.7 | 87 | 101 | 90 | 92.7 | 0-8 | 1-13 | 1-4 | 2-17 | 3-2 | 6-0 |
| 115 | Maryland | 156 | 143 | 104 | 105 | 117.3 | 102 | 136 | 131 | 123 | 0-11 | 1-13 | 3-2 | 4-15 | 2-4 | 5-0 |
| 118 | Rutgers | 158 | 139 | 105 | 110 | 118 | 122 | 146 | 137 | 135 | 0-9 | 0-11 | 2-5 | 2-16 | 5-0 | 5-1 |
| 127 | Penn St. | 132 | 137 | 115 | 125 | 125.7 | 124 | 137 | 136 | 132.3 | 0-8 | 2-9 | 0-6 | 2-15 | 3-3 | 7-0 |
Holy crap. While the last three minutes of last night's game was glorious, I didn't expect this much of a jump. Now we have to win on Sunday and lock up a top 150 NET. It's so much less pathetic in my view.
Rutgers scored 21 points in less than 2 minutes after being down 81-66. I wonder the difference from say losing 85-70.
I see Michigan State took a slight ding on their metrics on the team sheet
That’s crazy! Why metrics frustrate me! Izzo extorts his bench to play the seniors on senior night. The moment was too big for them and we make a valiant comeback.
So we are better because of that and not the team being blown out by the starters?
Before you crap on everything Rutgers did last night , Izzo had to call a timeout when we got it to 12 when somehow some way Manny had the best 3 minutes of his entire 3 year career combined. He posted up and scored, got offensive rebounds and scored and got fouled and got defensive and offensive rebounds . That was with about 5-6 minutes to play. So clearly the game was not over.
Plus would it kill you to give the guys credit one time for not giving up , playing the smartest badketbslll of the year and almost completing the comeback. They actually hit 9 shots in a row. That hasn’t happened in forever. They trapped without fouling and when the press was broken they fouled immediately. A perfectly executed end game that was fun to watch. Except for you . Knowing the lack of high end talent n this team , you still cannot bring yourself to give the players that competed and tried hard any kudos. Man. You are a classic.
Yes they are fighting and not giving up . Yes they are better now than the beginning of the season.
That game got real close when 3 walk on seniors could not handle the press. Sorry
All good! Moral victory
It is not a moral victory. But you know what it could do? It could give them confidence next time they get down in a game and after Penn state assuming we win , it is likely to be tested right away. Their confidence and belief that they will win the game by continuing to fight. So many teams give up. There is no sign of that in this group.
Absolutely fair! It could pay off in the one remaining game they have!
They definitely don’t quit but if you watched the entire game I assume you saw what I did
It is admirable they don’t give up but where is that effort and fight when they continually fall in hole after hole. You can’t just ignore half of the game time.
If your team was Kenpom 151 would you want to return or retain most of that team?
In all reality, if the bare minimum of a successful year next year is at least a bubble team where does that Kenpom need to be?
I dont use kenpom because its going to be the net and wab that matter but Rutgers needs to have a Seton Hall type year like Shaheen did...and note their improvement and money got them to be a longshot bubble team and i expected Pikes to schedule as poorly as him and run from tough competition. RU will need to be in the 50-60 range for net and wab with at least a 18-13 record. A season like Washington with an inflated net and 500 mark and 7-13 in the Big 10 does not cut it.
I watched the whole game and if you have objectivity we should have been up 4-6 at the half not down 1. Dylan might have had his worse game of the year as he carried it into the second half and let Carr get free for the dunks. They got it up to 19 eventually but then Manny played the best 3 minutes he has had in 3 years combined and scored 9 points and offensive and defensive rebounding and even got and and one . That cut it to 12 with 6 minutes left causing Izzo to call a timeout .
then the year long problem of not getting a defensive rebound allows them to expand the lead as they miss shots but still score. It has been a year long problem and cost us too many games. But the guys kept on playing making the great comeback shooting 9-9 . Even if the starters were back in the game , another 2 minutes we likely win.
We should have beat then at home and gave them a game away. That is a good sign because it comes against a really good team that will likely be a 2 or 3 seed.
come on it once they got up double digits the game was over...getting down to 12 was meaningless at 6 minutes because they built it back up. RU played some really bad basketball from the last few minutes of the first half to midway through the 2nd half.
the score was 81-66 with 1:55. since you like to use IFs alot..IF Izzy didnt pull his starters, they likely win by double digits.
the score was 81-66 with 1:55. since you like to use IFs alot..IF Izzy didnt pull his starters, they likely win by double digits.
The NET is the worst computer ranking system invented yet in college sports. It completely ignores your middle 80% and only values extremes. You suck but beat 1 top-50 team? You must be like #70 then. You are middle road but lost to 1 bottom 100 team, you must be like #150 then. 31 games in a season but 1 or 2 games determine your entire ranking yet the middle 25 don’t matter. Really really stupid system and IMO the tournament seedings recently have proven that but people just like to call it “Madness”
this is more accurate but its likely declaring the tallest midget
| Resumé | Quality | Current Quadrant Records | ||||||||||||||
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| Rk | Team | NET | KPI | SOR | WAB | Avg | BPI | KP | TRK | Avg | Q1A | Q1 | Q2 | Q1&2 | Q3 | Q4 |
| 1 | Michigan 1 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 7-1 | 12-1 | 9-1 | 21-2 | 5-0 | 2-0 |
| 6 | Michigan St. 2 | 11 | 7 | 6 | 5 | 6 | 13 | 10 | 12 | 11.7 | 4-4 | 8-4 | 7-1 | 15-5 | 6-0 | 4-0 |
| 9 | Purdue 3 | 9 | 11 | 12 | 8 | 10.3 | 9 | 7 | 8 | 8 | 5-7 | 9-7 | 3-0 | 12-7 | 8-0 | 3-0 |
| 11 | Nebraska 3 | 12 | 18 | 8 | 10 | 12 | 17 | 12 | 17 | 15.3 | 4-5 | 7-5 | 6-0 | 13-5 | 6-0 | 6-0 |
| 12 | Illinois 2 | 5 | 14 | 13 | 11 | 12.7 | 6 | 5 | 6 | 5.7 | 6-6 | 8-6 | 5-1 | 13-7 | 5-0 | 5-0 |
| 27 | Wisconsin 6 | 31 | 29 | 27 | 27 | 27.7 | 24 | 25 | 22 | 23.7 | 3-5 | 5-7 | 6-2 | 11-9 | 4-0 | 6-0 |
| 35 | UCLA 9 | 36 | 42 | 33 | 32 | 35.7 | 26 | 34 | 30 | 30 | 3-7 | 4-7 | 6-3 | 10-10 | 3-0 | 7-0 |
| 40 | Iowa 9 | 26 | 46 | 36 | 37 | 39.7 | 33 | 23 | 24 | 26.7 | 2-7 | 3-7 | 7-2 | 10-9 | 4-1 | 6-0 |
| 41 | Ohio St. 11 | 32 | 50 | 38 | 38 | 42 | 32 | 27 | 26 | 28.3 | 1-9 | 2-10 | 6-1 | 8-11 | 5-0 | 6-0 |
| 53 | Indiana 11 | 37 | 65 | 46 | 48 | 53 | 34 | 41 | 28 | 34.3 | 2-8 | 2-10 | 3-2 | 5-12 | 6-0 | 7-0 |
| 56 | USC | 68 | 67 | 50 | 50 | 55.7 | 63 | 70 | 64 | 65.7 | 1-8 | 1-9 | 8-2 | 9-11 | 5-1 | 3-0 |
| 80 | Washington | 57 | 83 | 76 | 80 | 79.7 | 49 | 51 | 47 | 49 | 0-7 | 2-9 | 3-4 | 5-13 | 5-2 | 5-0 |
| 87 | Minnesota | 76 | 95 | 86 | 86 | 89 | 69 | 72 | 57 | 66 | 1-7 | 3-10 | 3-4 | 6-14 | 1-2 | 7-0 |
| 92 | Northwestern | 69 | 107 | 89 | 89 | 95 | 65 | 66 | 65 | 65.3 | 1-11 | 2-11 | 1-4 | 3-15 | 5-2 | 5-0 |
| 113 | Oregon | 107 | 115 | 110 | 118 | 114.3 | 88 | 99 | 90 | 92.3 | 0-8 | 1-13 | 1-4 | 2-17 | 3-2 | 6-0 |
| 117 | Maryland | 159 | 144 | 103 | 107 | 118 | 100 | 134 | 131 | 121.7 | 0-11 | 1-13 | 3-2 | 4-15 | 2-4 | 5-0 |
| 118 | Rutgers | 151 | 140 | 105 | 109 | 118 | 117 | 133 | 127 | 125.7 | 0-10 | 0-12 | 2-5 | 2-17 | 5-0 | 5-1 |
| 124 | Penn St. | 131 | 133 | 115 | 122 | 123.3 | 123 | 137 | 137 | 132.3 | 0-8 | 2-9 | 0-6 | 2-15 | 3-3 | 7-0 |
You just love to declare games over but not if one team continues to play hard and momentum shifts. College basketball is all about momentum and a game of runs. What does us hitting 9-9 and 5 threes have to do with Michigan State . We hit some against their starters as they kept Cooper and Koehler in the game and even with starters back we hit against all the starters. I know you love to praise other teams but you acting like the comeback was solely caused by a team taking their foot off the gas and the other team having nothing to do with it, is totally ********. This will help the team in the remaining games left whether that is 2/3/4 games.