Minnesota - ICE Agent Shoots Woman Protester In Car - Happened Again - Both Justified
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stfu about reparations dude jesus
Maybe instead he can regale us with his knowledge of the US Tax code.....
I think he is still swearing he pays 50% in Income tax annually.
Straight white males aren't Hitler. I'm a straight white male. I'm not Hitler. You're not Hitler, either. You just love and follow the latest iteration of Hitler, who happens to be a used car salesman who literally hates you.
Way to show us you're a true American ... you're calling for another separation of the States again. Thought you guys would have learned your lesson the last time you got your asses kicked trying to do that.
In my opinion, and that's all it is, I think this ICE vs state and local government has gone way too far. Not that I'm Nostradamus, but I posted long ago that if the antagonism between federal and state officials didn't stop, someone was going to be killed. Well now it's happened and everyone is attempting to place blame. So that's human nature.
Isn't it past time that we stop this? It may have happened in my lifetime, but other than the civil rights movement in the 60s, I can't recall a time or an issue where states have actively worked to obstruct efforts of the federal government. I recognize that immigration enforcement is the responsibility of the federal government and states don't have to support the effort.
I think this situation could easily have been avoided. You might not agree, but from videos I've seen, Ms Good and her wife were involved in doing some effort to impede ICE. I don't know if it meets the point of obstruction so I won't use that word. But why was she there? We have laws regarding immigration and we created ICE, at least in part, to enforce those laws. I think you're right again, Ms Good does deserve some responsibility (but maybe not for her death). Why do we encourage our citizens to impede that enforcement. Why couldn't the mayor or governor ask citizens just obey the law, do not obstruct?
Now before you put me in your classification of "worshiping my Cheeto Hitler", I really don't think that officer should have fired his weapon and, I agree that two shots through the side window were totally unnecessary.
So know we've opened the box where shooting "obstructing" citizens has happened, the next shot from an ICE officer becomes easier, IMO.
So an element of our society doesn't like ICE agents actions. I don't either. But I also don't like the activists actions either, and I really don't like that our elected officials seem to think it's ok to protect those in the country being here illegally.
I read, and listen to comments or prosecuting attorneys. Some say the agents won't even be charged. I think it will be a bad decision if he is cleared and a bad decision if he is convicted. This is a no win situation for him and for the country. It's time for leaders from both parties to knock off the rhetoric
It never fails that when a truly unintelligent person tries to insult the intelligence of another, they can't even formulate the sentence without embarrassing themselves. Plural v. possessive. Learn it, like the rest of us did in elementary school.
When you can be reasonable enough to just look at a video where a woman is clearly trying to get away and avoid federal agents, and where said federal agent decided to blast her in the face as she was clearly leaving and already had her front end past him, so he had to shoot her from the side ... then we'll tone down the rhetoric.
Until then, you nazis are going to nazi, and we're going to call you on it.
Will the chuds on this board listen to an actual subject matter expert about the myriad ways the ICE nazis mishandled this situation? I doubt it.
Billy badass right there. Behind a flak jacket. And his boys. And a mask. With a gun.
You MAGA supporters should be proud.
Which I’d agree with in the alternate universe in which you live. But here on Earth, didn’t happen.
Well said.
I just figured out why the Minnesota ICE death is bothering me so much.
This liberal woman was willing to take on federal agents, to disrupt ICE operations, in order to protect criminal Somalis.
Obviously, she probably didn't imagine she would be killed. But surely, she must have known that, at the very least, she could be arrested.
She has three kids. So she was willing to be separated from her kids to protect criminal Somalis.
Speaking as a mother, this is insanity. This is not rational thinking.
What it is, instead, is the result of liberal brainrot that convinces progressive women they have more of a duty to nurture and protect poor, brown (criminal!) strangers than their own country, and hell, even their own children.
I am praying for this woman's soul and for her family. But I mean it when I say this type of thinking is almost wholly responsible for the decline of Western civilization.
I just figured out why the Minnesota ICE death is bothering me so much.
This liberal woman was willing to take on federal agents, to disrupt ICE operations, in order to protect criminal Somalis.
Obviously, she probably didn't imagine she would be killed. But surely, she must have known that, at the very least, she could be arrested.
She has three kids. So she was willing to be separated from her kids to protect criminal Somalis.
Speaking as a mother, this is insanity. This is not rational thinking.
What it is, instead, is the result of liberal brainrot that convinces progressive women they have more of a duty to nurture and protect poor, brown (criminal!) strangers than their own country, and hell, even their own children.
I am praying for this woman's soul and for her family. But I mean it when I say this type of thinking is almost wholly responsible for the decline of Western civilization.
Another bald-faced maga liar. If there are any illegal Somalis, the number is miniscule. We know for a fact that at least 95% of them are US citizens or legal permanent residents.
How many more lies will you bomb the board with tonight?
These are ambush tactics.
We trained for a long time on how to react to the Taliban attempting this exact same tactic against Americans convoys.
This is also exactly what Renee Good was attempting to do when officers tried to arrest her.
Democrats must explicitly and repeatedly implore their voters to stop doing this.
Given the three recent actual ambushes/shootings against ICE, these tactics create an extremely dangerous situation for agents.
Anyone who does this must be arrested and held accountable to establish deterrence.
This is not protected speech, it’s a crime.
Quit siding with anti American subversives dpic. Come back to the red white and blue. We have a seat on the train for you.The Taliban! Holy **** you dimwit, GTFOH!
More like the black and blue the way you people treat policemen and citizens who work at Target or citizens moving their cars out of the way.
Dpic it feels good on the Trump Train. Winning is fun. Your seat is reserved.
I know you need to fill a lot of empty seats on that train but I'm not feelin y'all like that.
I would like to think so, but if you're talking about a court trying a criminal case against the shooter (apparently, his last name is Ross), I really wonder. The feds are trying to assert exclusive jurisdiction over the investigation of this incident, but I'm not sure they can legally do so, Supremacy Clause or not. The shooting at least arguably violated Minnesota criminal law, and I don't think the feds can strip away a state's right to prosecute violations of that state's own laws occurring within the borders of that state. If the state can charge and prosecute, it seems obvious that they should be able to investigate as well.
I suppose the other context in which the accuracy of Vance's statements might be tested is a civil lawsuit by Ms. Good's executor against the shooter, ICE, and the DHS. A preponderance of the evidence standard would apply there, so the judgment, if any, would be not quite as conclusive as a judgment entered in a criminal proceeding, where a beyond a reasonable doubt standard of proof applies.
James Woods is a right wing nut job. Vince Langman (whoever he is) is as well. The SUV in that video is black. Ms. Good's SUV was maroon or rust, or some combination thereof. It certainly was not black. Moreover, the video that Langman promoted as the real deal does not even show the guy who was hit by that black SUV opening fire. ??!! They should at least TRY to come up with a video that is not so clearly a fake.
thing is, we have a process for dealing with this.
I know it's not a favored comment, but like in so many instances, the whole thing could have been avoided is she just obeyed the officer's command to get out of the car.
Stepping away a bit from this particular incident, I do wonder whether we need to rethink a bit what the concept of “peaceful protest” means. I don’t think it is simply the absence of assault, which seems to be a growing mindset. Doxxing, stalking, harassment, and the like start to bump up against the line between speech and conduct, and just on the conduct side of that line lies something we used to call obstruction. And when you add in the simple dickishness of it that often is there, it’s a recipe for bad outcomes. Is “peaceful” reconcilable with “confrontational”? Perhaps sometimes, but not so sure about that as a general proposition.
not really sure how we do it, but I do think, unfortunately, its worth thought.
not really sure how we do it, but I do think, unfortunately, its worth thought.
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Did she go there with the intention of disrupting a law enforcement investigation? I’m seeing reports that her and her wife got there at least an hour before this happened and were preparing to “film the interactions” of them harassing ICE and they’ve reported that the women were there specifically to disrupt deportation orders being delivered. So this isn’t someone backing out of there driveway, minding their business. This person went there looking for a confrontation and a fight.