Bac's thread was first, so maybe Tango should merge this one into it?There's another thread? Thought we were just lucky, lol.
Bac's thread was first, so maybe Tango should merge this one into it?There's another thread? Thought we were just lucky, lol.
Funny wishcasting map.
So.....then why is it posted here to talk about?too soon to post or talk amounts
So.....then why is it posted here to talk about?
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I had to Google who Jacob Frey was before I could even respond.Ok Jacob Frey. Listen to yourself."You're ruining it for everyone". Now you sound like Jan Brady.
You need to get out more if you don't know who JF is.I had to Google who Jacob Frey was before I could even respond.
Leave it to someone whose nose is permanently attached to Bac’s jock to bring f*cking politics into a weather thread.
Can't do that this far out, but can give a range - where do you live?I’m gunna need some exact snowfall amounts tonight. Thanks
That run was an outlier. The GFS moved the snow/sleet/ZR north quite a bit at 0Z and is now in line with the other models finally. That means you'll likely get snow then sleet then ZR and maybe a lot of it, which sucks. I'd suggest using the NBM until the NWS puts out some forecast maps probably on Thursday morning.

TV is wrong and well behind on the models. The 12Z GFS had nada for us, the 18Z GFS had several inches and the new 0Z has 8-12" for us, in line with the other models finally - see the slide show below. That's why that model sucks and why I've been ignoring it as per my earlier posts. Others who don't like snow tend to hand their hats on the least snowy model.Per tv 12:
European model projects significant snow for NJ.
American model projects minimal - if any - snow for NJ
We ll know much more by Thursday!

I'd be headed back to Boone, lol.Been tracking this storm for our Boone POA. Looks like a potential whopper for much of western NC. This is the first winter we decided to head off the mountain above Boone for January, spending the month in Raleigh. Even here, though, much snow potential. Going to spend February in New Bern, NC. Yikes....
I’m messing with you lol. But I’m in CNJ. HamiltonCan't do that this far out, but can give a range - where do you live?
The usual model post for 0Z. We finally have near consensus now on model snowfall - in fact the best model consensus I can ever recall 4.5 days out - as the non-snowy GFS and AIGFS at 0Z jumped way up to the ranges seen in the other models at 0Z, plus most of the other models bumped up by 1-3" relative to 12Z; the consensus is roughly on this being an 8-14" major snowstorm for CNJ at 10:1 ratios and a 12-21" snowstorm if we get the 15:1 ratios many of us expect given the cold temps in the column and the dynamics of the system in the dendritic growth zone where most of the snow crystals are produced. This is not as conservative an assumption as it was at 12Z, when the Kuchera ratios were 17-18:1, as they're more like 13-17:1 (wider variations being seen). Doesn't mean anyone is forecasting those amounts yet, but right now those amounts look at least fairly likely.Update from the 12Z models (they run 4x/day, but I think reporting on them 2x/day is fine, especially since the data inputs to the 6Z and 18Z runs are less robust than for 0Z and 12Z). Bottom line is confidence is increasing in at least a significant (4-8" at 10:1 ratio) snowfall for the Philly-NJ-NYC area and there is a growing potential for a major snowfall (8-14") or even more, given some of the models are showing increased snowfall, while others see decreases and also because we're now 12 hours closer and we're seeing pretty good model consistency. But we're still almost 5 days out from the start of the event (precip starting before sunrise on Sunday and the 12Z models initialized with 7 am EST data) and there are 2 models (GFS and AIGFS, which share data input/assimilation algorithms, which most consider inferior to the international models) showing very little snow for us, which has to give one pause, at least in forecasting actual snowfall amounts.
Model output for the general CNJ area (78 down to 276/195 in PA/NJ/NY and including NENJ/NYC along/near 95, which usually "behaves" like CNJ) is included below and keep in mind that snowfall looks to be a few inches more south of 276/195 and a few inches less N of 78 in PA/NJ; all of the models show precip starting around sunrise Sunday, but some end it before sunrise on Monday, while others are 2-parters and end it on Monday afternoon. Decided to include both 10:1 snow to liquid ratios and 15:1 ratios as a somewhat conservative upside, since the Kuchera ratios, are 17-18:1 on most of the models right now; also remember the snow mass is the same regardless of ratio as only the depth/density change. IMO, this is way easier than posting 12 maps, especially this far out.
Three other items I'll likely just keep repeating. First, temps will likely be below 20F from Friday evening through Tuesday morning, i.e., brutally cold with lows in the single digits and second there is likely going to be a crippling ice storm with 1" or more of ice accretion in a fairly wide swath from Texas to NC on Saturday into Sunday. And third, the long range models are still showing signs of additional winter storms from 1/28 through 2/2, but too early to talk about yet.
- The Euro shows 7-10" for CNJ at a 10:1 ratio and 10-15" at a 15:1 ratio for CNJ from Sunday am through Monday noon and the 0Z run was 10-12". Also note that the 2-part solution from last night is muted with most of the snow by Sunday night.
- The Euro AIFS shows 5-8" at a 10:1 ratio and 8-12" (15:1 ratio) for CNJ from Sunday morning thru early Monday and the 0Z run was 5-7."
- The GFS shows nada for CNJ with the 1" line as far south as Cape May; 0Z run was 3-5"; AIGFS shows the 1" line from Wilmington to LBI.
- The CMC shows 7-11" at a 10:1 ratio and 10-16" at a 15:1 ratio for CNJ from Sunday am through Monday noon and the 0Z run was 8-12"
- The UK shows 9-12" at a 10:1 ratio and 13-18" at a 15:1 ratio for CNJ from Sunday morning thru Monday am and the 0Z run was 9-11".
- The ICON shows 8-10" at a 10:1 ratio and 12-15" at a 15:1 ratio for CNJ from Sunday morning thru Monday am; the 0Z run was only 1-2".
- The NBM (model blend) shows 8-12" at 10:1 and 12-18" at 15:1 ratios for CNJ from Sunday am thru Monday pm; the 0Z run was 7-9".
Nope, happily I just don’t live in a world where literally everything gets viewed through political lenses and one party is always the boogeyman.You need to get out more if you don't know who JF is.
So.....then why is it posted here to talk about?
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The models mostly moved north with the low and the precip last night at 0Z, bringing warmer temps aloft for most and even at the surface near the coast near the end of the storm, but all of those models had 3/4 or so of the precip done by then without any mixing for the coast and only a little mixing at the end for 95 and NW of 95. But if things continue to trend that way (they did not at 6Z this morning) then yes we could see more sleet and maybe even some freezing rain and ice for the coast. That's why nobody is making any forecasts this far out.This seems to be ticking north mostly yesterday on the model runs. Any chance this ticks too far north and people in south/central Jersey end up getting freezing rain and very little snow?
Dan Zarrow was just saying the Euro model is showing something like this after its latest run
Neither really. It's more of an overrunning SW flow event with the storm moving from Baja to Texas to NC/VA bringing a lot of precip to us with very cold air in place, meaning snow. What's not clear is whether a coastal forms as it nears us and also with some phasing prior to it reaching us, how "amped" does it get with bringing a lot of moisture and some warmer air aloft after a bunch of snow has fallen.I’ve seen this movie before. I’ll wait to Friday to see what the model consensus is for Sun. Too early now. Is this suppose to be a big, wound up nor’easter up the coast or one of those Midwest storms with a secondary development along the east coast? Those set ups have a high bust factor.
Any flight on Sunday is in jeopardy right now - if you can move it, I'd do so.As always, thank you numbers. Flight on Sunday so this is helpful
Excellent discussion from the NWS-Philly and, for now, they're thinking is that the sleet line is unlikely to make it as far north as CNJ (away from the coast), as per the part in bold, but we're still 4 days out, so this can still change and we could see a lot more sleet or no sleet at all in CNJ and north of CNJ.The models mostly moved north with the low and the precip last night at 0Z, bringing warmer temps aloft for most and even at the surface near the coast near the end of the storm, but all of those models had 3/4 or so of the precip done by then without any mixing for the coast and only a little mixing at the end for 95 and NW of 95. But if things continue to trend that way (they did not at 6Z this morning) then yes we could see more sleet and maybe even some freezing rain and ice for the coast. That's why nobody is making any forecasts this far out.
Also, with greater phasing as seen last night on some runs, comes a more dynamic storm with more precip, so even if the last 1/4 is sleet, if the QPF goes from 0.8" to 1.2", one would still get more snow and then some sleet on top.


Here's the latest NBM (model blend), which the NWS typically relies heavily on in their forecasting, so starting to post this 3.5 days away seems reasonable to me and is a lot easier than summarizing every model, especially since almost all of those models (except the AI ones) are included in the NBM. It just keeps going up since yesterday. Their snowfall seems a bit higher than most models (at least at 10:1, so their "model ratio" looks to be 15:1 for the 95 corridor at least, comparing snow to QPF or liquid precip), which is unusual. And whether or not there's some sleet for the last 1/3 of the storm, this would still be a monster snowstorm for just about everyone.
This is still not a forecast, as we're still 3.5ish days out from the start of the event and we know a lot can still change, although at least a front end thump of 6"+ for the entire region on Sunday morning seems almost certain now.
The 12Z GFS is all snow for most (8-12" at 10:1 ratios) while the CMC is half snow then half sleet (~6" snow and then maybe 2" sleet given 1.2" of total liquid precip) for most with some rain for the NJ coast. That's why it's stil too early to make a forecast, IMO.
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Better yet, you can leave and go spend your time over in that one. PleaseAlready a thread on the weekend storm tracking thanks to TKR Weather King bac. Mods should temporarily close this long and winding general "winter weather" thread!
OT: Tracking Winter Storm Fern 1/25-26 - Page 2 - Forums
Well I was planning on doing just that, but now I'll hang around here too. You're welcome.Better yet, you can leave and go spend your time over in that one. Please
Well the low out in Mexico doesn't start forming until about 48 hours from now and the pieces of energy that drive our storm won't be ashore until tomorrow afternoon, so maybe tomorrow evening, about 54 hours before the start of the storm on Sunday morning? We won't see a NWS snow/precip forecast for the full storm until about Friday at 7 am (they do 72 hour forecasts for that), so maybe even not until then. The only thing most have high confidence in right now is getting a front end thump of snow Sunday morning for a likely 6" of snow; every model shows a front end thump, but divergence is significant after that.You say clearly this is not a forecast 3.5 days out. How far out would you safely be confident in a forecast? 48 hours?
In most of the models, the heaviest snow is over by 7 pm Sunday (maybe a bit of sleet by then, which is no better for driving), but roads (even major roads) may still be in bad shape, having gotten 8"+ of snow with temps in the 20s even in Freehold and Philly, so salt won't work as well, so the drive likely won't be easy. More importantly many, many flights will be delayed or cancelled for sure.My son and girlfriend are landing in Philly 8:30 pm Sunday. What am I looking at assuming his flight isn't delayed or diverted to another area? Leaving from the Freehold area to maybe pick them up.
0-28 inchesI’m gunna need some exact snowfall amounts tonight. Thanks
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