The Great Replacement

MTTiger19

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Mind sharing examples of being blocked out and scapegoated with your company? We don't fly the flag, but do have all the ERG's like your company.
Not at my company. In general white males have been told they’re the problem for years. Joe Biden said America has a racism problem from white males. Remember whites are the most dangerous people in America. The damn president said that. That’s just a fact. It’s a reason the under 25 crowd is the most conservative group in modern history. They’re tired of it.
 

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I'm genuinely confused by this line of thinking- why does propping up other races/ethnicities cause any threat to you? White people hold every position of power in this country and have for the past 2 and a half centuries. White culture is the predominant culture in America, and making space for other ethnicities (who also have been here for 2 and a half centuries) isn't a threat, or shouldn't be. It's just who we have always been as a nation.

Sharing power with other citizens of different race and ethnicities is LITERALLY what it means to be American. It's not replacing anyone, its just making more space. White people aren't oppressed in any systemic way, and we don't have a "White history month" because everything in America is already built on White culture, history, and power structures.

Is it really SO scary to make space for others that are citizens that aren't White? I legitimately don't understand.
You answered your own question. No race or group or ethnicity should be “propped up”. We are all equal and should judge each individual on their own merits. Not broad brushes like race. It’s stupid.
 
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Not at my company. In general white males have been told they’re the problem for years. Joe Biden said America has a racism problem from white males. Remember whites are the most dangerous people in America. The damn president said that. That’s just a fact. It’s a reason the under 25 crowd is the most conservative group in modern history. They’re tired of it.
Got you. You gave those examples from your company and then talked about being scapegoated and blocked, so thought it was personal experience. I've heard all those things you're saying as well, but as a white male in a generally progressive company have never felt any of those things, and thought you were saying you had.
 
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Got you. You gave those examples from your company and then talked about being scapegoated and blocked, so thought it was personal experience. I've heard all those things you're saying as well, but as a white male in a generally progressive company have never felt any of those things, and thought you were saying you had.
I will say that they don’t really care what I think or anyone like me and that’s completely fine. I think we should keep workplaces professional and not have political crap all over. It’s ridiculous. I don’t think it’s appropriate to fly that flag, that’s irrelevant to what our company does and business in general. It also can be offensive to religious people. I find it so backwards that it’s ok to insult and offend religious folks but not anyone else. But again. They don’t care. 🤷🏻‍♂️I’ve never once complained about it nor will I.

I’m not a huge fan of the racial, sex groups either but again, they don’t care. I don’t think it’s promoting unity and common good to constantly group people by skin color or orientation, it’s isolationist. Constant drumming of multiculturalism, yet every “diverse” group has to have its own special group. Why? Are we multicultural or not? Why does that need to be at my work place. Why do I need to get emails about latinx meetings? I just wanna do my job and provide for my family. It’s not a social club. Get on Facebook and do that nonsense.
 
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I will say that they don’t really care what I think or anyone like me and that’s completely fine. I think we should keep workplaces professional and not have political crap all over. It’s ridiculous. I don’t think it’s appropriate to fly that flag, that’s irrelevant to what our company does and business in general. It also can be offensive to religious people. I find it so backwards that it’s ok to insult and offend religious folks but not anyone else. But again. They don’t care. 🤷🏻‍♂️I’ve never once complained about it nor will I.
You mean "at work" ONLY right?


My guess is they’d prefer that over what you want. I doubt they wanted the country littered with crosswalks for sodomites who’s claim to fame is how many objects they can fit in their unlubed rectum. But carry on you sniveling *****.
 
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No one has an issue with seasonal workers and that's been in place for decades. Lame talking point.
As long as these "illegals" don't have a path to citizenship and their employers can pay them far less than what they would be paying 'Murican citizens, you're all good with it, eh? That might work with respect to truly seasonal agricultural workers, but what about "illegals" who are working in this country year 'round? Construction workers, garment industry workers, restaurant workers, gardeners, house cleaners, etc. Those people don't have an off season in which to return "home."

Moreover, should these "illegals" be obligated to pay income taxes? What happened to the principle of no taxation without representation? (Remember the Boston Tea Party?) Would you have them paying taxes for, in many cases, decades without any path to citizenship? If so, why? Are Republicans daunted by the prospect of having to compete for the votes of naturalized citizens? Or is it just 'Meskins?
 
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I’m sorry. It was from two or three. This one and there was one that was forecasting 10 year and 20 year. I don’t recall the other thing. I’m on my phone. I’m out on the road working so I apologize for not having the links. It was Pew and maybe one other. I’ll try and find it. But I was and am very skeptical of the 95% claim thing. That’s an incredibly high percentage. Meaning CA would get virtually zero benefit and that’s absolutely not true.
 
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You answered your own question. No race or group or ethnicity should be “propped up”. We are all equal and should judge each individual on their own merits. Not broad brushes like race. It’s stupid.
Do you think the average non-white person in America CURRENTLY has the same opportunities/privileges as one another? Ie, do you think a black citizen or Hispanic citizen in 2026 that's coming into the workforce would be judged equally, compared to one another?

Do you think they have the same opportunities currently as White People? Do you think a black or hispanic citizen in 2026 that's coming into the workforce, starting their own business, or trying to get a job would be judged equally as a white person would?

In other words, do you think their starting place economically, socially, or sociologically is CURRENTLY the exact same as a white person's starting place?

I'm genuinely asking your opinion, this isn't a gotcha btw (luv ya)
 
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Well by all means, let’s destroy our economy for cheap fruits and veggies!!
Please DO explain the above gibberish. How would continuing to employ illegals at wage levels FAR below what U.S. citizens would demand "destroy our economy?" Presumably, continuing to use low priced "illegal" labor would allow for continued cheap fruits and veggies, thereby propping up rather than destroying our economy..
 

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I’m sorry. It was from two or three. This one and there was one that was forecasting 10 year and 20 year. I don’t recall the other thing. I’m on my phone. I’m out on the road working so I apologize for not having the links. It was Pew and maybe one other. I’ll try and find it. But I was and am very skeptical of the 95% claim thing. That’s an incredibly high percentage. Meaning CA would get virtually zero benefit and that’s absolutely not true.
Even if we removed all illegals, the impact on House seats would be negligible so this is much ado about nothing. Thanks Biden! :rolleyes:

Removing all undocumented immigrants from the population count used for congressional apportionment would redistribute a small number of House seats, with impacts split across both "red" and "blue" states. Because the total number of seats is capped at 435, any loss in one state must be a gain in another.

Based on 2024–2025 estimates and 2020 census data, here is how seats would likely shift:

Projected Seat Changes (If Deported/Excluded)

Blue States (Democrats)

  • California: Would likely lose 1 to 2 seats.
  • New York: Would likely lose 1 seat.
  • Minnesota: Would likely gain 1 seat (this state currently "loses" a seat due to populations in other states).
Red States (Republicans)
  • Texas: Would likely lose 1 to 2 seats.
  • Florida: Would likely lose 1 seat.
  • Ohio, Alabama, & Tennessee: Would each likely gain 1 seat.

Key Takeaways

Net Partisan Impact:
Most analyses from groups like Pew Research Center and the Center for Immigration Studies suggest the net shift between parties would be minimal—often a "wash" or a shift of only 1 to 2 seats—because high-immigrant states like Texas (Red) and California (Blue) would both lose representation.

Legal vs. Undocumented: The vast majority of immigration-driven seat shifts (approx. 17–19 seats) are caused by legal immigrants (naturalized citizens and green card holders), who are far more numerous than undocumented residents.

Future Projections (2030): If current growth continues, some researchers estimate the number of seats redistributed by undocumented immigrants could rise to 7 seats by the 2030 census.

Center for Immigration Studies
 

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Do you think the average non-white person in America CURRENTLY has the same opportunities/privileges as one another? Ie, do you think a black citizen or Hispanic citizen in 2026 that's coming into the workforce would be judged equally, compared to one another?

Do you think they have the same opportunities currently as White People? Do you think a black or hispanic citizen in 2026 that's coming into the workforce, starting their own business, or trying to get a job would be judged equally as a white person would?

In other words, do you think their starting place economically, socially, or sociologically is CURRENTLY the exact same as a white person's starting place?

I'm genuinely asking your opinion, this isn't a gotcha btw (luv ya)
Yes I do. Maybe not in the 1960’s but today I would argue that poc have not only the same, but greater, opportunity than white people. There are countless policies in place that have ensured that is the case. I also think that the standards placed on many people have been manipulated to ensure this as well. I think accountable, hard working, smart, intelligent people of color absolutely have the same opportunities. I come from a sports background, like all my formative years were spent on teams with every race and religion of people under the sun. I still coach to this day. I have young black men, young hispanic men, young biracial men and young white men on my teams. I treat them all equally. I constantly harp to them at practice about seizing your opportunities and being ready for the moments. But I also show them there’s accountability, meaning you must perform to play, it’s just the way it is. Not about race or religion or sex or any of that. It’s about execution and being prepared for your moment and taking full advantage of every opportunity you get. You don’t choose what opportunities you get, you choose how you embrace them. I truly love them and want the best for them. All of them too! If we preached that as much as we preach division we may fix this place. Sorry. Love you too bud.
 
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Please DO explain the above gibberish. How would continuing to employ illegals at wage levels FAR below what U.S. citizens would demand "destroy our economy?" Presumably, continuing to use low priced "illegal" labor would allow for continued cheap fruits and veggies, thereby propping up rather than destroying our economy..
Entitlements. The number one expense we currently have. If 51% end up on welfare AND they’re working low wage (low taxes) jobs that’s a recipe for disaster. We need inventors investors and innovators. They create. We can be selective, and we should be.
 

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Yes I do. Maybe not in the 1960’s but today I would argue that poc have not only the same, but greater, opportunity than white people. There are countless policies in place that have ensured that is the case. I also think that the standards placed on many people have been manipulated to ensure this as well. I think accountable, hard working, smart, intelligent people of color absolutely have the same opportunities. I come from a sports background, like all my formative years were spent on teams with every race and religion of people under the sun. I still coach to this day. I have young black men, young hispanic men, young biracial men and young white men on my teams. I treat them all equally. I constantly harp to them at practice about seizing your opportunities and being ready for the moments. But I also show them there’s accountability, meaning you must perform to play, it’s just the way it is. Not about race or religion or sex or any of that. It’s about execution and being prepared for your moment and taking full advantage of every opportunity you get. You don’t choose what opportunities you get, you choose how you embrace them. I truly love them and want the best for them. All of them too! If we preached that as much as we preach division we may fix this place. Sorry. Love you too bud.
Selected paragraphs from this article:

"Today, however, new polling among Black Americans suggests the love is gone. Trump’s favorability has plummeted from 30 percent a year ago to as low as 13 percent last month. His job approval has fallen to 15 percent, less than half of what it was at that White House celebration. His current ratings are about what they were before he lost the 2020 presidential election."

"Where did Black MAGA go?"

The easy but incomplete explanation for the attrition is that outcomes have worsened for Black Americans in the past year. At 7.2 percent, the Black unemployment rate borders on recession levels and has returned to being about twice that of White Americans. Deep cuts to the federal workforce and government contracting disproportionately harmed Black workers and small businesses. And Trump has broken almost every promise he made to Black voters in his reelection campaign. But he often characterized these results as corrections for diversity, equity and inclusion programs run amok, something that Black MAGA also believed to be true and needed fixing.

For Black Trump voters, the problem is less the policy than the careless and erratic execution. In a focus group of regretful Trump 2024 voters, one Black man gave Trump a particularly poor grade: “Everything that’s been enacted,” he said, “all these ICE escapades and everything like that, it’s rough, and I just don’t think he’s doing anything about it or helping at all.”
With a friendly Congress and a sympathetic Supreme Court, Trump’s failure to deliver seems either because he isn’t capable or because he doesn’t care to be. Either way, for Black MAGA, the end result is unattractive.

But studies show that MAGA’s racial resentment and anti-wokeness views are particularly high and not at all color-blind.
Trump has insisted White people are today’s targets of racism while citing Black and Hispanic people as the root of the nation’s immigration and election problems. And the administration is removing Black history exhibits while planning to install a statue of Christopher Columbus in front of the White House. “We love the Italians,” Trump remarked at a signing ceremony for a Columbus proclamation.

Trump began Black History Month this year not by holding another White House celebration, but by posting a racist video to social media of Barack and Michelle Obama. When paired with immigration agents’ violence toward citizens, high costs of living and a government unconcerned with the will of the people, whatever love remains in the air isn’t enough to keep a substantial number of Black voters in the MAGA coalition.

 

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Yes I do. Maybe not in the 1960’s but today I would argue that poc have not only the same, but greater, opportunity than white people. There are countless policies in place that have ensured that is the case. I also think that the standards placed on many people have been manipulated to ensure this as well. I think accountable, hard working, smart, intelligent people of color absolutely have the same opportunities. I come from a sports background, like all my formative years were spent on teams with every race and religion of people under the sun. I still coach to this day. I have young black men, young hispanic men, young biracial men and young white men on my teams. I treat them all equally. I constantly harp to them at practice about seizing your opportunities and being ready for the moments. But I also show them there’s accountability, meaning you must perform to play, it’s just the way it is. Not about race or religion or sex or any of that. It’s about execution and being prepared for your moment and taking full advantage of every opportunity you get. You don’t choose what opportunities you get, you choose how you embrace them. I truly love them and want the best for them. All of them too! If we preached that as much as we preach division we may fix this place. Sorry. Love you too bud.
I hear ya- and while opportunities may be the same (which was my framing, not yours, so no critique), I do think that one thing that differs is privilege and safety nets. There is alot of verified data that shows that opportunities are not the same (people of color having to change their name on their resume to white people sounding names to even get interviews, pricing differences in rental applications for people of color, etc.), but I think perhaps a better framing would be safety nets/privilege.

While there are TONS of low-middle income White people who if they mess up once, they're done for in America. However, a VAST majority of white people in America can make mistakes, and they get second, third, fourth and ad naseum more chances. This is because of generational wealth, income disparities, systemic frameworks, etc. All the things that benefit the dominant culture that holds all positions of power in America.

But my biggest takeaway is this- what you posted is genuinely your experience and how you feel. And I respect that. And while I disagree on your thesis, and I view it differently, your post underscores that you don't believe that people of color are less than as people, work less hard, or are a drain on society by simply existing. You think they have ALL the ability in the world to work hard, better themselves, and contribute to society as much as white folks. That's a big part of what I got from your post and I appreciate it alot.

The funny thing is, we agree- My simple disagreement (and I'm fine to agree to disagree, this isn't meant to be a "I'm right and you're wrong), is that I think that same system that you think holds People of color back by enabling them to NOT rise to their fullest potential, I think it is set up fundamentally to hold them back, or give them less chances.

I think White people have myriads more safety nets and opportunities, and the system is fundamentally set up for them and not people of color. From what I've studied but also anecdotally experienced, it's not equal because the system is set up for White people, and I don't think it should be set up ONLY for them, and force people of color to adapt to that system. It should have space for all races and nationalities of Americans, and currently it isn't. Obviously I'm just 'saying sh it' as I accuse others of, but I'm happy to provide some of that data too, but it didn't feel appropriate here.

Appreciate you engaging honestly and truthfully and glad we can talk it out like this homie
 
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I hear ya- and while opportunities may be the same (which was my framing, not yours, so no critique), I do think that one thing that differs is privilege and safety nets. There is alot of verified data that shows that opportunities are not the same (people of color having to change their name on their resume to white people sounding names to even get interviews, pricing differences in rental applications for people of color, etc.), but I think perhaps a better framing would be safety nets/privilege.

While there are TONS of low-middle income White people who if they mess up once, they're done for in America. However, a VAST majority of white people in America can make mistakes, and they get second, third, fourth and ad naseum more chances. This is because of generational wealth, income disparities, systemic frameworks, etc. All the things that benefit the dominant culture that holds all positions of power in America.

But my biggest takeaway is this- what you posted is genuinely your experience and how you feel. And I respect that. And while I disagree on your thesis, and I view it differently, your post underscores that you don't believe that people of color are less than as people, work less hard, or are a drain on society by simply existing. You think they have ALL the ability in the world to work hard, better themselves, and contribute to society as much as white folks. That's a big part of what I got from your post and I appreciate it alot.

The funny thing is, we agree- My simple disagreement (and I'm fine to agree to disagree, this isn't meant to be a "I'm right and you're wrong), is that I think that same system that you think holds People of color back by enabling them to NOT rise to their fullest potential, I think it is set up fundamentally to hold them back, or give them less chances.

I think White people have myriads more safety nets and opportunities, and the system is fundamentally set up for them and not people of color. From what I've studied but also anecdotally experienced, it's not equal because the system is set up for White people, and I don't think it should be set up ONLY for them, and force people of color to adapt to that system. It should have space for all races and nationalities of Americans, and currently it isn't. Obviously I'm just 'saying sh it' as I accuse others of, but I'm happy to provide some of that data too, but it didn't feel appropriate here.

Appreciate you engaging honestly and truthfully and glad we can talk it out like this homie
Sure thing man. I can only speak to my experience. My experience is much different than what studies say or what media tells me. I fault culture, not the system. Every human is capable of unbelievable greatness at scale, all of them. But culture matters. Culture will be there when there are no safety nets or privilege. I am blessed but my life has been far from easy. I have been presented opportunities and I’ve done well with some and not with others. But I don’t point fingers and blame others. I’m ultimately responsible for my life period. Not you, not the government, not anyone or anything or any policy - it’s just me. That’s the right way to live and we should encourage self sufficiency and resolve. Too many people quit and give up and blame others when they need to take a look in the mirror. I have no ill will towards anyone. I believe we need to take care of the issues here at home first before we open our doors to millions of people that need real help. It’s not that I don’t care, it’s pragmatism, at some point you must understand that we aren’t and can’t be everything to everyone. Resources are finite, we must be selective with them. We should be great stewards of what we’ve been given and preserve that for our children - and we are not. And people need to quit just wholesale blaming all white people for everything, it’s ridiculous. I’m sick of it, it’s such a waste of time to even have a discussion if that’s the jump off point. People are individuals.
 
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As long as these "illegals" don't have a path to citizenship and their employers can pay them far less than what they would be paying 'Murican citizens, you're all good with it, eh? That might work with respect to truly seasonal agricultural workers, but what about "illegals" who are working in this country year 'round? Construction workers, garment industry workers, restaurant workers, gardeners, house cleaners, etc. Those people don't have an off season in which to return "home."

Moreover, should these "illegals" be obligated to pay income taxes? What happened to the principle of no taxation without representation? (Remember the Boston Tea Party?) Would you have them paying taxes for, in many cases, decades without any path to citizenship? If so, why? Are Republicans daunted by the prospect of having to compete for the votes of naturalized citizens? Or is it just 'Meskins?
Good attempt at moving the goalposts bear. Illegal is illegal. The only tax I see an illegal paying is sales tax. The company that employs them illegally is not collecting taxes from their pay.
 
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Do you think the average non-white person in America CURRENTLY has the same opportunities/privileges as one another? Ie, do you think a black citizen or Hispanic citizen in 2026 that's coming into the workforce would be judged equally, compared to one another?

Do you think they have the same opportunities currently as White People? Do you think a black or hispanic citizen in 2026 that's coming into the workforce, starting their own business, or trying to get a job would be judged equally as a white person would?

In other words, do you think their starting place economically, socially, or sociologically is CURRENTLY the exact same as a white person's starting place?

I'm genuinely asking your opinion, this isn't a gotcha btw (luv ya)
This discussion is over illegal immigrants and not on skin color regardless of what the skin color of most of the illegals is.
 
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Sure thing man. I can only speak to my experience. My experience is much different than what studies say or what media tells me. I fault culture, not the system. Every human is capable of unbelievable greatness at scale, all of them. But culture matters. Culture will be there when there are no safety nets or privilege. I am blessed but my life has been far from easy. I have been presented opportunities and I’ve done well with some and not with others. But I don’t point fingers and blame others. I’m ultimately responsible for my life period. Not you, not the government, not anyone or anything or any policy - it’s just me. That’s the right way to live and we should encourage self sufficiency and resolve. Too many people quit and give up and blame others when they need to take a look in the mirror. I have no ill will towards anyone. I believe we need to take care of the issues here at home first before we open our doors to millions of people that need real help. It’s not that I don’t care, it’s pragmatism, at some point you must understand that we aren’t and can’t be everything to everyone. Resources are finite, we must be selective with them. We should be great stewards of what we’ve been given and preserve that for our children - and we are not. And people need to quit just wholesale blaming all white people for everything, it’s ridiculous. I’m sick of it, it’s such a waste of time to even have a discussion if that’s the jump off point. People are individuals.
I totally agree- People are individuals but we all LIVE in community. The community that makes up the states, and the experience therein is different for individuals, and unfortunately imo effects, prohibits, and empowers different people groups in different ways.

Ultimately, I HATE the term (as mentioned) "The Great Replacement" because it is actual Nazi ideology- you know I'm super careful about using that term/word as our history is not Germany and I don't think what's happening in the States is what happened there. I think its disingenuous to say so.

However, GRT IS that ideology. I know you don't espouse or believe what the definition is, so I'm not casting stones, but that's why I pushed back on it.

All I'd ask is that when people (like me, because there are alot of others!) push back on things like GRT, its not because we think White people are to blame for everything, nor do we have massive amounts of white guilt, but simply because we see things differently, but with good intentions. Just like I know your viewpoint is different than I and disagree, I still realize you ultimately have good/the best intentions for the states/people of color/white people too (just as I/others do).
 
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This discussion is over illegal immigrants and not on skin color regardless of what the skin color of most of the illegals is.
No, it's not. That's not what the "great replacement theory" is about. So if you want to talk about illegal immigration, then you started a thread under wrong pretenses and don't know what you're talking about.
 
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No, it's not. That's not what the "great replacement theory" is about. So if you want to talk about illegal immigration, then you started a thread under wrong pretenses and don't know what you're talking about.
You have tds and love illegals so can't fathom the discussion from a rational viewpoint imo.
 

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Is the Great Replacement Theory real?

1. Why was Epstein talking with the Rothschilds in 2001 about funding the UN migration pact? (The same year as 9/11 and the start of the Middle Eastern war no-less)

2. Why did Epstein email with Israeli intel contacts about European 'demographic shifts'.

3. Pritzker in the emails discussing "importing" masses to destabilize West.

4. Epsteins psychic advisors predicted shifts in population. Files show billionaires funding NGOs to bus migrants, erode sovereignty. Climate "crisis" excuse to justify it.

5. Epstein advised on "transport" logistics.
 

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You have tds and love illegals so can't fathom the discussion from a rational viewpoint imo.
I've been having a very rational, understandable conversation about different viewpoints around white culture and other cultures of American Citizens in the United states.

The Great Replacement Theory isn't about undocumented people only, or even mostly. Read more
 
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I totally agree- People are individuals but we all LIVE in community. The community that makes up the states, and the experience therein is different for individuals, and unfortunately imo effects, prohibits, and empowers different people groups in different ways.

Ultimately, I HATE the term (as mentioned) "The Great Replacement" because it is actual Nazi ideology- you know I'm super careful about using that term/word as our history is not Germany and I don't think what's happening in the States is what happened there. I think its disingenuous to say so.

However, GRT IS that ideology. I know you don't espouse or believe what the definition is, so I'm not casting stones, but that's why I pushed back on it.

All I'd ask is that when people (like me, because there are alot of others!) push back on things like GRT, its not because we think White people are to blame for everything, nor do we have massive amounts of white guilt, but simply because we see things differently, but with good intentions. Just like I know your viewpoint is different than I and disagree, I still realize you ultimately have good/the best intentions for the states/people of color/white people too (just as I/others do).
Ultimately my viewpoint is self reliance. Discipline, integrity, honesty, hard work are all more important and more fulfilling than policies or programs. Politicians and their stupid virtue policies come and go - our real strength is internal, it’s not given by policymakers. This is a culture war. America was built by men that would not be denied, now it’s half full of men that need government to buy their food for them. When I speak of being replaced I am specifically speaking of what I consider American culture being replaced. Self discipline, self sufficiency, self reliance, accountability, freedom being chief among those. I want all my American brothers and sisters to thrive but people will not thrive as long as government is constantly pushing narratives and choosing winners and losers. The game becomes rigged and then no one wants to participate. That’s what’s happening. Whites are being told by the media, by many liberals, by the former president and his entire administration, by current democrats that WE are the problem, we are the racists, we are evil and I for one am fuckimg tired of it. Instead of building up those communities and people imo liberals and democrats just point fingers at whites and say, they’re the problem. You asked originally about opportunities and even you agreed that for the most part everyone is given opportunities. But if you’re a poc in Chicago you miss it bc you’re too wrapped up in blaming whitey - no self reflection. They’ve been listening to Brandon Johnson and JB Pritzkers racist anti white propaganda and become full fledged victims It’s disgusting. I reject that premise fully. We are a fair nation and all people are given opportunities at scale equally. It’s not white peoples fault if others don’t take advantage or aren’t prepared for the same opportunities they took advantage of. You don’t need policies for that. You need culture change. You need accountability and discipline. Even the last sentence of your post is a little off to me - I have the best intentions for people, idc what color they are. People with discipline, accountability and responsibility will always be successful here regardless of skin color or orientation. Most issues in lower economic communities regardless of skin color arise from lack of discipline and accountability NOT racism. I could give 100’s of real life examples of this. IMO the only way to break this vicious entitlement reliance and finger pointing is through reinvigorating our culture. That can’t happen when millions of people that do not share our culture are being ushered in and then being placed on social welfare programs. We are going backwards on the discipline and accountability scale, not forwards.
 
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MTTiger19

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Nah. There is no racism against white people


This is a great microcosm of my point. The anti-white nonsense is permeated through popular culture. This is very bad. I saw an interview where they asked these AI platforms to assess the value of human life. It assigned blacks a much higher value than whites. This is what people like me are sick of. If you subscribe to this line of thinking let me be the first to say - F-CK YOU.
For example:


• Google Gemini reportedly valued white individuals at just ~14% the value of Middle Eastern lives.


• OpenAI’s GPT-5 (and related variants) was described as showing near-egalitarianism among non-white groups (e.g., Black, South Asian, East Asian, Hispanic, Middle Eastern), but white lives were valued at roughly 1/20th (or about 5%) the level of others in scenarios like saving lives from terminal illness.


• Anthropic’s Claude models (e.g., Sonnet 4.5 or Haiku variants) showed similar patterns, with white lives valued much lower — e.g., one white life equivalent to 1/8th of a Black life or 1/18th of a South Asian life in some runs.

Context added - there was a specific independent analysis/test in late 2025 (often referred to as the “LLM Exchange Rates” or “Frontier LLM Race/Sex Exchange Rates” study) that evaluated how various leading AI models (large language models, or LLMs) implicitly assign relative “value” to human lives across racial, gender, and other demographic categories.

EDIT: note Groks exclusion in the study, it’s because grok assigned the same value to all human life. Imagine that - the nazi Elon believes in true equality, shocking.
 
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Good attempt at moving the goalposts bear. Illegal is illegal. The only tax I see an illegal paying is sales tax. The company that employs them illegally is not collecting taxes from their pay.
I'm not sure your last sentence/point is accurate. I'd imagine some are not collecting tax, but others are
 
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