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Dadar

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Yea Iran was an ally, someone who flew in one of my units had been an instructor pilot in Iran, before the Shah fell. After that the political direction of the country changed totally
If this current regime falls, I'm not certain that the shah's son is the right person to lead them...but he's certainly lobbying for the job
You have to wonder how different the middle east would be without that happening.
 
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baltimorened

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You have to wonder how different the middle east would be without that happening.
personally, I think Trump has an idea of what that difference might be , and is potentially working to make the new mid east a reality.

I think the same about the action in Venezuela. A non Maduro Venezuela has so much potential. It might not have been our place to do it, but boy what a military operation to arrest him.
 
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Dadar

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personally, I think Trump has an idea of what that difference might be , and is potentially working to make the new mid east a reality.

I think the same about the action in Venezuela. A non Maduro Venezuela has so much potential. It might not have been our place to do it, but boy what a military operation to arrest him.
personally, I think Trump has an idea of what that difference might be , and is potentially working to make the new mid east a reality.

I think the same about the action in Venezuela. A non Maduro Venezuela has so much potential. It might not have been our place to do it, but boy what a military operation to arrest him.
Cuba is on the radar also. Looks like a lot of real estate to develop if you don’t consider climate change to be an issue.
 
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fatpiggy

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Cuba is on the radar also. Looks like a lot of real estate to develop if you don’t consider climate change to be an issue.
All the most expensive real estate is on the coast. Until that changes, climate change is a scam.
 

Dadar

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All the most expensive real estate is on the coast. Until that changes, climate change is a scam.
Do you deny that the polar ice caps melting does not affect sea level and ocean current changes?

 

fatpiggy

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Do you deny that the polar ice caps melting does not affect sea level and ocean current changes?

I think ocean current changes and sea level changes have been happening well before humans and will continue well after humans.
 
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you know, I consider myself to be a relatively intelligent person. Admittedly I haven't done any research on truflation, but their numbers are significantly fi=different the bLS. So, in my mind, they must be measuring things differently or measuring different things. Could you share why the difference?
 
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fatpiggy

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you know, I consider myself to be a relatively intelligent person. Admittedly I haven't done any research on truflation, but their numbers are significantly fi=different the bLS. So, in my mind, they must be measuring things differently or measuring different things. Could you share why the difference?
The biggest difference is truflation is updated daily whereas cPi monthly.

Truflation is not always right, they have to adjust sometimes too. But it’s a decent indicator of what’s to come.
 
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I've posted before, so I know I'm being duplicative...But I think Republicans are missing the boat in their approach to the inflation/affordability issue. The average American doesn't care about the numbers and they don't really care about the "whole" approach I.e., that gas price decrease won't offset higher grocery prices...

The Average American is living paycheck to paycheck and if the money they have doesn't equal the amount of goods and services they want to buy, they're going to hold the party in power responsible.

Trump admin telling people how great things are, or how GDP is increasing, or things are going to get better, is, IMO, ineffective. It's the same thing the Biden admin did and it didn't work for them either.
 

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I've posted before, so I know I'm being duplicative...But I think Republicans are missing the boat in their approach to the inflation/affordability issue. The average American doesn't care about the numbers and they don't really care about the "whole" approach I.e., that gas price decrease won't offset higher grocery prices...

The Average American is living paycheck to paycheck and if the money they have doesn't equal the amount of goods and services they want to buy, they're going to hold the party in power responsible.

Trump admin telling people how great things are, or how GDP is increasing, or things are going to get better, is, IMO, ineffective. It's the same thing the Biden admin did and it didn't work for them either.
So we need to buy their votes with a stimulus check?
 

fatpiggy

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I've posted before, so I know I'm being duplicative...But I think Republicans are missing the boat in their approach to the inflation/affordability issue. The average American doesn't care about the numbers and they don't really care about the "whole" approach I.e., that gas price decrease won't offset higher grocery prices...

The Average American is living paycheck to paycheck and if the money they have doesn't equal the amount of goods and services they want to buy, they're going to hold the party in power responsible.

Trump admin telling people how great things are, or how GDP is increasing, or things are going to get better, is, IMO, ineffective. It's the same thing the Biden admin did and it didn't work for them either.
People have memories longer than a gnat. The inflation under the democrat admin was unbearable. While not where we want it to be, it is undoubtedly better under Trump. Trump hears the concerns and is working on it. Truflation is showing inflation under 1% recently. Not sure what else you want him to do?
 

UrHuckleberry

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You know i was saying that in jest, correct? He posted about manufacturing and the right after some good news came out on manufacturing. So i thought i would rib him a little.
I was just ribbing back. I am sure a lot of the 2022 manufacturing growth was the post covid catchup. So figured you'd say that, and then I'd point the same was true about the inflation under Biden. And around and around we go lol
 

fatpiggy

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I was just ribbing back. I am sure a lot of the 2022 manufacturing growth was the post covid catchup. So figured you'd say that, and then I'd point the same was true about the inflation under Biden. And around and around we go lol
We will always disagree about the inflation under Biden.
 

baltimorened

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People have memories longer than a gnat. The inflation under the democrat admin was unbearable. While not where we want it to be, it is undoubtedly better under Trump. Trump hears the concerns and is working on it. Truflation is showing inflation under 1% recently. Not sure what else you want him to do?
I just saying it as I see it. I talk with people, democrat and republican, and to a man, they all know what you know about the past administration, but after a year, the economy belongs to Trump. The announced inflation rate of 1%, as you posted, is great but prices are going up. Now all of us understand that even a 1% inflation rate means that , in general, that means prices are going up by 1%.

50% of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck...that means just getting by. I'm not suggesting anybody else could do any better, but voters punish the people in office, not those who promise they can do better. Nobody runs on the promise to do worse that the incumbent
 

TigerGrowls

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I just saying it as I see it. I talk with people, democrat and republican, and to a man, they all know what you know about the past administration, but after a year, the economy belongs to Trump. The announced inflation rate of 1%, as you posted, is great but prices are going up. Now all of us understand that even a 1% inflation rate means that , in general, that means prices are going up by 1%.

50% of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck...that means just getting by. I'm not suggesting anybody else could do any better, but voters punish the people in office, not those who promise they can do better. Nobody runs on the promise to do worse that the incumbent
So Ned is demanding deflation while the economy is growing....ok.
 
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baltimorened

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So Ned is demanding deflation while the economy is growing....ok.
I think you are misinterpreting what Ned is demanding. He is demanding nothing..I'm only pointing out what I see as reality. The economy is the economy...Right now it belongs to Trump. If, I'm a voter, living paycheck to paycheck, I don't just vote for the status quo.

There are already some signs of cracks...Dem seat in Texas, Mamdani.....normal loss of seats in Congress during off years elections
 
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TigerGrowls

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I think you are misinterpreting what Ned is demanding. He is demanding nothing..I'm only pointing out what I see as reality. The economy is the economy...Right now it belongs to Trump. If, I'm a voter, living paycheck to paycheck, I don't just vote for the status quo.

There are already some signs of cracks...Dem seat in Texas, Mamdani.....normal loss of seats in Congress during off years elections
You have a perfect right to this opinion and I am sure some others feel the same but its misdirected to blame Trump for the continued high prices. Inflation is built into this machine and Trump has it down to a historically accepted normal level but that means its still increases. Now he has brought gas down by increasing supply. He is not going commie and impose lower prices on food by govt edict. Rents are down...fact. Food is almost flat.

Then move forward to November and a person is still not happy a year and a half in then who is dumb enough to think the democrats with possibly control of the house at best could fo anything better??? They would just waste time trying to impeach Trump for 2 years. It would be a disaster. Democrats do not know how to run a nation.
 
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fatpiggy

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So Ned is demanding deflation while the economy is growing....ok.
Yeah, not sure what he wants, magic?

All the data says what he wants is happening. Housing costs coming down, inflation under the intended target, growth good.

I understand his point that your everyday consumer may take a while to feel it, but prices aren’t going back to pre COVID levels, not without crashing the economy. That is just an unrealistic delusion.

I give Trump high marks on the economy, even for the lower class.
 

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Love charts like this. Where bar charts are used to show 2 percentage points in overall difference. Not arguing any inaccuracy, just think it’s a funny way of showing it visually.
Anything above 50 is good. That means growth.
 

baltimorened

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You have a perfect right to this opinion and I am sure some others feel the same but its misdirected to blame Trump for the continued high prices. Inflation is built into this machine and Trump has it down to a historically accepted normal level but that means its still increases. Now he has brought gas down by increasing supply. He is not going commie and impose lower prices on food by govt edict. Rents are down...fact. Food is almost flat.

Then move forward to November and a person is still not happy a year and a half in then who is dumb enough to think the democrats with possibly control of the house at best could fo anything better??? They would just waste time trying to impeach Trump for 2 years. It would be a disaster. Democrats do not know how to run a nation.
I'm not disagreeing with your points...my only point was that IMO people who are running for office can promise anything, but incumbents have to defend the reality.

Who's dumbest enough..come on, there are plenty of people dumb enough...just look at recent elections (and you can take that either way, depending on your perspective)

I think trump's economy is doing fine. You can point to things good or bad, depending on your political persuasion.
 
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