Where does this portal insanity end?

[24Babybull]

Saw this player is leaving Miami for Indiana - what is the deal with these guys on Playoff teams still in it? Do they stay with their team still playing or are they off the team immediately?
Horrible Portal schedule by the NCAA...

Miami transfer tight end Brock Schott is headed to Indiana football

Brock Schott is headed home to play for Indiana. The Miami (Fla.) transfer tight end announced Monday he’s transferring to the Hoosiers after one season in southern Florida. As a freshman in …

www.thedailyhoosier.com

 

[NickRU714]

Two completely different things with young men who are 18-22 years old and an adult on a career path. Plus coaches contracts have buyouts that coaches or their new employer must pay if they leave early. Players can leave with no penalty. And see what the NIU coach said. We know you like to turn this around on the coaches, but this is different.

How so?
Frost lamented that schools with the richest boosters could buy their way to winning.
Are the "richest boosters" only paying for players? Of course not.

Oh, he only meant players?
It's fine that the schools with the richest boosters could just buy coaches?
Got it.

You're right, coaches have contracts.
Which, arguably, makes it even more egregious when the "schools with the richest boosters" just buy coaches from poorer schools.
Like Frost.

It's hard to take his moral, purity of college athletics argument seriously.

 

[Knight Shift]

How so?
Frost lamented that schools with the richest boosters could buy their way to winning.
Are the "richest boosters" only paying for players? Of course not.

Oh, he only meant players?
It's fine that the schools with the richest boosters could just buy coaches?
Got it.

You're right, coaches have contracts.
Which, arguably, makes it even more egregious when the "schools with the richest boosters" just buy coaches from poorer schools.
Like Frost.

It's hard to take his moral, purity of college athletics argument seriously.

Was he talking about moral purity or just the difference between young people with an entire working life ahead of them and adults with a mortgage, child care, etc. in the middle of their career trajectory. We can agree to disagree here. I see a difference. The career span of a college football coach can be 35-40 years or longer. A college football player? 4-5 years.

 

[Section124]

I just saw the Washington QB entered the portal after signing a contract with UW to stay a week ago. NCAA better step in and enforce it. Otherwise all hell breaks out. That being said, why would they even want him back after doing something like that.

 

[MrsScrew]

This is going to get crazy ...

 

[rutgersguy2]

This is going to get crazy ...

Posted that in the portal activity thread and in recent years there have been 2 other similar deals with players moving between Miami/Wisconsin and Mizzou/UGA but not sure what's happening with them. I'm guessing they might still be in the courts.

I don't know if they can hold him if he really wants to go but it might just boil down to damages and how much would be owed to leave. UW was paying up to 5M, LSU supposedly 6M so if those damages were to be more than 1M then it wouldn't be worth it but we'll see. He might leave and then the resolution will come after the fact.

 

[RU05]

It's not the unsightlyness of all this that turns me off.

It's the fact that I have no idea who these guys are on a year to year basis. By the time I figure it out the season is over and they are gone.

Doesn't help when the team isn't good and I'm not fully locked in to learn who is who.

Have to figure out a way to lock these players onto these teams for longer then a year.

 

[rutgersguy2]

Posted that in the portal activity thread and in recent years there have been 2 other similar deals with players moving between Miami/Wisconsin and Mizzou/UGA but not sure what's happening with them. I'm guessing they might still be in the courts.

I don't know if they can hold him if he really wants to go but it might just boil down to damages and how much would be owed to leave. UW was paying up to 5M, LSU supposedly 6M so if those damages were to be more than 1M then it wouldn't be worth it but we'll see. He might leave and then the resolution will come after the fact.

 

[Anteid]

I believe a lot of this NIL has taken the turn it has because a lot of these kids have families that need help financially, we all know the cost of living is extremely high and these kids will make decisions that are best for them and that very important issue. No wants to be in debt after getting a degree in this economy we live in right now and so I get it but there should be contract control just like they do these coaches.

 

[Anteid]

This is how it should be. No way schools are playing by the rules if EVERYONE at P4 schools are academically eligible if nothing else based on the demands of being a student. You hear these players talk about training/preparing from 5:30 AM - 6:00 PM. When the hell are they taking classes? Bet it’s now gone from online classes in dorm rooms to a library of online recordings of classes.

There classes are scheduled in that time frame, from 5:30 is training and meetings and then go to class or study them back for more training and so it’s a full day all week long .

 

[rutgersguy2]

I believe a lot of UW football players were in attendance.

 

[MrsScrew]

I believe a lot of this NIL has taken the turn it has because a lot of these kids have families that need help financially, we all know the cost of living is extremely high and these kids will make decisions that are best for them and that very important issue. No wants to be in debt after getting a degree in this economy we live in right now and so I get it but there should be contract control just like they do these coaches.

these kids are on scholarship, with stipends and free meals. they won't be in debt after getting a degree.

But now they get :
scholarship
stipend
free meals
NIL
credits that aren't transferable when they go to the next school and the one after that or the one after that
maybe drafted to the NFL
possibly ending up in the CFL where the salaries range from $55k for a rookie to $450k for a great QB
more likely without a job and now without a degree and whatever money they may have left over after their agent's 20% cut, helping their families out and whatever else they spent on watches and cars and everything else.

 

[RU05]

I believe a lot of this NIL has taken the turn it has because a lot of these kids have families that need help financially, we all know the cost of living is extremely high and these kids will make decisions that are best for them and that very important issue. No wants to be in debt after getting a degree in this economy we live in right now and so I get it but there should be contract control just like they do these coaches.

I'm all for the players getting a piece of the multi billion dollar pie.

And a lot the issues are just that we are in the early stages of this, but eventually I think they will see the value and importance of players staying with a particular school.

 

[chrisru99]

Lots of comments from people who have never been in most of these kids positions prior to these kids arrivals at college or university. Your kid can get all the things a college athlete on scholarship plus $250G more to jump ship to the highest bidder and what is your advice? Like someone said look at the coaches they do the same thing every year.

 

[rutgersguy2]

Was he talking about moral purity or just the difference between young people with an entire working life ahead of them and adults with a mortgage, child care, etc. in the middle of their career trajectory. We can agree to disagree here. I see a difference. The career span of a college football coach can be 35-40 years or longer. A college football player? 4-5 years.

Smaller window to maximize chance at earning some "substantive money" and/or get more playing time.

The only thing I'd enforce is that there should be substantive damages for breaking a signed contract. Just like the buyouts some coaches have to pay for leaving if it's written into the contract. I'm guessing most, if not all, these player deals have similar clauses. You shouldn't be able to walk away without damages if its explicitly been agreed to in the contract.

IMO somewhere down the line it's heading towards employment and CBA, which is where it should be now but for whatever reason there's resistance to that classification.

 

[Knight Shift]

Smaller window to maximize chance at earning some "substantive money" and/or get more playing time.

The only thing I'd enforce is that there should be substantive damages for breaking a signed contract. Just like the buyouts some coaches have to pay for leaving if it's written into the contract. I'm guessing most, if not all, these player deals have similar clauses. You shouldn't be able to walk away without damages if its explicitly been agreed to in the contract.

IMO somewhere down the line it's heading towards employment and CBA, which is where it should be now but for whatever reason there's resistance to that classification.

CBA- collective bargaining agreement?
One problem in this situation when things go to litigation is the player may need to pay the cost of not only his/her agent, but now an attorney. For LSU, would guess they would cover not only their own attorney costs but the player's attorney costs too. But this can raise a host of conflict of interest issues. One attorney generally cannot represent two parties when their interests diverge in a litigation, and that is certainly a possibility in these types of situations. Someone should add Lane Kiffin to the suit for being a generally creepy slime bucket.

 

[LotusAggressor_rivals]

I just saw the Washington QB entered the portal after signing a contract with UW to stay a week ago. NCAA better step in and enforce it. Otherwise all hell breaks out. That being said, why would they even want him back after doing something like that.

Get your popcorn ready for this one. If they gave him any money up front, they might want that back. Otherwise, I agree with you. Why would they want him on the team?

 

[LotusAggressor_rivals]

And this is why you continue to bring in QBs when you have an established starter. You never know what's going to happen.

 

[rutgersguy2]

CBA- collective bargaining agreement?
One problem in this situation when things go to litigation is the player may need to pay the cost of not only his/her agent, but now an attorney. For LSU, would guess they would cover not only their own attorney costs but the player's attorney costs too. But this can raise a host of conflict of interest issues. One attorney generally cannot represent two parties when their interests diverge in a litigation, and that is certainly a possibility in these types of situations. Someone should add Lane Kiffin to the suit for being a generally creepy slime bucket.

Yea collective bargaining, to me that’s the only way to get some structure. I don’t mind the new CFB landscape but it needs a little structure and without a CBA there’s always threat of litigation too.

Sooner or later I think it’ll happen.

 

[Knight Shift]

Yea collective bargaining, to me that’s the only way to get some structure. I don’t mind the new CFB landscape but it needs a little structure and without a CBA there’s always threat of litigation too.

Sooner or later I think it’ll happen.

Will say for myself, I am losing interest in college sports.

 

[Knight Shift]

This Dylan guy with multiple posts in a thread under the X post is a real turd.

 

[tru2ru1]

This Dylan guy with multiple posts in a thread under the X post is a real turd.

Williams signed a contract that states the buyout amount is at the sole discretion of Washington....good luck paying that buyout!!!

 

[MrsScrew]

Seems like there was a no portal entry clause in the contract he signed.....

 

[rutgersguy2]

 

[rutgersguy2]

 

[rutgersguy2]

 

[Knight Shift]

 

[Retired711]

The route to collective bargaining is a hard one. The National Labor Relations Board can rule that college athletes are entitled to organize into unions -- but the NLRB only has jurisdiction over private employers. Each state controls labor law for employees of public employers. NJ, for instance, would have to authorize athletes at Rutgers to organize. Every other state with a major university would have to do the same thing. That's going to be really tough.

The other possibility is that Congress takes action to regulate NIL and transfers and the like. But that's going to require bipartisan agreement in Congress, and don't hold your breath waiting for that. At least for the moment, college sports are continuing to be a money-making machine -- don't expect anything to change until that ends.

 

[LETSGORU91]

Will say for myself, I am losing interest in college sports.

This reminds me of many, many years ago when MLB players were bickering over making x mil vs y mil to hit and throw a baseball. Soured me then and this type of crap is souring me now. I hate to say it, but I hope William's somehow gets fvucked and made an example of if all this is primarily about a money grab.

 

[RUforester72]

The stink just gets worse.

 

[rutgersguy2]

Wonder if at least for now the easier route might be to penalize schools for signing players who are already signed. Potentially, quicker resolution getting something like that passed.

 

[MrsScrew]

Saw this player is leaving Miami for Indiana - what is the deal with these guys on Playoff teams still in it? Do they stay with their team still playing or are they off the team immediately?
Horrible Portal schedule by the NCAA...

Miami transfer tight end Brock Schott is headed to Indiana football

Brock Schott is headed home to play for Indiana. The Miami (Fla.) transfer tight end announced Monday he’s transferring to the Hoosiers after one season in southern Florida. As a freshman in …

www.thedailyhoosier.com

off the team immediately. Just nuts. 2 games away from a natty and they give it all up.

 

[rutgersguy2]

From the article:

It’s also a byproduct of a glaring weakness in the college sports model, of course.

Signed athlete compensation contracts in this industry are difficult to enforce. An employment agreement that comes without employee status has an inherent weakness. The school understandably says it will pursue legal remedies, with the Big Ten actively in support of the Huskies in this matter—not to mention the hopes of other colleges around the country looking at potential precedent being set.

But good luck undoing what’s been done.

The Big Ten also was supportive of Wisconsin last year when it tried to legally enforce a contract signed by defensive back Xavier Lucas. The case alleging tampering has gone to court and is proceeding, but Lucas still wound up at Miami and played all season. He will be a key part of the Hurricanes’ attempts to defeat Ole Miss on Thursday night.

Penalties could be assessed to LSU coaches or staff members if NCAA enforcement concludes that tampering occurred and the committee on infractions makes a ruling to that effect. While rules enforcement regarding tampering has been largely overrun by sheer pervasiveness and campus indifference, there have been recent cases that produced significant penalties. In a ruling from last June, the Oklahoma State head women’s tennis coach was suspended for 50% of the season and given a four-year show-cause order, among other sanctions.

Infractions cases are not adjudicated overnight, though. If this becomes pursued as a full-blown case, there’s no telling how long it would take to complete.

 

[Rutgers Chris]

Wonder if at least for now the easier route might be to penalize schools for signing players who are already signed. Potentially, quicker resolution getting something like that passed.

Looks like there is momentum for a spring transfer portal window, something coaches were against until now. Close this mid-season window and this goes away

 

[rutgersguy2]

Looks like there is momentum for a spring transfer portal window, something coaches were against until now. Close this mid-season window and this goes away

I’ve posted a tweet about the changes in the schedule and a lot of them were whole heartedly supported/encouraged by coaches.

Dec early signing because they didn’t want to have to “babysit” players all the way to Feb. No spring portal because they didn’t want players to leave after they may find out where their place on the depth chart may lie..other changes are similar.

 

[rutgersguy2]

 

[MrsScrew]

Local news tearing Williams apart

 

[NickRU714]

I’ve posted a tweet about the changes in the schedule and a lot of them were whole heartedly supported/encouraged by coaches.

Dec early signing because they didn’t want to have to “babysit” players all the way to Feb. No spring portal because they didn’t want players to leave after they may find out where their place on the depth chart may lie..other changes are similar.

Keep Dec signing for HS recruits.

1 transfer window starting in mid-February.
Let's teams settle their coaching staffs after the CFB/NFL season (except us of course) and evaluate current roster.

Spring Practices start in April.

Transfers are "stuck" at their current school and miss Spring Practice? - eh too bad. It's still "supposed" to be school so finish out the year.

They still have access to facility and academic support.

 

[NickRU714]

Having transfers not enroll until the Summer may also slow down movement.

Do we really go after the new QB if he's missing Spring practice?
If he doesn't show up until training camp?

 

[rutgersguy2]

Keep Dec signing for HS recruits.

1 transfer window starting in mid-February.
Let's teams settle their coaching staffs after the CFB/NFL season (except us of course) and evaluate current roster.

Spring Practices start in April.

Transfers are "stuck" at their current school and miss Spring Practice? - eh too bad. It's still "supposed" to be school so finish out the year.

They still have access to facility and academic support.

Coaches wanted to know the makeup of their team by spring practice too so it’s not just a player thing.

Talk of just 1 signing period in Feb for HS. Not sure about changes to the portal.