The New Lounge

[Mac9192]

This tariff debate is a tough one. But something has to be done to try and persuade companies to invest here. Like it or not, but I do think Trump is trying to benefit America. The stuff we send elsewhere, doesn't it get hit with tariffs?

Doing nothing is what we've been doing, and our politicians have been the ones benefitting. We can't have cheap products yet complain that we have no jobs here.

 

[DuckDevil]

This tariff debate is a tough one. But something has to be done to try and persuade companies to invest here. Like it or not, but I do think Trump is trying to benefit America. The stuff we send elsewhere, doesn't it get hit with tariffs?

Doing nothing is what we've been doing, and our politicians have been the ones benefitting. We can't have cheap products yet complain that we have no jobs here.

Some of our items get tariffed, some don’t. A lot of factors go into that though. I don’t disagree with you that we need companies to invest and build factories here. I think, from a strategic standpoint, we are at a significant disadvantage to China in this regard. We simply don’t build much here, and that’s a problem.

I don’t believe tariffs are the appropriate tool for this, though, as they’re essentially import taxes that get passed on to American consumers. The idea is that if Americans have to pay more for a foreign product, they’ll buy American instead, which stimulates growth and manufacturing. That only works, though, if that item is actually produced in America now, and the reality is that most of them simply aren’t. There are other ways to encourage companies to manufacture here without taxing Americans more.

 

[Ghost of Dattier]

What do you bring to the table other than being butt hurt over remarks made by Trump? Whether it's long term or not, what about his crackdown on crime in some of the major cities? What about the lady who spoke yesterday about crime in DC being down? The one who lost her grandson in 2017.

You guys harp on his mouth, which we don't like, but never see anything he's done as good. You're also not smart enough to realize our country was tired of what they saw during Sleepy Joe's tenure.

And for the record, I'm not as pleased with Trump, and some of his picks as I wish I was. Sad proof DC is a cesspool.

You accuse us of blindly following Trump. In reality, that's exactly what you do for the left.

I bring analysis, critical thinking, logic, and overwhelmingly well-vetted sourcing.

Again, I'm not emotional or butt hurt about this at all.

His crackdowns in major cities have been using the military and poorly trained masked thugs over the objections of governors and mayors. He chooses only Democratic cities in places that didn't vote for him. You can't tell me Houston, Dallas, Memphis, Atlanta, Milwaukee, St Louis, New Orleans, Miami, Jacksonville, and Phoenix are all behind Portland & Minneapolis in crime, at the very least. In Minneapolis, 8 citizens and legal residents ended up dead at the hands of ICE.

It's overreach. It's vindictive. It's wasteful.

I have not questioned the legitimacy of his election whatsoever.

When the GOP gets trounced in the midterms this fall -- just like they've been consistently trounced in special elections across the country since our President's current term started -- what will your explanation be then? Dollars to donuts you buy unsubstantiated lies about fraud rather than recognize the country is already sick of authoritarianism.

 

[Ghost of Dattier]

Polling involving the Jeff Bezos-owned Washington Post shows a 58% disapproval rating for how our President is handling immigration. That's one of the top 2-3 things he ran on, if not the very top thing.
Tick-tock. 3rd impeachment coming up in less than a year...

 

[Mac9192]

I don’t believe tariffs are the appropriate tool for this, though, as they’re essentially import taxes that get passed on to American consumers. The idea is that if Americans have to pay more for a foreign product, they’ll buy American instead, which stimulates growth and manufacturing. That only works, though, if that item is actually produced in America now, and the reality is that most of them simply aren’t. There are other ways to encourage companies to manufacture here without taxing Americans more.

We found something where we aren't on complete opposite ends. I agree there are downfalls, but there isn't a great answer. We have encouraged companies to manufacture here, but that has been by big tax breaks over a period of time. That irritates a lot of people that they get those breaks. The problem then happens that another county, or state, offers them more. So these companies are at a location for a short time, then bolt for a better deal, and the worker is left without a job, unless they transfer.

The culprit is American greed, and I'm not just talking about the guys in suits. Everyone wants to make as much money as possible, get weeks of paid vacation, 401k...but then we gripe when a burger and fry at McDonald's is close to $10.

True story: I live in the county where Freightliner builds trucks. Roughly 15 years ago they were about to move a majority of their manufacturing to Mexico. Quite a few of their big accounts said if you do that we'll go buy from Mack or Kenworth.

Freightliner is still in my county, and employees roughly 2,000 people.

 

[DuckDevil]

We found something where we aren't on complete opposite ends. I agree there are downfalls, but there isn't a great answer. We have encouraged companies to manufacture here, but that has been by big tax breaks over a period of time. That irritates a lot of people that they get those breaks. The problem then happens that another county, or state, offers them more. So these companies are at a location for a short time, then bolt for a better deal, and the worker is left without a job, unless they transfer.

The culprit is American greed, and I'm not just talking about the guys in suits. Everyone wants to make as much money as possible, get weeks of paid vacation, 401k...but then we gripe when a burger and fry at McDonald's is close to $10.

True story: I live in the county where Freightliner builds trucks. Roughly 15 years ago they were about to move a majority of their manufacturing to Mexico. Quite a few of their big accounts said if you do that we'll go buy from Mack or Kenworth.

Freightliner is still in my county, and employees roughly 2,000 people.

You’re right, in my opinion, that American greed is part of the problem. Every CEO answers to shareholders. Their job is to make those shareholders money, often at the expense of everything else. Consumers be damned, employees be damned, quality be damned. I don’t blame the little guy for wanting more money or more vacation. I don’t blame the family trying to stretch a paycheck or the worker just trying to get by. I blame the executives making decisions in boardrooms who choose profit over everything else. Price increases are catastrophic for people at or below the poverty line and for those on fixed incomes, like seniors.

What I take issue with is when a company records record profits and still continues to raise prices without offering additional value. Shrinkflation. The potato chip bags get smaller, but the price gets bigger. Companies do it because they can. As long as people keep paying, there’s no reason for them to stop. That’s the reality of the system we’re in.

People are hurting right now. As an anecdotal example, the school district I live in announced yesterday that it will begin sending school lunch accounts that are more than $100 in the negative to collections. The number of accounts in that category was staggering. I don’t think people refuse to pay for their kids’ lunches for the heck of it.

Republicans are going to pay a heavy price for this in the midterms. Like Biden did four years ago, Trump has decided to just tell everyone how great everything is. The stock market is hitting record highs. It’s the hottest country in the world. Things have never been better. It’s a tone deaf message. Most Americans have no money invested in the stock market. Forty percent of them have no money saved for retirement. They can’t afford housing. They can’t afford groceries. They can’t pay their kids’ school lunch accounts. It was a terrible message for Biden, and it’s a terrible message for Trump.

People on both sides of the political spectrum are at a breaking point. I think that’s why I, and I’m assuming @Ghost of Dattier, take exception to the transgender stuff and “issues” like it. From my perspective, it’s such a small thing compared to the economic problems plaguing Americans. Why give it so much oxygen rather than directing that ire at the people running this country into the ground with their greed? I’m not really asking that question. That’s just how I process it. The culture wars are intended to divide people so they don’t focus on the real issues. Why continue to buy into them? Why not focus on the big stuff instead? The stuff that actually makes people’s lives better?

 

[DuckDevil]

 

[DuckDevil]

 

[DuckDevil]

 

[KDSTONE]

Great title though predictable from a Rupert Murdoch-owned “news” station. It seems that the main and only criticism in your video is on the origin of cowboys? She surely embarrassed herself on that one.

Before clicking the video and being disappointed with what you found worthy to share, I assumed you would be focusing on her comments concerning Israel and the genocide they’ve conducted in Gaza. 73,000 men, women, and children dead so far as of this month, correct?

I thought her comments were sensible in that she criticized the U.S. policy of providing unconditional military aid to Israel, saying that she believed that approach had “enabled a genocide in Gaza.” She argued that continuing aid without conditions doesn’t make sense and suggested the U.S. should enforce its own human-rights laws, specifically the Leahy laws, which require conditioning aid when credible information shows gross human-rights violations.

I think this is a pretty reasonable position at this point, given all that’s happened and is still happening.


She definitely did stumble on the Taiwan question, though I think you would be hard-pressed to find an American politician who wouldn’t there. Let’s look at reality, though: the US has already tacitly said that invading sovereign nations is okay (Ukraine, the Maduro kidnapping, etc.). What leg do we have to stand on to tell China that they can’t invade Taiwan? I think it’s a matter of time before they do, and the US won’t do a single thing about it. Especially under this President.

It’s funny that you reference Anna Paulina Luna in a comment about people embarrassing themselves. She went on Rogan and started talking about seeing classified photos of UFOs and never offered any proof, by the way. She brought up “interdimensional beings,” randomly cited the Book of Enoch to suggest angels are aliens or something along those lines, and that’s only scratching the surface. For a sitting member of Congress, it came off like she’s quite the nut job. I think even Joe seemed perplexed. Very embarrassing, in my opinion.

Genocide is a serious accusation, the most serious you can level at a nation state. Are you sure the facts are on your side? You mentioned 73,000 deaths from the Gaza Health Registry I assume, Ok cool.
If 20 K deaths are Hamas, Ok. Cool?
And five-seven K deaths natural a year ok cool whatever?
We’re getting pretty close now to a 1:1 civilian/ combatant ratio which is historically low.

Bottom line: you should never have accepted the 72,000 figure even though it came from Hamas. It’s too easy to pick apart. Here are the casualty figures from Iraq:

The Iraq war — by the numbers

Some key statistics on this 20th anniversary of the war’s beginning.

www.nbcnews.com

I’ll simplify it for you: 200,000 civilians killed in Iraq. No marches. No chants of genocide. Why is that?
The Syrian Civil War? Half a million deaths. No marches. No problem. No coverage.
You’re not quite the human rights advocate you thought you were are you?

 

[KDSTONE]

Genocide is a serious accusation, the most serious you can level at a nation state. Are you sure the facts are on your side? You mentioned 73,000 deaths from the Gaza Health Registry I assume, Ok cool.
If 20 K deaths are Hamas, Ok. Cool?
And five-seven K deaths natural a year ok cool whatever?
We’re getting pretty close now to a 1:1 civilian/ combatant ratio which is historically low.

Bottom line: you should never have accepted the 72,000 figure even though it came from Hamas. It’s too easy to pick apart. Here are the casualty figures from Iraq:

The Iraq war — by the numbers

Some key statistics on this 20th anniversary of the war’s beginning.

www.nbcnews.com

I’ll simplify it for you: 200,000 civilians killed in Iraq. No marches. No chants of genocide. Why is that?
The Syrian Civil War? Half a million deaths. No marches. No problem. No coverage.
You’re not quite the human rights advocate you thought you were are you?

You are aware that Israel has a GDP of 600 billion dollars so I’m pretty sure they could scrape together a military with or without US help

 

[KDSTONE]

I bring analysis, critical thinking, logic, and overwhelmingly well-vetted sourcing.

Again, I'm not emotional or butt hurt about this at all.

His crackdowns in major cities have been using the military and poorly trained masked thugs over the objections of governors and mayors. He chooses only Democratic cities in places that didn't vote for him. You can't tell me Houston, Dallas, Memphis, Atlanta, Milwaukee, St Louis, New Orleans, Miami, Jacksonville, and Phoenix are all behind Portland & Minneapolis in crime, at the very least. In Minneapolis, 8 citizens and legal residents ended up dead at the hands of ICE.

It's overreach. It's vindictive. It's wasteful.

I have not questioned the legitimacy of his election whatsoever.

When the GOP gets trounced in the midterms this fall -- just like they've been consistently trounced in special elections across the country since our President's current term started -- what will your explanation be then? Dollars to donuts you buy unsubstantiated lies about fraud rather than recognize the country is already sick of authoritarianism.

Yeh I’m not butt hurt at all, but this is what hurt me the most. lol.
Clown show.

The same clown that wandered into a a “”pro-Pali” rally and was “shocked” when he heard “antisemitic” expressions, you mean like progenicide. Let’s kill all the Jews! Oh no, I thought you just wanted your own state. Jesus please us!

You’re in Fantasy Land, Datt.

Datt, you’re an awesome social justice warrior when you can demonize the Us or Israel?
Time for your greatest hits now though; can you remind us of when you called out China for their treatment of the Oiugurs?

 

[KDSTONE]

You’re right, in my opinion, that American greed is part of the problem. Every CEO answers to shareholders. Their job is to make those shareholders money, often at the expense of everything else. Consumers be damned, employees be damned, quality be damned. I don’t blame the little guy for wanting more money or more vacation. I don’t blame the family trying to stretch a paycheck or the worker just trying to get by. I blame the executives making decisions in boardrooms who choose profit over everything else. Price increases are catastrophic for people at or below the poverty line and for those on fixed incomes, like seniors.

What I take issue with is when a company records record profits and still continues to raise prices without offering additional value. Shrinkflation. The potato chip bags get smaller, but the price gets bigger. Companies do it because they can. As long as people keep paying, there’s no reason for them to stop. That’s the reality of the system we’re in.

People are hurting right now. As an anecdotal example, the school district I live in announced yesterday that it will begin sending school lunch accounts that are more than $100 in the negative to collections. The number of accounts in that category was staggering. I don’t think people refuse to pay for their kids’ lunches for the heck of it.

Republicans are going to pay a heavy price for this in the midterms. Like Biden did four years ago, Trump has decided to just tell everyone how great everything is. The stock market is hitting record highs. It’s the hottest country in the world. Things have never been better. It’s a tone deaf message. Most Americans have no money invested in the stock market. Forty percent of them have no money saved for retirement. They can’t afford housing. They can’t afford groceries. They can’t pay their kids’ school lunch accounts. It was a terrible message for Biden, and it’s a terrible message for Trump.

People on both sides of the political spectrum are at a breaking point. I think that’s why I, and I’m assuming @Ghost of Dattier, take exception to the transgender stuff and “issues” like it. From my perspective, it’s such a small thing compared to the economic problems plaguing Americans. Why give it so much oxygen rather than directing that ire at the people running this country into the ground with their greed? I’m not really asking that question. That’s just how I process it. The culture wars are intended to divide people so they don’t focus on the real issues. Why continue to buy into them? Why not focus on the big stuff instead? The stuff that actually makes people’s lives better?

Says the guy who casually accuses another nation of genocide while he ignores his own country’s “war history”. Twice and three times as many “civilian casualties” as Israel’s yet somehow he’s worried about the “culture wars” Good stuff.
It’s hilarious in this day and age how a cat like this duck dynasty can pretend to be looking out for the little guy while taking a swipe at the globalists ( Jews) at the same time. Horseshoe

 

[DuckDevil]

Genocide is a serious accusation. Nothing casual about it. And it’s not just a word; it’s a legal claim that has to be backed up.

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It’s interesting that you removed all of the anti-USA stuff from your post. It was blatantly false and gross, so I understand why you did. I’m going to leave my response in though and let people imagine what you said.
</EDIT>

Side note before we start, comparing the conduct of US troops in Iraq to how the Israeli military is conducting itself in Gaza is grossly disrespectful to American troops. Did US troops intentionally starve Iraqi civilians? Did US troops intentionally target hospitals and, in some cases, “double tap” those hospitals? The US military made mistakes in Iraq, but they were isolated and not a direct policy of the government. Trying to play whataboutism with this is disgusting, and you should frankly be ashamed of yourself.

Now, let’s get into the evidence. We’ll start with intentionally starving men, women, and children by blockading Gaza and refusing to let any aid in.

IPC Famine Alert – July 2025 Source: Integrated Food Security Phase Classification (IPC), July 2025 report https://www.ipcinfo.org/fileadmin/user_upload/ipcinfo/docs/IPC_GazaStrip_Alert_July2025.pdf

The IPC warned that a worst case famine scenario was unfolding in Gaza, projecting widespread acute malnutrition including among children under five and pregnant or breastfeeding women.

Reuters – May 12, 2025 (Famine Risk)

Reuters reported that the global hunger monitor said the entire population of Gaza faced a critical risk of famine, with tens of thousands of children projected to suffer acute malnutrition.

Reuters – July 25, 2025 (Therapeutic Food Shortage)

Reuters reported that Gaza was running out of specialized therapeutic food used to treat severely malnourished children, according to UNICEF and aid agencies.

Reuters – July 30, 2025 (Famine Like Conditions)

Reuters described worsening famine like conditions in Gaza, highlighting the deteriorating nutritional status of women and children and the strain on humanitarian operations.

Reuters – November 4, 2025 (Insufficient Winter Supplies)

Reuters reported that aid agencies said food, tents, and other essential supplies were not reaching Gaza in sufficient quantities ahead of winter.

Unfortunately, stories about the starving people of Gaza are really easy to find. Please let me know if you’d like more.

Moving on, since we’ve established that civilians are being intentionally starved, it makes sense that those people would seek out medical aid. But where? Certainly not hospitals, since Israel intentionally bombs those as well. Let’s first examine the law around that.

Under the Geneva Conventions, civilian hospitals and medical units are protected from attack.

Geneva Convention IV, Article 18: Civilian hospitals “may in no circumstances be the object of attack.”

Now, anticipating that you’re a disgusting person who will try to justify hospital strikes, I assume you’ll say that Hamas was using them to store weapons, issue commands, or whatever bogus rationale you come up with. Even if that were the case, the law requires that a clear warning be given, a reasonable time to comply be provided, and the attack must still meet proportionality and distinction requirements.

What does that mean? Even if a hospital loses protection due to misuse, the attacker must distinguish between military objectives and civilians. The anticipated military advantage must outweigh expected civilian harm. Indiscriminate attacks remain illegal.

Pay attention. This next part is important. If a force conducts a second strike targeting rescuers, medical workers, or civilians responding to an initial blast, is a really big no no.

Attacking medical personnel, ambulances, first responders, or journalists is prohibited under the Geneva Conventions. Last but not least, if a second strike intentionally targets rescuers or medical staff, that can constitute a war crime.

Reuters – August 25, 2025 (Nasser Hospital Strike)

Reuters reported that an Israeli strike hit the Nasser Hospital area in Khan Younis, killing at least 20 people including journalists, with Israel saying it was reviewing the incident.

Associated Press – August 25, 2025 (Second Strike at Nasser)

AP reported that two Israeli strikes hit Nasser Hospital, with the second strike killing journalists and rescuers who had responded to the first explosion.

Reuters Investigation – September 26, 2025 (Visual Evidence)

A Reuters investigation using video and forensic analysis reported that Israel’s initial public explanation for the Nasser Hospital strike was contradicted by visual evidence.

Reuters – March 31, 2025 (Red Crescent Medics)

Reuters reported that the bodies of eight Palestinian Red Crescent medics were recovered after they went missing while responding to casualties in Rafah.

The Nasser Hospital strike is the most famous since they double-tapped the first responders, though it’s far from the only hospital strike or double tap. Israel has hit medical facilities more than 700 times since October 2023. No warnings, no time to comply, no proportionality. Straight up war crimes. Countless more examples of stuff just like this.

And that really is the issue here. The response is not proportional. The October 7 attacks were heinous. Over 1,200 innocent casualties, 240 hostages, many of whom later died in captivity. Israel had the right to respond. However, they do not have a right to completely wipe out the Palestinian people, to starve them, to blow up their hospitals, or to kill their women and children. They have far surpassed what can be deemed morally acceptable.

And the world has taken notice. The ICC has issued arrest warrants for Benjamin Netanyahu and former Defense Minister Yoav Gallant on allegations of war crimes and crimes against humanity tied to the conduct of the Gaza war. The charges include alleged starvation of civilians as a method of warfare, intentionally directing attacks against civilians, and persecution. In 2025, the ICC rejected Israel’s attempt to withdraw the warrants and allowed the investigation to continue. These are criminal allegations against individuals and remain unresolved.

Separately, the International Court of Justice is hearing a case brought by South Africa accusing Israel of violating the Genocide Convention. The ICJ has issued provisional measures ordering Israel to prevent acts that could fall under the convention but has not ruled that genocide has occurred (yet). That case concerns state responsibility, not individual criminal liability, and is still pending.

Your attempt to frame this as an attack on the “Jews” is also disgusting, but as you have proven yourself a biased observer, it’s clear that you have an agenda to push regardless of evidence. Any country that conducts itself in this manner should be called out and held accountable, regardless of ethnic group or religion. And yeah, I do hold “my” country to a higher standard than that. I think most Americans do. Really strange of you to try and attack the USA this way.

As I’ve said before, the current Israeli leadership has led Israel down a dark path. The ramifications will be felt well into the future, regardless of whatever kind of BS you try to spin here. Propping it up is doing the state and people of Israel a tremendous injustice. Ultimately, the Palestinian people have a right to exist and no amount of propaganda can take that away. Let’s also not forget that Israel still is not letting foreign journalists in (unless they are under the complete supervision of Israel). Who knows what will be revealed when that finally happens.

Genocide means intentionally destroying, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group. It includes killing members of that group or deliberately creating conditions of life meant to bring about their destruction. Israel has committed genocide in Gaza.

Almost forgot since you have a weird habit of spreading your argument over several consecutive post, the idea that Israel could sustain this war at its current scale without US support is not serious. The United States provides billions in military aid, advanced munitions, missile defense funding, intelligence cooperation, and diplomatic cover at the United Nations. Israel is a capable military power, but this level of sustained operation and international insulation would look very different without consistent US backing. Israel has a GDP of 600 billion? Wow, the state of Ohio has a larger GDP than that.

Though I would love for Israel to try to go it alone, they know who daddy is.

 

[KDSTONE]

Genocide is a serious accusation. Nothing casual about it. And it’s not just a word; it’s a legal claim that has to be backed up.

Side note before we start, comparing the conduct of US troops in Iraq to how the Israeli military is conducting itself in Gaza is grossly disrespectful to American troops. Did US troops intentionally starve Iraqi civilians? Did US troops intentionally target hospitals and, in some cases, “double tap” those hospitals? The US military made mistakes in Iraq, but they were isolated and not a direct policy of the government. Trying to play whataboutism with this is disgusting, and you should frankly be ashamed of yourself.

Now, let’s get into the evidence. We’ll start with intentionally starving men, women, and children by blockading Gaza and refusing to let any aid in.

IPC Famine Alert – July 2025 Source: Integrated Food Security Phase Classification (IPC), July 2025 report https://www.ipcinfo.org/fileadmin/user_upload/ipcinfo/docs/IPC_GazaStrip_Alert_July2025.pdf

The IPC warned that a worst case famine scenario was unfolding in Gaza, projecting widespread acute malnutrition including among children under five and pregnant or breastfeeding women.

Reuters – May 12, 2025 (Famine Risk)

Reuters reported that the global hunger monitor said the entire population of Gaza faced a critical risk of famine, with tens of thousands of children projected to suffer acute malnutrition.

Reuters – July 25, 2025 (Therapeutic Food Shortage)

Reuters reported that Gaza was running out of specialized therapeutic food used to treat severely malnourished children, according to UNICEF and aid agencies.

Reuters – July 30, 2025 (Famine Like Conditions)

Reuters described worsening famine like conditions in Gaza, highlighting the deteriorating nutritional status of women and children and the strain on humanitarian operations.

Reuters – November 4, 2025 (Insufficient Winter Supplies)

Reuters reported that aid agencies said food, tents, and other essential supplies were not reaching Gaza in sufficient quantities ahead of winter.

Unfortunately, stories about the starving people of Gaza are really easy to find. Please let me know if you’d like more.

Moving on, since we’ve established that civilians are being intentionally starved, it makes sense that those people would seek out medical aid. But where? Certainly not hospitals, since Israel intentionally bombs those as well. Let’s first examine the law around that.

Under the Geneva Conventions, civilian hospitals and medical units are protected from attack.

Geneva Convention IV, Article 18: Civilian hospitals “may in no circumstances be the object of attack.”

Now, anticipating that you’re a disgusting person who will try to justify hospital strikes, I assume you’ll say that Hamas was using them to store weapons, issue commands, or whatever bogus rationale you come up with. Even if that were the case, the law requires that a clear warning be given, a reasonable time to comply be provided, and the attack must still meet proportionality and distinction requirements.

What does that mean? Even if a hospital loses protection due to misuse, the attacker must distinguish between military objectives and civilians. The anticipated military advantage must outweigh expected civilian harm. Indiscriminate attacks remain illegal.

Pay attention. This next part is important. If a force conducts a second strike targeting rescuers, medical workers, or civilians responding to an initial blast, is a really big no no.

Attacking medical personnel, ambulances, first responders, or journalists is prohibited under the Geneva Conventions. Last but not least, if a second strike intentionally targets rescuers or medical staff, that can constitute a war crime.

Reuters – August 25, 2025 (Nasser Hospital Strike)

Reuters reported that an Israeli strike hit the Nasser Hospital area in Khan Younis, killing at least 20 people including journalists, with Israel saying it was reviewing the incident.

Associated Press – August 25, 2025 (Second Strike at Nasser)

AP reported that two Israeli strikes hit Nasser Hospital, with the second strike killing journalists and rescuers who had responded to the first explosion.

Reuters Investigation – September 26, 2025 (Visual Evidence)

A Reuters investigation using video and forensic analysis reported that Israel’s initial public explanation for the Nasser Hospital strike was contradicted by visual evidence.

Reuters – March 31, 2025 (Red Crescent Medics)

Reuters reported that the bodies of eight Palestinian Red Crescent medics were recovered after they went missing while responding to casualties in Rafah.

The Nasser Hospital strike is the most famous since they double-tapped the first responders, though it’s far from the only hospital strike or double tap. Israel has hit medical facilities more than 700 times since October 2023. No warnings, no time to comply, no proportionality. Straight up war crimes. Countless more examples of stuff just like this.

And that really is the issue here. The response is not proportional. The October 7 attacks were heinous. Over 1,200 innocent casualties, 240 hostages, many of whom later died in captivity. Israel had the right to respond. However, they do not have a right to completely wipe out the Palestinian people, to starve them, to blow up their hospitals, or to kill their women and children. They have far surpassed what can be deemed morally acceptable.

And the world has taken notice. The ICC has issued arrest warrants for Benjamin Netanyahu and former Defense Minister Yoav Gallant on allegations of war crimes and crimes against humanity tied to the conduct of the Gaza war. The charges include alleged starvation of civilians as a method of warfare, intentionally directing attacks against civilians, and persecution. In 2025, the ICC rejected Israel’s attempt to withdraw the warrants and allowed the investigation to continue. These are criminal allegations against individuals and remain unresolved.

Separately, the International Court of Justice is hearing a case brought by South Africa accusing Israel of violating the Genocide Convention. The ICJ has issued provisional measures ordering Israel to prevent acts that could fall under the convention but has not ruled that genocide has occurred (yet). That case concerns state responsibility, not individual criminal liability, and is still pending.

Your attempt to frame this as an attack on the “Jews” is also disgusting, but as you have proven yourself a biased observer, it’s clear that you have an agenda to push regardless of evidence. Any country that conducts itself in this manner should be called out and held accountable, regardless of ethnic group or religion. And yeah, I do hold “my” country to a higher standard than that. I think most Americans do. Really strange of you to try and attack the USA this way.

As I’ve said before, the current Israeli leadership has led Israel down a dark path. The ramifications will be felt well into the future, regardless of whatever kind of BS you try to spin here. Propping it up is doing the state and people of Israel a tremendous injustice. Ultimately, the Palestinian people have a right to exist and no amount of propaganda can take that away. Let’s also not forget that Israel still is not letting foreign journalists in (unless they are under the complete supervision of Israel). Who knows what will be revealed when that finally happens.

Genocide means intentionally destroying, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group. It includes killing members of that group or deliberately creating conditions of life meant to bring about their destruction. Israel has committed genocide in Gaza.

Almost forgot since you have a weird habit of spreading your argument over several consecutive post, the idea that Israel could sustain this war at its current scale without US support is not serious. The United States provides billions in military aid, advanced munitions, missile defense funding, intelligence cooperation, and diplomatic cover at the United Nations. Israel is a capable military power, but this level of sustained operation and international insulation would look very different without consistent US backing. Israel has a GDP of 600 billion? Wow, the state of Ohio has a larger GDP than that.

Though I would love for Israel to try to go it alone, they know who daddy is.

Starving children? Check.
Targeting civilians? Check.
All the old tropes are here. The other genocides in history ( Holocaust, Rwanda, Cambodia) have death tolls of 6m, 2m, 800k.

 

[KDSTONE]

Gaza: the first genocide in history where the “victims” could end it at any time. How? By releasing the hostages. You’re not a serious person.

 

[KDSTONE]

Genocide is a serious accusation. Nothing casual about it. And it’s not just a word; it’s a legal claim that has to be backed up.

Side note before we start, comparing the conduct of US troops in Iraq to how the Israeli military is conducting itself in Gaza is grossly disrespectful to American troops. Did US troops intentionally starve Iraqi civilians? Did US troops intentionally target hospitals and, in some cases, “double tap” those hospitals? The US military made mistakes in Iraq, but they were isolated and not a direct policy of the government. Trying to play whataboutism with this is disgusting, and you should frankly be ashamed of yourself.

Now, let’s get into the evidence. We’ll start with intentionally starving men, women, and children by blockading Gaza and refusing to let any aid in.

IPC Famine Alert – July 2025 Source: Integrated Food Security Phase Classification (IPC), July 2025 report https://www.ipcinfo.org/fileadmin/user_upload/ipcinfo/docs/IPC_GazaStrip_Alert_July2025.pdf

The IPC warned that a worst case famine scenario was unfolding in Gaza, projecting widespread acute malnutrition including among children under five and pregnant or breastfeeding women.

Reuters – May 12, 2025 (Famine Risk)

Reuters reported that the global hunger monitor said the entire population of Gaza faced a critical risk of famine, with tens of thousands of children projected to suffer acute malnutrition.

Reuters – July 25, 2025 (Therapeutic Food Shortage)

Reuters reported that Gaza was running out of specialized therapeutic food used to treat severely malnourished children, according to UNICEF and aid agencies.

Reuters – July 30, 2025 (Famine Like Conditions)

Reuters described worsening famine like conditions in Gaza, highlighting the deteriorating nutritional status of women and children and the strain on humanitarian operations.

Reuters – November 4, 2025 (Insufficient Winter Supplies)

Reuters reported that aid agencies said food, tents, and other essential supplies were not reaching Gaza in sufficient quantities ahead of winter.

Unfortunately, stories about the starving people of Gaza are really easy to find. Please let me know if you’d like more.

Moving on, since we’ve established that civilians are being intentionally starved, it makes sense that those people would seek out medical aid. But where? Certainly not hospitals, since Israel intentionally bombs those as well. Let’s first examine the law around that.

Under the Geneva Conventions, civilian hospitals and medical units are protected from attack.

Geneva Convention IV, Article 18: Civilian hospitals “may in no circumstances be the object of attack.”

Now, anticipating that you’re a disgusting person who will try to justify hospital strikes, I assume you’ll say that Hamas was using them to store weapons, issue commands, or whatever bogus rationale you come up with. Even if that were the case, the law requires that a clear warning be given, a reasonable time to comply be provided, and the attack must still meet proportionality and distinction requirements.

What does that mean? Even if a hospital loses protection due to misuse, the attacker must distinguish between military objectives and civilians. The anticipated military advantage must outweigh expected civilian harm. Indiscriminate attacks remain illegal.

Pay attention. This next part is important. If a force conducts a second strike targeting rescuers, medical workers, or civilians responding to an initial blast, is a really big no no.

Attacking medical personnel, ambulances, first responders, or journalists is prohibited under the Geneva Conventions. Last but not least, if a second strike intentionally targets rescuers or medical staff, that can constitute a war crime.

Reuters – August 25, 2025 (Nasser Hospital Strike)

Reuters reported that an Israeli strike hit the Nasser Hospital area in Khan Younis, killing at least 20 people including journalists, with Israel saying it was reviewing the incident.

Associated Press – August 25, 2025 (Second Strike at Nasser)

AP reported that two Israeli strikes hit Nasser Hospital, with the second strike killing journalists and rescuers who had responded to the first explosion.

Reuters Investigation – September 26, 2025 (Visual Evidence)

A Reuters investigation using video and forensic analysis reported that Israel’s initial public explanation for the Nasser Hospital strike was contradicted by visual evidence.

Reuters – March 31, 2025 (Red Crescent Medics)

Reuters reported that the bodies of eight Palestinian Red Crescent medics were recovered after they went missing while responding to casualties in Rafah.

The Nasser Hospital strike is the most famous since they double-tapped the first responders, though it’s far from the only hospital strike or double tap. Israel has hit medical facilities more than 700 times since October 2023. No warnings, no time to comply, no proportionality. Straight up war crimes. Countless more examples of stuff just like this.

And that really is the issue here. The response is not proportional. The October 7 attacks were heinous. Over 1,200 innocent casualties, 240 hostages, many of whom later died in captivity. Israel had the right to respond. However, they do not have a right to completely wipe out the Palestinian people, to starve them, to blow up their hospitals, or to kill their women and children. They have far surpassed what can be deemed morally acceptable.

And the world has taken notice. The ICC has issued arrest warrants for Benjamin Netanyahu and former Defense Minister Yoav Gallant on allegations of war crimes and crimes against humanity tied to the conduct of the Gaza war. The charges include alleged starvation of civilians as a method of warfare, intentionally directing attacks against civilians, and persecution. In 2025, the ICC rejected Israel’s attempt to withdraw the warrants and allowed the investigation to continue. These are criminal allegations against individuals and remain unresolved.

Separately, the International Court of Justice is hearing a case brought by South Africa accusing Israel of violating the Genocide Convention. The ICJ has issued provisional measures ordering Israel to prevent acts that could fall under the convention but has not ruled that genocide has occurred (yet). That case concerns state responsibility, not individual criminal liability, and is still pending.

Your attempt to frame this as an attack on the “Jews” is also disgusting, but as you have proven yourself a biased observer, it’s clear that you have an agenda to push regardless of evidence. Any country that conducts itself in this manner should be called out and held accountable, regardless of ethnic group or religion. And yeah, I do hold “my” country to a higher standard than that. I think most Americans do. Really strange of you to try and attack the USA this way.

As I’ve said before, the current Israeli leadership has led Israel down a dark path. The ramifications will be felt well into the future, regardless of whatever kind of BS you try to spin here. Propping it up is doing the state and people of Israel a tremendous injustice. Ultimately, the Palestinian people have a right to exist and no amount of propaganda can take that away. Let’s also not forget that Israel still is not letting foreign journalists in (unless they are under the complete supervision of Israel). Who knows what will be revealed when that finally happens.

Genocide means intentionally destroying, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group. It includes killing members of that group or deliberately creating conditions of life meant to bring about their destruction. Israel has committed genocide in Gaza.

Almost forgot since you have a weird habit of spreading your argument over several consecutive post, the idea that Israel could sustain this war at its current scale without US support is not serious. The United States provides billions in military aid, advanced munitions, missile defense funding, intelligence cooperation, and diplomatic cover at the United Nations. Israel is a capable military power, but this level of sustained operation and international insulation would look very different without consistent US backing. Israel has a GDP of 600 billion? Wow, the state of Ohio has a larger GDP than that.

Though I would love for Israel to try to go it alone, they know who daddy is

Great post. I’m going to show it to a friend as evidence of the horseshoe dynamic. Thanks so much. Unfortunately it’s way too many characters (10,000? yikes) and makes a response difficult. Great stuff though. You’re the gift that keeps on giving.

 

[KDSTONE]

Genocide is a serious accusation. Nothing casual about it. And it’s not just a word; it’s a legal claim that has to be backed up.

Side note before we start, comparing the conduct of US troops in Iraq to how the Israeli military is conducting itself in Gaza is grossly disrespectful to American troops. Did US troops intentionally starve Iraqi civilians? Did US troops intentionally target hospitals and, in some cases, “double tap” those hospitals? The US military made mistakes in Iraq, but they were isolated and not a direct policy of the government. Trying to play whataboutism with this is disgusting, and you should frankly be ashamed of yourself.

Now, let’s get into the evidence. We’ll start with intentionally starving men, women, and children by blockading Gaza and refusing to let any aid in.

IPC Famine Alert – July 2025 Source: Integrated Food Security Phase Classification (IPC), July 2025 report https://www.ipcinfo.org/fileadmin/user_upload/ipcinfo/docs/IPC_GazaStrip_Alert_July2025.pdf

The IPC warned that a worst case famine scenario was unfolding in Gaza, projecting widespread acute malnutrition including among children under five and pregnant or breastfeeding women.

Reuters – May 12, 2025 (Famine Risk)

Reuters reported that the global hunger monitor said the entire population of Gaza faced a critical risk of famine, with tens of thousands of children projected to suffer acute malnutrition.

Reuters – July 25, 2025 (Therapeutic Food Shortage)

Reuters reported that Gaza was running out of specialized therapeutic food used to treat severely malnourished children, according to UNICEF and aid agencies.

Reuters – July 30, 2025 (Famine Like Conditions)

Reuters described worsening famine like conditions in Gaza, highlighting the deteriorating nutritional status of women and children and the strain on humanitarian operations.

Reuters – November 4, 2025 (Insufficient Winter Supplies)

Reuters reported that aid agencies said food, tents, and other essential supplies were not reaching Gaza in sufficient quantities ahead of winter.

Unfortunately, stories about the starving people of Gaza are really easy to find. Please let me know if you’d like more.

Moving on, since we’ve established that civilians are being intentionally starved, it makes sense that those people would seek out medical aid. But where? Certainly not hospitals, since Israel intentionally bombs those as well. Let’s first examine the law around that.

Under the Geneva Conventions, civilian hospitals and medical units are protected from attack.

Geneva Convention IV, Article 18: Civilian hospitals “may in no circumstances be the object of attack.”

Now, anticipating that you’re a disgusting person who will try to justify hospital strikes, I assume you’ll say that Hamas was using them to store weapons, issue commands, or whatever bogus rationale you come up with. Even if that were the case, the law requires that a clear warning be given, a reasonable time to comply be provided, and the attack must still meet proportionality and distinction requirements.

What does that mean? Even if a hospital loses protection due to misuse, the attacker must distinguish between military objectives and civilians. The anticipated military advantage must outweigh expected civilian harm. Indiscriminate attacks remain illegal.

Pay attention. This next part is important. If a force conducts a second strike targeting rescuers, medical workers, or civilians responding to an initial blast, is a really big no no.

Attacking medical personnel, ambulances, first responders, or journalists is prohibited under the Geneva Conventions. Last but not least, if a second strike intentionally targets rescuers or medical staff, that can constitute a war crime.

Reuters – August 25, 2025 (Nasser Hospital Strike)

Reuters reported that an Israeli strike hit the Nasser Hospital area in Khan Younis, killing at least 20 people including journalists, with Israel saying it was reviewing the incident.

Associated Press – August 25, 2025 (Second Strike at Nasser)

AP reported that two Israeli strikes hit Nasser Hospital, with the second strike killing journalists and rescuers who had responded to the first explosion.

Reuters Investigation – September 26, 2025 (Visual Evidence)

A Reuters investigation using video and forensic analysis reported that Israel’s initial public explanation for the Nasser Hospital strike was contradicted by visual evidence.

Reuters – March 31, 2025 (Red Crescent Medics)

Reuters reported that the bodies of eight Palestinian Red Crescent medics were recovered after they went missing while responding to casualties in Rafah.

The Nasser Hospital strike is the most famous since they double-tapped the first responders, though it’s far from the only hospital strike or double tap. Israel has hit medical facilities more than 700 times since October 2023. No warnings, no time to comply, no proportionality. Straight up war crimes. Countless more examples of stuff just like this.

And that really is the issue here. The response is not proportional. The October 7 attacks were heinous. Over 1,200 innocent casualties, 240 hostages, many of whom later died in captivity. Israel had the right to respond. However, they do not have a right to completely wipe out the Palestinian people, to starve them, to blow up their hospitals, or to kill their women and children. They have far surpassed what can be deemed morally acceptable.

And the world has taken notice. The ICC has issued arrest warrants for Benjamin Netanyahu and former Defense Minister Yoav Gallant on allegations of war crimes and crimes against humanity tied to the conduct of the Gaza war. The charges include alleged starvation of civilians as a method of warfare, intentionally directing attacks against civilians, and persecution. In 2025, the ICC rejected Israel’s attempt to withdraw the warrants and allowed the investigation to continue. These are criminal allegations against individuals and remain unresolved.

Separately, the International Court of Justice is hearing a case brought by South Africa accusing Israel of violating the Genocide Convention. The ICJ has issued provisional measures ordering Israel to prevent acts that could fall under the convention but has not ruled that genocide has occurred (yet). That case concerns state responsibility, not individual criminal liability, and is still pending.

Your attempt to frame this as an attack on the “Jews” is also disgusting, but as you have proven yourself a biased observer, it’s clear that you have an agenda to push regardless of evidence. Any country that conducts itself in this manner should be called out and held accountable, regardless of ethnic group or religion. And yeah, I do hold “my” country to a higher standard than that. I think most Americans do. Really strange of you to try and attack the USA this way.

As I’ve said before, the current Israeli leadership has led Israel down a dark path. The ramifications will be felt well into the future, regardless of whatever kind of BS you try to spin here. Propping it up is doing the state and people of Israel a tremendous injustice. Ultimately, the Palestinian people have a right to exist and no amount of propaganda can take that away. Let’s also not forget that Israel still is not letting foreign journalists in (unless they are under the complete supervision of Israel). Who knows what will be revealed when that finally happens.

Genocide means intentionally destroying, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group. It includes killing members of that group or deliberately creating conditions of life meant to bring about their destruction. Israel has committed genocide in Gaza.

Almost forgot since you have a weird habit of spreading your argument over several consecutive post, the idea that Israel could sustain this war at its current scale without US support is not serious. The United States provides billions in military aid, advanced munitions, missile defense funding, intelligence cooperation, and diplomatic cover at the United Nations. Israel is a capable military power, but this level of sustained operation and international insulation would look very different without consistent US backing. Israel has a GDP of 600 billion? Wow, the state of Ohio has a larger GDP than that.

Though I would love for Israel to try to go it alone, they know who daddy is.

Never “compared the conduct” or accused the US of anything. You brought up the 73k figure as evidence of a genocide. If throwing around numbers is proof of a genocide, I was wondering why other nations arent held to the same standard.
Driving a wedge between Us and Israel? Tucker and Candace say Bravo!!

 

[KDSTONE]

Genocide is a serious accusation. Nothing casual about it. And it’s not just a word; it’s a legal claim that has to be backed up.

Side note before we start, comparing the conduct of US troops in Iraq to how the Israeli military is conducting itself in Gaza is grossly disrespectful to American troops. Did US troops intentionally starve Iraqi civilians? Did US troops intentionally target hospitals and, in some cases, “double tap” those hospitals? The US military made mistakes in Iraq, but they were isolated and not a direct policy of the government. Trying to play whataboutism with this is disgusting, and you should frankly be ashamed of yourself.

Now, let’s get into the evidence. We’ll start with intentionally starving men, women, and children by blockading Gaza and refusing to let any aid in.

IPC Famine Alert – July 2025 Source: Integrated Food Security Phase Classification (IPC), July 2025 report https://www.ipcinfo.org/fileadmin/user_upload/ipcinfo/docs/IPC_GazaStrip_Alert_July2025.pdf

The IPC warned that a worst case famine scenario was unfolding in Gaza, projecting widespread acute malnutrition including among children under five and pregnant or breastfeeding women.

Reuters – May 12, 2025 (Famine Risk)

Reuters reported that the global hunger monitor said the entire population of Gaza faced a critical risk of famine, with tens of thousands of children projected to suffer acute malnutrition.

Reuters – July 25, 2025 (Therapeutic Food Shortage)

Reuters reported that Gaza was running out of specialized therapeutic food used to treat severely malnourished children, according to UNICEF and aid agencies.

Reuters – July 30, 2025 (Famine Like Conditions)

Reuters described worsening famine like conditions in Gaza, highlighting the deteriorating nutritional status of women and children and the strain on humanitarian operations.

Reuters – November 4, 2025 (Insufficient Winter Supplies)

Reuters reported that aid agencies said food, tents, and other essential supplies were not reaching Gaza in sufficient quantities ahead of winter.

Unfortunately, stories about the starving people of Gaza are really easy to find. Please let me know if you’d like more.

Moving on, since we’ve established that civilians are being intentionally starved, it makes sense that those people would seek out medical aid. But where? Certainly not hospitals, since Israel intentionally bombs those as well. Let’s first examine the law around that.

Under the Geneva Conventions, civilian hospitals and medical units are protected from attack.

Geneva Convention IV, Article 18: Civilian hospitals “may in no circumstances be the object of attack.”

Now, anticipating that you’re a disgusting person who will try to justify hospital strikes, I assume you’ll say that Hamas was using them to store weapons, issue commands, or whatever bogus rationale you come up with. Even if that were the case, the law requires that a clear warning be given, a reasonable time to comply be provided, and the attack must still meet proportionality and distinction requirements.

What does that mean? Even if a hospital loses protection due to misuse, the attacker must distinguish between military objectives and civilians. The anticipated military advantage must outweigh expected civilian harm. Indiscriminate attacks remain illegal.

Pay attention. This next part is important. If a force conducts a second strike targeting rescuers, medical workers, or civilians responding to an initial blast, is a really big no no.

Attacking medical personnel, ambulances, first responders, or journalists is prohibited under the Geneva Conventions. Last but not least, if a second strike intentionally targets rescuers or medical staff, that can constitute a war crime.

Reuters – August 25, 2025 (Nasser Hospital Strike)

Reuters reported that an Israeli strike hit the Nasser Hospital area in Khan Younis, killing at least 20 people including journalists, with Israel saying it was reviewing the incident.

Associated Press – August 25, 2025 (Second Strike at Nasser)

AP reported that two Israeli strikes hit Nasser Hospital, with the second strike killing journalists and rescuers who had responded to the first explosion.

Reuters Investigation – September 26, 2025 (Visual Evidence)

A Reuters investigation using video and forensic analysis reported that Israel’s initial public explanation for the Nasser Hospital strike was contradicted by visual evidence.

Reuters – March 31, 2025 (Red Crescent Medics)

Reuters reported that the bodies of eight Palestinian Red Crescent medics were recovered after they went missing while responding to casualties in Rafah.

The Nasser Hospital strike is the most famous since they double-tapped the first responders, though it’s far from the only hospital strike or double tap. Israel has hit medical facilities more than 700 times since October 2023. No warnings, no time to comply, no proportionality. Straight up war crimes. Countless more examples of stuff just like this.

And that really is the issue here. The response is not proportional. The October 7 attacks were heinous. Over 1,200 innocent casualties, 240 hostages, many of whom later died in captivity. Israel had the right to respond. However, they do not have a right to completely wipe out the Palestinian people, to starve them, to blow up their hospitals, or to kill their women and children. They have far surpassed what can be deemed morally acceptable.

And the world has taken notice. The ICC has issued arrest warrants for Benjamin Netanyahu and former Defense Minister Yoav Gallant on allegations of war crimes and crimes against humanity tied to the conduct of the Gaza war. The charges include alleged starvation of civilians as a method of warfare, intentionally directing attacks against civilians, and persecution. In 2025, the ICC rejected Israel’s attempt to withdraw the warrants and allowed the investigation to continue. These are criminal allegations against individuals and remain unresolved.

Separately, the International Court of Justice is hearing a case brought by South Africa accusing Israel of violating the Genocide Convention. The ICJ has issued provisional measures ordering Israel to prevent acts that could fall under the convention but has not ruled that genocide has occurred (yet). That case concerns state responsibility, not individual criminal liability, and is still pending.

Your attempt to frame this as an attack on the “Jews” is also disgusting, but as you have proven yourself a biased observer, it’s clear that you have an agenda to push regardless of evidence. Any country that conducts itself in this manner should be called out and held accountable, regardless of ethnic group or religion. And yeah, I do hold “my” country to a higher standard than that. I think most Americans do. Really strange of you to try and attack the USA this way.

As I’ve said before, the current Israeli leadership has led Israel down a dark path. The ramifications will be felt well into the future, regardless of whatever kind of BS you try to spin here. Propping it up is doing the state and people of Israel a tremendous injustice. Ultimately, the Palestinian people have a right to exist and no amount of propaganda can take that away. Let’s also not forget that Israel still is not letting foreign journalists in (unless they are under the complete supervision of Israel). Who knows what will be revealed when that finally happens.

Genocide means intentionally destroying, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group. It includes killing members of that group or deliberately creating conditions of life meant to bring about their destruction. Israel has committed genocide in Gaza.

Almost forgot since you have a weird habit of spreading your argument over several consecutive post, the idea that Israel could sustain this war at its current scale without US support is not serious. The United States provides billions in military aid, advanced munitions, missile defense funding, intelligence cooperation, and diplomatic cover at the United Nations. Israel is a capable military power, but this level of sustained operation and international insulation would look very different without consistent US backing. Israel has a GDP of 600 billion? Wow, the state of Ohio has a larger GDP than that.

Though I would love for Israel to try to go it alone, they know who daddy is.

“And the world has taken notice”. Notice. hmmmm. Self awareness is not one of your strong suits I take it.

 

[KDSTONE]

Genocide is a serious accusation. Nothing casual about it. And it’s not just a word; it’s a legal claim that has to be backed up.

Side note before we start, comparing the conduct of US troops in Iraq to how the Israeli military is conducting itself in Gaza is grossly disrespectful to American troops. Did US troops intentionally starve Iraqi civilians? Did US troops intentionally target hospitals and, in some cases, “double tap” those hospitals? The US military made mistakes in Iraq, but they were isolated and not a direct policy of the government. Trying to play whataboutism with this is disgusting, and you should frankly be ashamed of yourself.

Now, let’s get into the evidence. We’ll start with intentionally starving men, women, and children by blockading Gaza and refusing to let any aid in.

IPC Famine Alert – July 2025 Source: Integrated Food Security Phase Classification (IPC), July 2025 report https://www.ipcinfo.org/fileadmin/user_upload/ipcinfo/docs/IPC_GazaStrip_Alert_July2025.pdf

The IPC warned that a worst case famine scenario was unfolding in Gaza, projecting widespread acute malnutrition including among children under five and pregnant or breastfeeding women.

Reuters – May 12, 2025 (Famine Risk)

Reuters reported that the global hunger monitor said the entire population of Gaza faced a critical risk of famine, with tens of thousands of children projected to suffer acute malnutrition.

Reuters – July 25, 2025 (Therapeutic Food Shortage)

Reuters reported that Gaza was running out of specialized therapeutic food used to treat severely malnourished children, according to UNICEF and aid agencies.

Reuters – July 30, 2025 (Famine Like Conditions)

Reuters described worsening famine like conditions in Gaza, highlighting the deteriorating nutritional status of women and children and the strain on humanitarian operations.

Reuters – November 4, 2025 (Insufficient Winter Supplies)

Reuters reported that aid agencies said food, tents, and other essential supplies were not reaching Gaza in sufficient quantities ahead of winter.

Unfortunately, stories about the starving people of Gaza are really easy to find. Please let me know if you’d like more.

Moving on, since we’ve established that civilians are being intentionally starved, it makes sense that those people would seek out medical aid. But where? Certainly not hospitals, since Israel intentionally bombs those as well. Let’s first examine the law around that.

Under the Geneva Conventions, civilian hospitals and medical units are protected from attack.

Geneva Convention IV, Article 18: Civilian hospitals “may in no circumstances be the object of attack.”

Now, anticipating that you’re a disgusting person who will try to justify hospital strikes, I assume you’ll say that Hamas was using them to store weapons, issue commands, or whatever bogus rationale you come up with. Even if that were the case, the law requires that a clear warning be given, a reasonable time to comply be provided, and the attack must still meet proportionality and distinction requirements.

What does that mean? Even if a hospital loses protection due to misuse, the attacker must distinguish between military objectives and civilians. The anticipated military advantage must outweigh expected civilian harm. Indiscriminate attacks remain illegal.

Pay attention. This next part is important. If a force conducts a second strike targeting rescuers, medical workers, or civilians responding to an initial blast, is a really big no no.

Attacking medical personnel, ambulances, first responders, or journalists is prohibited under the Geneva Conventions. Last but not least, if a second strike intentionally targets rescuers or medical staff, that can constitute a war crime.

Reuters – August 25, 2025 (Nasser Hospital Strike)

Reuters reported that an Israeli strike hit the Nasser Hospital area in Khan Younis, killing at least 20 people including journalists, with Israel saying it was reviewing the incident.

Associated Press – August 25, 2025 (Second Strike at Nasser)

AP reported that two Israeli strikes hit Nasser Hospital, with the second strike killing journalists and rescuers who had responded to the first explosion.

Reuters Investigation – September 26, 2025 (Visual Evidence)

A Reuters investigation using video and forensic analysis reported that Israel’s initial public explanation for the Nasser Hospital strike was contradicted by visual evidence.

Reuters – March 31, 2025 (Red Crescent Medics)

Reuters reported that the bodies of eight Palestinian Red Crescent medics were recovered after they went missing while responding to casualties in Rafah.

The Nasser Hospital strike is the most famous since they double-tapped the first responders, though it’s far from the only hospital strike or double tap. Israel has hit medical facilities more than 700 times since October 2023. No warnings, no time to comply, no proportionality. Straight up war crimes. Countless more examples of stuff just like this.

And that really is the issue here. The response is not proportional. The October 7 attacks were heinous. Over 1,200 innocent casualties, 240 hostages, many of whom later died in captivity. Israel had the right to respond. However, they do not have a right to completely wipe out the Palestinian people, to starve them, to blow up their hospitals, or to kill their women and children. They have far surpassed what can be deemed morally acceptable.

And the world has taken notice. The ICC has issued arrest warrants for Benjamin Netanyahu and former Defense Minister Yoav Gallant on allegations of war crimes and crimes against humanity tied to the conduct of the Gaza war. The charges include alleged starvation of civilians as a method of warfare, intentionally directing attacks against civilians, and persecution. In 2025, the ICC rejected Israel’s attempt to withdraw the warrants and allowed the investigation to continue. These are criminal allegations against individuals and remain unresolved.

Separately, the International Court of Justice is hearing a case brought by South Africa accusing Israel of violating the Genocide Convention. The ICJ has issued provisional measures ordering Israel to prevent acts that could fall under the convention but has not ruled that genocide has occurred (yet). That case concerns state responsibility, not individual criminal liability, and is still pending.

Your attempt to frame this as an attack on the “Jews” is also disgusting, but as you have proven yourself a biased observer, it’s clear that you have an agenda to push regardless of evidence. Any country that conducts itself in this manner should be called out and held accountable, regardless of ethnic group or religion. And yeah, I do hold “my” country to a higher standard than that. I think most Americans do. Really strange of you to try and attack the USA this way.

As I’ve said before, the current Israeli leadership has led Israel down a dark path. The ramifications will be felt well into the future, regardless of whatever kind of BS you try to spin here. Propping it up is doing the state and people of Israel a tremendous injustice. Ultimately, the Palestinian people have a right to exist and no amount of propaganda can take that away. Let’s also not forget that Israel still is not letting foreign journalists in (unless they are under the complete supervision of Israel). Who knows what will be revealed when that finally happens.

Genocide means intentionally destroying, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group. It includes killing members of that group or deliberately creating conditions of life meant to bring about their destruction. Israel has committed genocide in Gaza.

Almost forgot since you have a weird habit of spreading your argument over several consecutive post, the idea that Israel could sustain this war at its current scale without US support is not serious. The United States provides billions in military aid, advanced munitions, missile defense funding, intelligence cooperation, and diplomatic cover at the United Nations. Israel is a capable military power, but this level of sustained operation and international insulation would look very different without consistent US backing. Israel has a GDP of 600 billion? Wow, the state of Ohio has a larger GDP than that.

Though I would love for Israel to try to go it alone, they know who daddy is.

Population growth in occupied Palestinian territory to drive demand for housing, services – UN

The number of people living in Gaza is expected to more than double over the next 30 years, according to a report released this month by the United Nations Population Fund (UNFPA), which examines demographic changes and opportunities for development in the Gaza Strip and throughout the Occupied...

news.un.org

 

[KDSTONE]

Genocide is a serious accusation. Nothing casual about it. And it’s not just a word; it’s a legal claim that has to be backed up.

Side note before we start, comparing the conduct of US troops in Iraq to how the Israeli military is conducting itself in Gaza is grossly disrespectful to American troops. Did US troops intentionally starve Iraqi civilians? Did US troops intentionally target hospitals and, in some cases, “double tap” those hospitals? The US military made mistakes in Iraq, but they were isolated and not a direct policy of the government. Trying to play whataboutism with this is disgusting, and you should frankly be ashamed of yourself.

Now, let’s get into the evidence. We’ll start with intentionally starving men, women, and children by blockading Gaza and refusing to let any aid in.

IPC Famine Alert – July 2025 Source: Integrated Food Security Phase Classification (IPC), July 2025 report https://www.ipcinfo.org/fileadmin/user_upload/ipcinfo/docs/IPC_GazaStrip_Alert_July2025.pdf

The IPC warned that a worst case famine scenario was unfolding in Gaza, projecting widespread acute malnutrition including among children under five and pregnant or breastfeeding women.

Reuters – May 12, 2025 (Famine Risk)

Reuters reported that the global hunger monitor said the entire population of Gaza faced a critical risk of famine, with tens of thousands of children projected to suffer acute malnutrition.

Reuters – July 25, 2025 (Therapeutic Food Shortage)

Reuters reported that Gaza was running out of specialized therapeutic food used to treat severely malnourished children, according to UNICEF and aid agencies.

Reuters – July 30, 2025 (Famine Like Conditions)

Reuters described worsening famine like conditions in Gaza, highlighting the deteriorating nutritional status of women and children and the strain on humanitarian operations.

Reuters – November 4, 2025 (Insufficient Winter Supplies)

Reuters reported that aid agencies said food, tents, and other essential supplies were not reaching Gaza in sufficient quantities ahead of winter.

Unfortunately, stories about the starving people of Gaza are really easy to find. Please let me know if you’d like more.

Moving on, since we’ve established that civilians are being intentionally starved, it makes sense that those people would seek out medical aid. But where? Certainly not hospitals, since Israel intentionally bombs those as well. Let’s first examine the law around that.

Under the Geneva Conventions, civilian hospitals and medical units are protected from attack.

Geneva Convention IV, Article 18: Civilian hospitals “may in no circumstances be the object of attack.”

Now, anticipating that you’re a disgusting person who will try to justify hospital strikes, I assume you’ll say that Hamas was using them to store weapons, issue commands, or whatever bogus rationale you come up with. Even if that were the case, the law requires that a clear warning be given, a reasonable time to comply be provided, and the attack must still meet proportionality and distinction requirements.

What does that mean? Even if a hospital loses protection due to misuse, the attacker must distinguish between military objectives and civilians. The anticipated military advantage must outweigh expected civilian harm. Indiscriminate attacks remain illegal.

Pay attention. This next part is important. If a force conducts a second strike targeting rescuers, medical workers, or civilians responding to an initial blast, is a really big no no.

Attacking medical personnel, ambulances, first responders, or journalists is prohibited under the Geneva Conventions. Last but not least, if a second strike intentionally targets rescuers or medical staff, that can constitute a war crime.

Reuters – August 25, 2025 (Nasser Hospital Strike)

Reuters reported that an Israeli strike hit the Nasser Hospital area in Khan Younis, killing at least 20 people including journalists, with Israel saying it was reviewing the incident.

Associated Press – August 25, 2025 (Second Strike at Nasser)

AP reported that two Israeli strikes hit Nasser Hospital, with the second strike killing journalists and rescuers who had responded to the first explosion.

Reuters Investigation – September 26, 2025 (Visual Evidence)

A Reuters investigation using video and forensic analysis reported that Israel’s initial public explanation for the Nasser Hospital strike was contradicted by visual evidence.

Reuters – March 31, 2025 (Red Crescent Medics)

Reuters reported that the bodies of eight Palestinian Red Crescent medics were recovered after they went missing while responding to casualties in Rafah.

The Nasser Hospital strike is the most famous since they double-tapped the first responders, though it’s far from the only hospital strike or double tap. Israel has hit medical facilities more than 700 times since October 2023. No warnings, no time to comply, no proportionality. Straight up war crimes. Countless more examples of stuff just like this.

And that really is the issue here. The response is not proportional. The October 7 attacks were heinous. Over 1,200 innocent casualties, 240 hostages, many of whom later died in captivity. Israel had the right to respond. However, they do not have a right to completely wipe out the Palestinian people, to starve them, to blow up their hospitals, or to kill their women and children. They have far surpassed what can be deemed morally acceptable.

And the world has taken notice. The ICC has issued arrest warrants for Benjamin Netanyahu and former Defense Minister Yoav Gallant on allegations of war crimes and crimes against humanity tied to the conduct of the Gaza war. The charges include alleged starvation of civilians as a method of warfare, intentionally directing attacks against civilians, and persecution. In 2025, the ICC rejected Israel’s attempt to withdraw the warrants and allowed the investigation to continue. These are criminal allegations against individuals and remain unresolved.

Separately, the International Court of Justice is hearing a case brought by South Africa accusing Israel of violating the Genocide Convention. The ICJ has issued provisional measures ordering Israel to prevent acts that could fall under the convention but has not ruled that genocide has occurred (yet). That case concerns state responsibility, not individual criminal liability, and is still pending.

Your attempt to frame this as an attack on the “Jews” is also disgusting, but as you have proven yourself a biased observer, it’s clear that you have an agenda to push regardless of evidence. Any country that conducts itself in this manner should be called out and held accountable, regardless of ethnic group or religion. And yeah, I do hold “my” country to a higher standard than that. I think most Americans do. Really strange of you to try and attack the USA this way.

As I’ve said before, the current Israeli leadership has led Israel down a dark path. The ramifications will be felt well into the future, regardless of whatever kind of BS you try to spin here. Propping it up is doing the state and people of Israel a tremendous injustice. Ultimately, the Palestinian people have a right to exist and no amount of propaganda can take that away. Let’s also not forget that Israel still is not letting foreign journalists in (unless they are under the complete supervision of Israel). Who knows what will be revealed when that finally happens.

Genocide means intentionally destroying, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group. It includes killing members of that group or deliberately creating conditions of life meant to bring about their destruction. Israel has committed genocide in Gaza.

Almost forgot since you have a weird habit of spreading your argument over several consecutive post, the idea that Israel could sustain this war at its current scale without US support is not serious. The United States provides billions in military aid, advanced munitions, missile defense funding, intelligence cooperation, and diplomatic cover at the United Nations. Israel is a capable military power, but this level of sustained operation and international insulation would look very different without consistent US backing. Israel has a GDP of 600 billion? Wow, the state of Ohio has a larger GDP than that.

Though I would love for Israel to try to go it alone, they know who daddy is.

As great as this is ( Reuters whoo!) no one can respond to it. 10000 characters? Yikes.

So by your logic, if Hamas takes over a hospital what is the Idf supposed to do then? This isn’t a serious argument. In fact, none of it is.

I’d hoped for better from you.

 

[KDSTONE]

Genocide is a serious accusation. Nothing casual about it. And it’s not just a word; it’s a legal claim that has to be backed up.

Side note before we start, comparing the conduct of US troops in Iraq to how the Israeli military is conducting itself in Gaza is grossly disrespectful to American troops. Did US troops intentionally starve Iraqi civilians? Did US troops intentionally target hospitals and, in some cases, “double tap” those hospitals? The US military made mistakes in Iraq, but they were isolated and not a direct policy of the government. Trying to play whataboutism with this is disgusting, and you should frankly be ashamed of yourself.

Now, let’s get into the evidence. We’ll start with intentionally starving men, women, and children by blockading Gaza and refusing to let any aid in.

IPC Famine Alert – July 2025 Source: Integrated Food Security Phase Classification (IPC), July 2025 report https://www.ipcinfo.org/fileadmin/user_upload/ipcinfo/docs/IPC_GazaStrip_Alert_July2025.pdf

The IPC warned that a worst case famine scenario was unfolding in Gaza, projecting widespread acute malnutrition including among children under five and pregnant or breastfeeding women.

Reuters – May 12, 2025 (Famine Risk)

Reuters reported that the global hunger monitor said the entire population of Gaza faced a critical risk of famine, with tens of thousands of children projected to suffer acute malnutrition.

Reuters – July 25, 2025 (Therapeutic Food Shortage)

Reuters reported that Gaza was running out of specialized therapeutic food used to treat severely malnourished children, according to UNICEF and aid agencies.

Reuters – July 30, 2025 (Famine Like Conditions)

Reuters described worsening famine like conditions in Gaza, highlighting the deteriorating nutritional status of women and children and the strain on humanitarian operations.

Reuters – November 4, 2025 (Insufficient Winter Supplies)

Reuters reported that aid agencies said food, tents, and other essential supplies were not reaching Gaza in sufficient quantities ahead of winter.

Unfortunately, stories about the starving people of Gaza are really easy to find. Please let me know if you’d like more.

Moving on, since we’ve established that civilians are being intentionally starved, it makes sense that those people would seek out medical aid. But where? Certainly not hospitals, since Israel intentionally bombs those as well. Let’s first examine the law around that.

Under the Geneva Conventions, civilian hospitals and medical units are protected from attack.

Geneva Convention IV, Article 18: Civilian hospitals “may in no circumstances be the object of attack.”

Now, anticipating that you’re a disgusting person who will try to justify hospital strikes, I assume you’ll say that Hamas was using them to store weapons, issue commands, or whatever bogus rationale you come up with. Even if that were the case, the law requires that a clear warning be given, a reasonable time to comply be provided, and the attack must still meet proportionality and distinction requirements.

What does that mean? Even if a hospital loses protection due to misuse, the attacker must distinguish between military objectives and civilians. The anticipated military advantage must outweigh expected civilian harm. Indiscriminate attacks remain illegal.

Pay attention. This next part is important. If a force conducts a second strike targeting rescuers, medical workers, or civilians responding to an initial blast, is a really big no no.

Attacking medical personnel, ambulances, first responders, or journalists is prohibited under the Geneva Conventions. Last but not least, if a second strike intentionally targets rescuers or medical staff, that can constitute a war crime.

Reuters – August 25, 2025 (Nasser Hospital Strike)

Reuters reported that an Israeli strike hit the Nasser Hospital area in Khan Younis, killing at least 20 people including journalists, with Israel saying it was reviewing the incident.

Associated Press – August 25, 2025 (Second Strike at Nasser)

AP reported that two Israeli strikes hit Nasser Hospital, with the second strike killing journalists and rescuers who had responded to the first explosion.

Reuters Investigation – September 26, 2025 (Visual Evidence)

A Reuters investigation using video and forensic analysis reported that Israel’s initial public explanation for the Nasser Hospital strike was contradicted by visual evidence.

Reuters – March 31, 2025 (Red Crescent Medics)

Reuters reported that the bodies of eight Palestinian Red Crescent medics were recovered after they went missing while responding to casualties in Rafah.

The Nasser Hospital strike is the most famous since they double-tapped the first responders, though it’s far from the only hospital strike or double tap. Israel has hit medical facilities more than 700 times since October 2023. No warnings, no time to comply, no proportionality. Straight up war crimes. Countless more examples of stuff just like this.

And that really is the issue here. The response is not proportional. The October 7 attacks were heinous. Over 1,200 innocent casualties, 240 hostages, many of whom later died in captivity. Israel had the right to respond. However, they do not have a right to completely wipe out the Palestinian people, to starve them, to blow up their hospitals, or to kill their women and children. They have far surpassed what can be deemed morally acceptable.

And the world has taken notice. The ICC has issued arrest warrants for Benjamin Netanyahu and former Defense Minister Yoav Gallant on allegations of war crimes and crimes against humanity tied to the conduct of the Gaza war. The charges include alleged starvation of civilians as a method of warfare, intentionally directing attacks against civilians, and persecution. In 2025, the ICC rejected Israel’s attempt to withdraw the warrants and allowed the investigation to continue. These are criminal allegations against individuals and remain unresolved.

Separately, the International Court of Justice is hearing a case brought by South Africa accusing Israel of violating the Genocide Convention. The ICJ has issued provisional measures ordering Israel to prevent acts that could fall under the convention but has not ruled that genocide has occurred (yet). That case concerns state responsibility, not individual criminal liability, and is still pending.

Your attempt to frame this as an attack on the “Jews” is also disgusting, but as you have proven yourself a biased observer, it’s clear that you have an agenda to push regardless of evidence. Any country that conducts itself in this manner should be called out and held accountable, regardless of ethnic group or religion. And yeah, I do hold “my” country to a higher standard than that. I think most Americans do. Really strange of you to try and attack the USA this way.

As I’ve said before, the current Israeli leadership has led Israel down a dark path. The ramifications will be felt well into the future, regardless of whatever kind of BS you try to spin here. Propping it up is doing the state and people of Israel a tremendous injustice. Ultimately, the Palestinian people have a right to exist and no amount of propaganda can take that away. Let’s also not forget that Israel still is not letting foreign journalists in (unless they are under the complete supervision of Israel). Who knows what will be revealed when that finally happens.

Genocide means intentionally destroying, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group. It includes killing members of that group or deliberately creating conditions of life meant to bring about their destruction. Israel has committed genocide in Gaza.

Almost forgot since you have a weird habit of spreading your argument over several consecutive post, the idea that Israel could sustain this war at its current scale without US support is not serious. The United States provides billions in military aid, advanced munitions, missile defense funding, intelligence cooperation, and diplomatic cover at the United Nations. Israel is a capable military power, but this level of sustained operation and international insulation would look very different without consistent US backing. Israel has a GDP of 600 billion? Wow, the state of Ohio has a larger GDP than that.

Though I would love for Israel to try to go it alone, they know who daddy is.

Yeh you’re damn right you dumb f- I justify “hospital strikes” when Hamas is using them for its headquarters. International law, such as it is, has sanctioned such strikes, at least when Israel’s not involved anyway

 

[KDSTONE]

Genocide is a serious accusation. Nothing casual about it. And it’s not just a word; it’s a legal claim that has to be backed up.

Side note before we start, comparing the conduct of US troops in Iraq to how the Israeli military is conducting itself in Gaza is grossly disrespectful to American troops. Did US troops intentionally starve Iraqi civilians? Did US troops intentionally target hospitals and, in some cases, “double tap” those hospitals? The US military made mistakes in Iraq, but they were isolated and not a direct policy of the government. Trying to play whataboutism with this is disgusting, and you should frankly be ashamed of yourself.

Now, let’s get into the evidence. We’ll start with intentionally starving men, women, and children by blockading Gaza and refusing to let any aid in.

IPC Famine Alert – July 2025 Source: Integrated Food Security Phase Classification (IPC), July 2025 report https://www.ipcinfo.org/fileadmin/user_upload/ipcinfo/docs/IPC_GazaStrip_Alert_July2025.pdf

The IPC warned that a worst case famine scenario was unfolding in Gaza, projecting widespread acute malnutrition including among children under five and pregnant or breastfeeding women.

Reuters – May 12, 2025 (Famine Risk)

Reuters reported that the global hunger monitor said the entire population of Gaza faced a critical risk of famine, with tens of thousands of children projected to suffer acute malnutrition.

Reuters – July 25, 2025 (Therapeutic Food Shortage)

Reuters reported that Gaza was running out of specialized therapeutic food used to treat severely malnourished children, according to UNICEF and aid agencies.

Reuters – July 30, 2025 (Famine Like Conditions)

Reuters described worsening famine like conditions in Gaza, highlighting the deteriorating nutritional status of women and children and the strain on humanitarian operations.

Reuters – November 4, 2025 (Insufficient Winter Supplies)

Reuters reported that aid agencies said food, tents, and other essential supplies were not reaching Gaza in sufficient quantities ahead of winter.

Unfortunately, stories about the starving people of Gaza are really easy to find. Please let me know if you’d like more.

Moving on, since we’ve established that civilians are being intentionally starved, it makes sense that those people would seek out medical aid. But where? Certainly not hospitals, since Israel intentionally bombs those as well. Let’s first examine the law around that.

Under the Geneva Conventions, civilian hospitals and medical units are protected from attack.

Geneva Convention IV, Article 18: Civilian hospitals “may in no circumstances be the object of attack.”

Now, anticipating that you’re a disgusting person who will try to justify hospital strikes, I assume you’ll say that Hamas was using them to store weapons, issue commands, or whatever bogus rationale you come up with. Even if that were the case, the law requires that a clear warning be given, a reasonable time to comply be provided, and the attack must still meet proportionality and distinction requirements.

What does that mean? Even if a hospital loses protection due to misuse, the attacker must distinguish between military objectives and civilians. The anticipated military advantage must outweigh expected civilian harm. Indiscriminate attacks remain illegal.

Pay attention. This next part is important. If a force conducts a second strike targeting rescuers, medical workers, or civilians responding to an initial blast, is a really big no no.

Attacking medical personnel, ambulances, first responders, or journalists is prohibited under the Geneva Conventions. Last but not least, if a second strike intentionally targets rescuers or medical staff, that can constitute a war crime.

Reuters – August 25, 2025 (Nasser Hospital Strike)

Reuters reported that an Israeli strike hit the Nasser Hospital area in Khan Younis, killing at least 20 people including journalists, with Israel saying it was reviewing the incident.

Associated Press – August 25, 2025 (Second Strike at Nasser)

AP reported that two Israeli strikes hit Nasser Hospital, with the second strike killing journalists and rescuers who had responded to the first explosion.

Reuters Investigation – September 26, 2025 (Visual Evidence)

A Reuters investigation using video and forensic analysis reported that Israel’s initial public explanation for the Nasser Hospital strike was contradicted by visual evidence.

Reuters – March 31, 2025 (Red Crescent Medics)

Reuters reported that the bodies of eight Palestinian Red Crescent medics were recovered after they went missing while responding to casualties in Rafah.

The Nasser Hospital strike is the most famous since they double-tapped the first responders, though it’s far from the only hospital strike or double tap. Israel has hit medical facilities more than 700 times since October 2023. No warnings, no time to comply, no proportionality. Straight up war crimes. Countless more examples of stuff just like this.

And that really is the issue here. The response is not proportional. The October 7 attacks were heinous. Over 1,200 innocent casualties, 240 hostages, many of whom later died in captivity. Israel had the right to respond. However, they do not have a right to completely wipe out the Palestinian people, to starve them, to blow up their hospitals, or to kill their women and children. They have far surpassed what can be deemed morally acceptable.

And the world has taken notice. The ICC has issued arrest warrants for Benjamin Netanyahu and former Defense Minister Yoav Gallant on allegations of war crimes and crimes against humanity tied to the conduct of the Gaza war. The charges include alleged starvation of civilians as a method of warfare, intentionally directing attacks against civilians, and persecution. In 2025, the ICC rejected Israel’s attempt to withdraw the warrants and allowed the investigation to continue. These are criminal allegations against individuals and remain unresolved.

Separately, the International Court of Justice is hearing a case brought by South Africa accusing Israel of violating the Genocide Convention. The ICJ has issued provisional measures ordering Israel to prevent acts that could fall under the convention but has not ruled that genocide has occurred (yet). That case concerns state responsibility, not individual criminal liability, and is still pending.

Your attempt to frame this as an attack on the “Jews” is also disgusting, but as you have proven yourself a biased observer, it’s clear that you have an agenda to push regardless of evidence. Any country that conducts itself in this manner should be called out and held accountable, regardless of ethnic group or religion. And yeah, I do hold “my” country to a higher standard than that. I think most Americans do. Really strange of you to try and attack the USA this way.

As I’ve said before, the current Israeli leadership has led Israel down a dark path. The ramifications will be felt well into the future, regardless of whatever kind of BS you try to spin here. Propping it up is doing the state and people of Israel a tremendous injustice. Ultimately, the Palestinian people have a right to exist and no amount of propaganda can take that away. Let’s also not forget that Israel still is not letting foreign journalists in (unless they are under the complete supervision of Israel). Who knows what will be revealed when that finally happens.

Genocide means intentionally destroying, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group. It includes killing members of that group or deliberately creating conditions of life meant to bring about their destruction. Israel has committed genocide in Gaza.

Almost forgot since you have a weird habit of spreading your argument over several consecutive post, the idea that Israel could sustain this war at its current scale without US support is not serious. The United States provides billions in military aid, advanced munitions, missile defense funding, intelligence cooperation, and diplomatic cover at the United Nations. Israel is a capable military power, but this level of sustained operation and international insulation would look very different without consistent US backing. Israel has a GDP of 600 billion? Wow, the state of Ohio has a larger GDP than that.

Though I would love for Israel to try to go it alone, they know who daddy is.

How many Gazans have starved today? I looked it up and I guess it’s a fraction Are you good at math? I’ll take that as a no. 100 in two years. Sounds kind of like Sweden or the United States?

https://www.google.com/search?q=how...oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari#lfId=ChxjMe[/

 

[DuckDevil]

In your rambling, incoherent nine post response this morning, you haven’t actually refuted anything I said. That’s because what I said is true, and I provided sources. You don’t even bother to read or watch the stuff you share. You’re just a headline pusher. Don’t like Reuters? Cool. This has been widely reported, so pick whatever source you prefer. You citing the horseshoe dynamic is rich. You’re trying to use it to delegitimize activism by equating it to extremism. It just further illustrates that you don’t actually understand what you’re talking about. I’m not going to waste time individually swatting down every Gish gallop you throw at the wall. You can huff and puff all you like. It doesn’t change reality.

Israel is no safer today than it was before October 7. Hamas has the same number of fighters it had before. The events of the past few years have done nothing to break the cycle of violence perpetuated by both sides. Lasting peace has never been further away. Neither side is blameless. And now Gaza’s infrastructure has been completely destroyed, which will only lead to worse conditions over time and more violence and extremism in the future. It all leads to a worse planet that we all have to live on.

But wait, we’re going to turn the Gaza Strip into the premier tourist destination on Earth. Strangely, there’s never a mention of what happens to the 2.2 million people who live in Gaza. Trying to understand the logic behind that is a fool’s errand. It’s a fantasy.

And now Israel wants to go to war with Iran. Not a country of 2.2 million, a country of 90 million. A country located on the straight of Hormuz, where roughly 25 percent of the world’s seaborn oil trade passes through. And they’re doing everything they can to drag the US along with them. Bibi spends more time in Washington these days than he does in Israel.

Maybe Iran is a paper tiger and the regime falls quickly. Even if that happens, which I doubt, they’ve been in charge for 47 years. Structures get built in and normalized over that long a time. A significant chunk of the population directly benefits from that regime. Iraq was a paper tiger. The US rolled its military relatively quickly. That was never the issue, though. It was the civil war and sectarian violence that followed, which culminated in ISIS taking over a large chunk of the country. The real question is always what fills that empty void. What kind of extremist elements take advantage of the power vacuum? What kind of humanitarian crisis gets unleashed when you destroy the infrastructure for 90 million people? What happens if it turns into Libya?

I sincerely hope war can be avoided and some kind of agreement can be reached. I worry about the loss of life on all sides this war would cause, including American lives. I worry about the economic ramifications for a world economy that’s already extremely shaky. I see no benefit in the US getting sucked into another costly Middle East war. And unlike Iraq and Afghanistan 20 + years ago, our allies aren’t coming along with us after the events of the last year.

Headlines like this don’t make me feel very good about our chances for peace, though:



Meanwhile, it’s hard to explain how catastrophic it will be for Israel long term if they lose the support of the American people.

 

[Ghost of Dattier]

What have I missed?
How are y'all justifying war on Iran today?

 

[DuckDevil]

Under immense pressure, and only after Pam Bondi received a subpoena, the DOJ has now released some of the documents detailing Donald Trump’s alleged crimes against children (aged 13 to 15) that they were illegally concealing from the American public.

It’s important to note that these documents detail the victims’ “first interaction” with the President. Also, the FBI does not conduct four interviews with a witness if their information is not deemed to be credible. More is sure to come. Of the 53 pages that we know were missing from this case thanks to previous reporting, 37 are still being illegally hidden. I wonder what’s in those files?

 

[Ghost of Dattier]

Wow. Military attacks against a country not posing an imminent threat, with plans for it to be a lengthy military engagement, and nothing from conservatives here?
Mounting allegations that our President raped children and nothing from the conservatives here?

Silence is complicity.

 

[DuckDevil]

This is how seriously the administration is taking all of this. Posting video game clips and memes from the official White House account while American soldiers are dying. It’s a joke to them. This is MAGA. Absolutely embarrassing. Clown show.

 

[BOOGIEMAN1914]

^that's not a good look..

 

[DuckDevil]

Are we really surprised that these morons didn’t have a plan before they started a war? Iran is not Venezuela.

7 dead American soldiers so far. 140+ American soldiers wounded so far. Billions of dollars of American military equipment and bases destroyed so far. Billions of dollars in military munitions launched so far. Oil prices up 20% so far. LNG prices up 100% so far.

And we’re just getting started.

The best we can hope for is a Trump TACO at this point. Let the senile, old man declare a fake victory. The administration hasn’t laid out strategic goals for victory (since there never were any), so it should be easy to let him do that. Give him money to build useless monuments to himself that can be cancelled when he loses power. Keep him occupied with the simple things his mind understands.

The next competent President can try to pick up the pieces and deal with the long-term ramifications this presidency has unleashed.

 

[dukesince91]

Are we really surprised that these morons didn’t have a plan before they started a war? Iran is not Venezuela.

7 dead American soldiers so far. 140+ American soldiers wounded so far. Billions of dollars of American military equipment and bases destroyed so far. Billions of dollars in military munitions launched so far. Oil prices up 20% so far. LNG prices up 100% so far.

And we’re just getting started.

The best we can hope for is a Trump TACO at this point. Let the senile, old man declare a fake victory. The administration hasn’t laid out strategic goals for victory (since there never were any), so it should be easy to let him do that. Give him money to build useless monuments to himself that can be cancelled when he loses power. Keep him occupied with the simple things his mind understands.

The next competent President can try to pick up the pieces and deal with the long-term ramifications this presidency has unleashed.

Haha, now do Biden. I see you’re in rare form with your TDS.

 

[DuckDevil]

Haha, now do Biden. I see you’re in rare form with your TDS.

 

[dukesince91]

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Nope, I just vote for the best option and Kamalah sure wasn’t it. Your party believes men can have babies and is all in on abortion. Wave that rainbow flag with pride baby!

 

[Ghost of Dattier]

Nope, I just vote for the best option and Kamalah sure wasn’t it. Your party believes men can have babies and is all in on abortion. Wave that rainbow flag with pride baby!

TDS = Trans Derangement Syndrome
Why are y'all so obsessed with what other people have in their pants and protecting child rapists? Is that why you oppose abortion? To keep pedophiles well supplied? Because it sure isn't about being pro-life. Not when our President and his administration brags about killing people as if it's a video game. Not when healthcare benefits are reduced and everyday living is more expensive.

 

[DuckDevil]

No need to worry about rising gas prices due to Trump’s war with Iran. “We make a lot of money” when they go up! This is a great midterm message, and I can’t wait to see it rolled out in ads for Republicans across the country. This might just be the silver bullet the administration needed to confront the rising cost of living and affordability issues nationwide.

Maybe we should raise prices across the board on everything? We could make even more money, and everyone loves making more money. Oh wait… higher gas prices do, in fact, raise the price of everything else. Awesome. Truly 4D chess right here.

236 days until midterms.

 

[Ghost of Dattier]

I just filed my taxes today. I’m getting a refund that is $850 more than last year. My son doesn’t have to pay taxes on his overtime pay. I know everyone is happy with the “Big Beautiful Bill”!

How much do you net once you factor in groceries, gas, & healthcare?

 

[dukesince91]

How much do you net once you factor in groceries, gas, & healthcare?

Much more than when Biden was in office. I guess you’re fine with your tax dollars going to illegal immigrants as well. How many illegals are you housing? I’m sure you’re for sanctuary cities as well.

 

[DuckDevil]

The rats have begun jumping ship.



Meanwhile, Kevin Hassett, one of Trump’s main economic communicators, laid out a winning midterm message while talking about the Iran war. Trump needs to get this guy on the campaign trail immediately.



JD Vance has begun trying to distance himself from the Iran disaster. The knives are clearly out at the White House.



Trump, 79, seems to be upset that our NATO allies will not help him with the war he started in Iran. He seems to have forgotten that NATO is a defensive alliance that doesn’t apply when you start the war yourself. This memory lapse is not surprising though at his advanced age.



The US isn’t the only country dealing with the ramifications of starting a war though. Besides taking heavy fire, Israel continues to see their US support crater as Americans increasingly blame Netanyahu for taking advantage of a feeble minded Trump in getting him to join the war. The days of receiving blank checks from both political parties appears to be over for Israel going forward.

 

[DuckDevil]

The **** has hit the fan.

Not that Trump, 79, had control of the situation, but he’s completely lost control of it now. Trump is lying, of course. There’s no way Israel crosses that red line without the go-ahead from Trump. What you’re seeing is the Trump pivot to blaming Israel for the rising energy costs. He needs a scapegoat, and the man has no loyalty to anyone but himself. While Israel is partially responsible for the increased prices you’re paying at the pump, and quite frankly everywhere, Trump is equally responsible and deserves all of the ire he’s about to receive for it. He’s screwed up so badly that you’re all going to wind up with free healthcare after the midterms and 2028.

Speaking of loyalty, if anyone in the administration thinks about speaking out on Trump’s terrible decision to start a war with Iran, they can expect an FBI investigation just like Joe Kent. There’s no dissent when you’re in a cult.

But Joe Kent is a really terrible guy with some really terrible views, so I don’t feel that bad for him. I do not wish him the best in his future legal endeavors. Anyone who joined this administration deserves everything terrible that comes to them from it. That goes for the people who voted for him too.

EDIT:



Further evidence of how bad they’ve screwed up. The US is now floating removing sanctions from Iranian oil. This is after we already had to remove sanctions on Russian oil. Removing these sanctions will only delay the inevitable price increase in the short term. It will take years and billions of dollars to rebuild the energy infrastructure that’s been destroyed. It’s unforgivable that they didn’t even have the most basic plan for what happens after the first bombs drop.

I understand why the MAGAs have shut up in this thread. It’s completely indefensible at this point. Rising prices, rising interest rates, rising unemployment, and an exploding deficit all at the same time. This is a recipe for something much worse than the stagflation experienced in the 70s.

I can’t get over the clown bragging about his tax return a few posts up. That money is already gone, bro, with the higher prices you’re about to pay for literally everything in your life. I hope you saved it.

Some people are just too dense to understand the basics. It would be hilarious if it wasn’t so sad.

 

[Ghost of Dattier]

Much more than when Biden was in office. I guess you’re fine with your tax dollars going to illegal immigrants as well. How many illegals are you housing? I’m sure you’re for sanctuary cities as well.

You forgot Obama, men dressing up as women to watch little girls pee, and Spanish at the Super Bowl. They're gonna recall you to the sheep factory.