and yet he didn't get the major.
Oklahoma State V. Virginia Tech
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It was bad except for the Forrest match. It appeared VT's goal was to take every match to OT tied 0-0.
Honestly hard to be real aggressive when opponents won’t engage. Most wrestled with back to edge. Not many shots other than 33 and 74.
I agree that VT stalled too much, but that was the worst we've looked all year. Feels like this might have been the annual hell week. Great job by Jax to get the W, that is what winners do. However, he will be very fortunate to win matches in the future where he loses the takedown battle 3-1.
I am mentally preparing myself for a solid showing against Iowa, a bad showing at Big XII's, and all of our guys wrestling out of their minds at NCAAs.
I am mentally preparing myself for a solid showing against Iowa, a bad showing at Big XII's, and all of our guys wrestling out of their minds at NCAAs.
I think he will be prepared to defend Seidel's takedown next time. Not sure Seidel has upside on Jax.
VT’s 125 should have been given multiple stall calls. Troy wrestled well but he is not strong enough against that guy. Ironically, when the ref started calling stalls, we got the majority of them.
VT was allowed to wrestle in reverse and counter our shots. Makes for boring matches and it should give us game experience against that style going into next week.
This was probably our poorest offensive match of the year. VT’s strategy had much to do with it but we were not aggressive. We may have as many stall warnings and penalties as we did takedowns. At least it seemed like it during the match.
VT was allowed to wrestle in reverse and counter our shots. Makes for boring matches and it should give us game experience against that style going into next week.
This was probably our poorest offensive match of the year. VT’s strategy had much to do with it but we were not aggressive. We may have as many stall warnings and penalties as we did takedowns. At least it seemed like it during the match.
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We are now in a situation that opponents are going to do this. Robie is no dummy and does a good job. This was a game planned effort by VT to thwart pace and attacks. The hand fighting wasn’t even done in a manner to create openings.
It was a pretty poor performance by VaTech as far as trying to score goes. It was a perfect performance in trying to win.
We can handwring all we want, but this is the multipleist time this half of the season we’ve seen people Wrestle to keep it close. People aren’t Wrestling to beat us, they are Wrestling to steal a win…ie Troy and Cody.
We are now in a situation that opponents are going to do this. Robie is no dummy and does a good job. This was a game planned effort by VT to thwart pace and attacks. The hand fighting wasn’t even done in a manner to create openings.
It was a pretty poor performance by VaTech as far as trying to score goes. It was a perfect performance in trying to win.
We can handwring all we want, but this is the multipleist time this half of the season we’ve seen people Wrestle to keep it close. People aren’t Wrestling to beat us, they are Wrestling to steal a win…ie Troy and Cody.
I peaked over at the VT board and several were quite reasonable. But there was one guy that made me bust out laughing. Without the tiniest hint of irony, He said that he loved VT’s aggression and that we were going to get bit at nationals wrestling the way we did. 
He’s not wrong honestly if we don’t figure out how to beat active stalling.I peaked over at the VT board and several were quite reasonable. But there was one guy that made me bust out laughing. Without the tiniest hint of irony, He said that he loved VT’s aggression and that we were going to get bit at nationals wrestling the way we did.
Good matches by Jax, Dee, Facundo, Doucet. Spratley, Robideau and Merrill got to finish their shots or will lose in a similar way in one of the early NCAA rounds..
This looked like a B level performance for the team as a whole. They were lethargic, but V. Tech at home is tough. I think we'll see the A version of the team next week against Iowa.
Seidel is the real deal. He's a title contender. Gutsy win by Jax. He needed that kind of competition, it'll be good for him. Jax needs to tighten some technique up, particularly on his feet.
I thought Cody really got screwed. The stalling calls were a joke he was the aggressor the whole match. I thought he got a takedown in the first period as well - clearly set the guy to a hip.
Seidel is the real deal. He's a title contender. Gutsy win by Jax. He needed that kind of competition, it'll be good for him. Jax needs to tighten some technique up, particularly on his feet.
I thought Cody really got screwed. The stalling calls were a joke he was the aggressor the whole match. I thought he got a takedown in the first period as well - clearly set the guy to a hip.
100%. Teams try the same crap against PSU and still get beat 40-3. Just because the other guy is stalling doesn't mean you're helpless.
A February high around 60 degrees in the Chicago suburbs meant I needed to record this dual. I just got around to watching it after some New York strips on the grill (reverse sear changed my life).
I won't go through the whole thing, just the contrast between 125 and 133.
I had a birthday dinner the other day with a friend who had a similar birthday. We took a picture together and I was shocked to see what others see of my hair line. Man, has it been in retreat. It left me feeling pretty old. But then I watched Eddie Ventresca and thought, you know what, I'm not doing so bad. But then Spratley/Ventresca aged me another few years. Brutal to watch lightweights dance like bears.
On the other hand....
Seidel/Forrest? Four more years? Maybe eleven more meetings? Yes, please, and thank you. Sign me up for every one of them. Watching those two with the devil may care attitude letting the fur fly was exactly what the doctor ordered.
I won't go through the whole thing, just the contrast between 125 and 133.
I had a birthday dinner the other day with a friend who had a similar birthday. We took a picture together and I was shocked to see what others see of my hair line. Man, has it been in retreat. It left me feeling pretty old. But then I watched Eddie Ventresca and thought, you know what, I'm not doing so bad. But then Spratley/Ventresca aged me another few years. Brutal to watch lightweights dance like bears.
On the other hand....
Seidel/Forrest? Four more years? Maybe eleven more meetings? Yes, please, and thank you. Sign me up for every one of them. Watching those two with the devil may care attitude letting the fur fly was exactly what the doctor ordered.
The next time Jax faces Seidel, he’s gonna pin his ***!! He damn near had him this time! Seidel only has the possibility of getting a basic decision on Jax… Jax has the ability to Tech or Pin Seidel’s ***!!. Not even a doubt in my mind!
You know I love ya, but I saw this as the opposite. Jax got decked, and challenged for backpoints late.
I know this will get get cleaned up, but dang, Jax was in danger a few times.
No doubt! I’m just not sure that Seidel can bonus point match with Jax.
obviously I trust your opinion on all things Wrestling!!! You have forgotten more about it than I will ever know!
My opinion, this type match will only make Jax an even better wrestler!
I was kind of surprised Seidel didnt get back points at first period. It must have been real close. But wake up call for Jax nevertheless.
I don’t think he can score bonus him, but I now think he can catch him and keep it.
But, I doubt Jax lets the fur fly again with his elbows up.
Yeah, I expected a challenge there.
It took the officials 2-3 matches to get going.
Can someone explain how Merrill went from up 1-0 to down 2-1 in a matter of seconds...
I know he got hit for stalling and they awarded Sasso for an escape....But if he was awarded an escape, why was Merrill not awarded a takedown thereafter?
I was super confused....Then also, again, we get hit with stalling (which I agreed with it) but how does Sasso not get hit with it when holding purposely holding Merrill's hand to try and entice a stalling for him? And then for the entire minute to end, he doesn't get anything? I guess Merrill didn't have control because the guy was holding on for dear life? He had leverage, his head was up and it felt like he was in control..
Just weird.
Solid Team win, hope this wakes up Forrest, Spratley, and can't wait for Swiderski and Ryder to get back.
I know he got hit for stalling and they awarded Sasso for an escape....But if he was awarded an escape, why was Merrill not awarded a takedown thereafter?
I was super confused....Then also, again, we get hit with stalling (which I agreed with it) but how does Sasso not get hit with it when holding purposely holding Merrill's hand to try and entice a stalling for him? And then for the entire minute to end, he doesn't get anything? I guess Merrill didn't have control because the guy was holding on for dear life? He had leverage, his head was up and it felt like he was in control..
Just weird.
Solid Team win, hope this wakes up Forrest, Spratley, and can't wait for Swiderski and Ryder to get back.
I think Cody got another stall call for 1 pt against him and then Seidel got the escape. I missed that also but rewound and announcers splained it.
I think for it to have worked out like it did, they must’ve called stalling before he lost control. They give the escape and the reattack would’ve have been for a takedown.
The bottom line for this match was the ref was very inconsistent and allowed the crowd to dictate his decisions. The double stall warning on Cody was both correct by definition but totally unwarranted. Cody spent the first couple of minutes chasing Sasso around the mat, much like 125, and Cody was being the aggressor who should have not been dinged.
Poorly officiated match and a lethargic performance by the team left a bad taste in our mouths.
What is wrong with Robideau? Has he hit the freshman wall or have an injury? He is winning but he doesn’t appear to be the same wrestler since his loss to Taylor.
Poorly officiated match and a lethargic performance by the team left a bad taste in our mouths.
What is wrong with Robideau? Has he hit the freshman wall or have an injury? He is winning but he doesn’t appear to be the same wrestler since his loss to Taylor.
Teams now have more film an can game plan better. People now know his tendencies . I posted about this early in the season and how this would happen later in the year with the freshman. Now they've to make adjustments and find other ways to score
We had 2 starters out of the lineup and were wrestling in enemy territory. We would have had 8 wins if Swiderski and Ryder were in the lineup. We lost very close matches in the other two and one second more in either match we would have won those. We did not wrestle our best but Kudos to Virginia Tech for their effort. Jax has to learn from his mistakes. He scored one more point than Seidel but he was out-wrestled. I do not blame the referees for our showing. Other than Vega we did not wrestle our best and I hope we are saving our best for next Sunday.
LET'S GO POKES!!!
LET'S GO POKES!!!
The bottom line is that Cody didn't score any points
End times are nigh upon us people……. I am agreeing with my Pops!!!
Good technique and aggressiveness will overcome opponents stalling!! If it’s not working, try something else. At this level we have an arsenal of attacks. They slowed our pace and got us out of our rhythm. Yes some calls I was scratching my head too but never leave a match up to the fellas in stripes!!
A departure from the wrestling talk, but I thoroughly enjoy having Rock on the call. He’s as passionate about the sport and matches as a guy can get while keeping it professional. Loved when they’d cut to him standing and hopping during the action, because you’d have a hard time telling that’s what he was doing without the video.
Be interesting to see how DT handles the Iowa dual . Will he wrestle a banged up Casey (knee) and Ryder (shoulder) or save them until Big 12s?
I know Iowa is a rivalry dual but March is what matters if I'm him they sit.
I know Iowa is a rivalry dual but March is what matters if I'm him they sit.
I don’t disagree, totally.
What was Troy supposed to do? He chased him to the edge and cut off center for 7 minutes. What was Cody supposed to do?
The rules need discussion and tweaking.
Don’t leave it in the hands of stripes, but it’s not always that easy. The rules need the tweaks to avoid rewarding the guys that try to win by slowing action, focusing only on Defense. How boring would Football be if both teams had 10 yards of total offense?
Both of those guys will be collaborating decisions from the staff and med staff.
But, I agree with you if they can avoid any rust for March. I’d be coaching up a headlock on the two backups haha.
Which I agree but why was he not given a takedown if the refs awarded Sasso the escape after review? If they didn't give him the escape, should've been 1-1 after the stall call.
If either guy isn’t pretty close to 100% or where he thinks they can be for the big 12’s, they sit.
Easy call. Especially for Ryder as I don’t think he beats either 184 for Iowa at anything less than 100%.
It was 1-0 Cody. Ref didn't call the escape. Cody in on legs gets 5 count (yes looked like Sasso holding Cody's hand on leg) stall call thus score 1-1 action stops. Cody chooses neutral position so 1-2 Sasso.
That was an escape but they review and didn't change it. Also sure looked like a TD in first period - both legs hip and on hand on mat and Cody has control of one leg and hip.
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When the other guys stall you need a higher attack rate. I didnt see that. Not near enough level changes to real committed shots. Idk if we have more guys secretly banged up or if the staff worked the dog sh/t out of them this last week. Our guys looked really really sluggish. We mightve pushed a lot of guys to the edge but we didnt really push the pace. Love my Cowboys but winning a match w/o an offensive td or w/ a last second counter against much lower ranked guys isnt the style that gets us top 3 in March.
I thought they awarded the escape after the review? I didn't go back and watch it again but I thought they confirmed Merrill lost the advantage and Sasso was able to turn around and square up, simultaneously Merrill taking a shot.
But if he was given the escape because he chose Neutral, I'd have a hard time agreeing with that decision... Unless he thought he was going to get hit with another stalling but I feel like Merrill was around 30 seconds on riding but Sasso was standing pretty easily.