This was the biggest selling point to us...Scott Walker was by far the biggest selling point. And for 5 years- he was always the first person to greet our family at games, bowls, dinners, etc. And he always made himself available for a call.
Where does this portal insanity end?
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Are you taking the position Rutgers should not go after players in the portal? That would be ludicrous. The portal giveth and taketh away. That's life.
Not following your logic, maybe I'm misreading, but sound like this Dilbert strip:
Of course not.
My position is exactly what you said: Portal giveth and Portal taketh
Rutgers had been basically nothing but giveth so far. Despite the consternations of many.
This is basically the first time the portal has truly taketh a promising player that Rutgers developed or was developing in either football or basketball.
Its actually been the opposite mostly.
Fans run to the portal and figure out ways to upgrade the teams and give up on the potential developing recruits Schiano and Pike are picking.
But in many cases, it becomes apparent some players need to be let go and upgrades are needed. The nature of the game has changed. Adapt or die.
Agreed.
Fans (off all teams) cheer when their players need to be let go and upgrades are needed.
But then lament "woe is us. The entire system is terrible" when other teams need to let players go and upgrades are needed.
I've said it before.
The perfect system:
1. Badd players from our team are allowed to transfer out to make room for upgrades.
2. Good players from other teams are allowed to transfer to improve our team.
Wait until there are multi year contracts and coaches aren't able to "let players go" and bring in upgrades?
Fans are going to lose it.
Imagine another 2 years of Wimsatt instead of AK??
And coaches will hate multi year contracts even more.
"Wait, I can't just gloss over my recruiting failures and bring in immediate upgrades? I'm stuck with my bad recruits?"
On 2nd thought - if Pike was saddled with only his own recruits for 3 or 4 years, it might just force him to retire early.
"Wait, I can't just gloss over my recruiting failures and bring in immediate upgrades? I'm stuck with my bad recruits?
"On 2nd thought - if Pike was saddled with only his own recruits for 3 or 4 years, it might just force him to retire early.
I just take it as the ebb and flow of a system that needs some guardrails. Can't say I am optimistic it will get fixed.Agreed.
Fans (off all teams) cheer when their players need to be let go and upgrades are needed.
But then lament "woe is us. The entire system is terrible" when other teams need to let players go and upgrades are needed.
I've said it before.
The perfect system:
1. Badd players from our team are allowed to transfer out to make room for upgrades.
2. Good players from other teams are allowed to transfer to improve our team.
Wait until there are multi year contracts and coaches aren't able to "let players go" and bring in upgrades?
Fans are going to lose it.
Imagine another 2 years of Wimsatt instead of AK??
If that is the case, coaches should get 1 year contracts, renewable each year.And coaches will hate multi year contracts even more.
"Wait, I can't just gloss over my recruiting failures and bring in immediate upgrades? I'm stuck with my bad recruits?
On 2nd thought - if Pike was saddled with only his own recruits for 3 or 4 years, it might just force him to retire early.
They’re not student athletes any more. They’re professional athletes with optional classes thrown in as a novelty and to meet girls
They don’t even get to do that. Half of them are in the Rodkin doing online classes
Losing Paul and Cam Spencer to the portal was the catalyst that sent RU basketball spiraling. What are you talking about in not losing anyone to it?
And in many of those cases Nick is referring to, the players would’ve left anyway even with the sit out year. Nobody wants to ride a bench. That issue tends to work itself out.
I don’t think athletes even leave their dorms when it comes to classes. I’m wondering how much recorded online classes are being used. Imagine going off to college to then just watch recorded sessions of all your classes on your phone whenever you feel like it.
My interpretation of what he is saying is that most fans are hypocritical when it comes to the Portal/Transfers. They love it when less than useful players are replaced by incoming "shiny new toys"......but when existing useful players transfer out, many of the same people tend to lament the entire system to the point of wanting to quit their fandom.
Yes but he also said Rutgers hasn’t really lost anyone significant to the portal other than Cliff and that’s not true. Losing Toure last year was huge too.
I didn't say "losing anyone to it".
I said it's been a net neutral and likely mild net positive for Rutgers.
The portal both gives and takes.
With nearly only gives to Rutgers up until Strong.
Cam Spencer was a transfer in who then transfered out.
He came in as a mercenary and left as one.
It wasnt come 2-3 year "Rutgers man" that was recruited and developed.
He's the worst example of "Transfer Portal is horrible and needs to end."
He literally wouldn't have been here if not for the transfer rules and being poached by Rutgers first.
Paul was a 5th year graduate transfer. Had nothing to do with the transfer portal setup.
Again, not some up and coming developed player that left.
Nearly everyone was ready to drive Paul to the airport after the Minnesota game.
Pike even brought in a (allegedly) high level PG transfer in Fernandes before Paul even left.
Sure, after the fact it appears his loss was more impactful that initially expected.
But thats because of how horrible Pike was at bringing in dpplayers.
By comparison, Northwestern is losing a star freshman CB.
Rutgers is now losing a star junior WR.
If Dylan Grant somehow turns into a star during conference play and leaves for the SEC?
Or Lino Mark transfers to Illinois?
Those would be examples of "Portal sucks, we can't retain our young promosing players".
I would say this where we are today in college sports society-hilarious.
What’s next. Mascots being eligible?
While your point is well taken, that fault of what you are saying is that GW was not allowed to leave to make room for AK...it wasn't a trade. And if GW stayed, I would hope that Greg still would have brought AK in when he hired Kirk.Agreed.
Fans (off all teams) cheer when their players need to be let go and upgrades are needed.
But then lament "woe is us. The entire system is terrible" when other teams need to let players go and upgrades are needed.
I've said it before.
The perfect system:
1. Badd players from our team are allowed to transfer out to make room for upgrades.
2. Good players from other teams are allowed to transfer to improve our team.
Wait until there are multi year contracts and coaches aren't able to "let players go" and bring in upgrades?
Fans are going to lose it.
Imagine another 2 years of Wimsatt instead of AK??
As for Greg and Gavin, I do think Greg was planning to live or die with him for that one year no matter what...but, I do not believe he would have had the same mindset in the following years.
As of this year- the good thing is that the one top level player we have lost, we had thought he was going to the NFL anyway. And thus far- our two biggest "must keeps" have been kept and two of our must keeps on the OL are back too.
The bad news- I haven't seen any starters brought in. And with watching a bunch of non-starters leave, we should be filling those spots with either P4 starting type players who may be currently blocked at their school or the very top of the top players the next level down. We just have not seen that yet.
What I am worried about- we just had a magical QB year for Rutgers. And if Surace is the confident heir apparent, why didn't Greg give him the chance with a full playbook at any time last year? So- he is a complete unknown that really has never been asked to carry a team at a high level P4 speed. Nothing against him, but with very little other Portal movement- would not have bothered me if they did a major purchase to bring a proven starting QB in here.
I remember the days when coaches would escort players to class and then stand outside to make sure they stayed the entire time. I can't imagine most just take online classes from Rodkin or their dorms.
The reason why is simple. You don’t do that anymore unless your one of these oil schools with unlimited funds (which we aren’t). We did not want to make Surace more marketable and have to pay him more. There was zero incentive for Greg to play him. Only downside really.
Truth bombs galore here. . . .
Fair counterpoint:
Frost said something similar, and this was posted in another thread:
Fair counterpoint:
Frost said something similar, and this was posted in another thread:
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Rutgers and every other school now offer:
1. classes in person (in a classroom- specific time/date and class schedule)
2. Synchronous Classes (Remote courses via Zoom- these are a specific data/time that the students log in on zoom to attend the class).
3. Asynchronous classes (no class schedule or meeting time). All work is done remotely. Usually the professor posts video, or readings online and the students get a due dates to upload the assignments.
This is not for athletes only. All students can take these type of classes. And this is done at schools across the country.
1. classes in person (in a classroom- specific time/date and class schedule)
2. Synchronous Classes (Remote courses via Zoom- these are a specific data/time that the students log in on zoom to attend the class).
3. Asynchronous classes (no class schedule or meeting time). All work is done remotely. Usually the professor posts video, or readings online and the students get a due dates to upload the assignments.
This is not for athletes only. All students can take these type of classes. And this is done at schools across the country.
The problem with the portal is that so many kids now have agents and family depending on them for money.
the agent makes promises because $10 is more than $0.
And to the family of some of these kids, $50k sounds like it will change their life.
we had 3 players leave that will get a fairly significant check, Strong, Masco, Henderson.
mans we see these numbers out there for certain positions.
The agents are making it sound to these kids, that this is what they are going to get. But it is no different than any other professional sport- you have the top tier and the next tier throwing off the numbers. Most of these kids are not getting 6+ figures every year.
curious, are the BIL agents regulated like the pro agents are. Are they limited to 3% max but usually 2% or is that the Wild West as well? I don’t know
the agent makes promises because $10 is more than $0.
And to the family of some of these kids, $50k sounds like it will change their life.
we had 3 players leave that will get a fairly significant check, Strong, Masco, Henderson.
mans we see these numbers out there for certain positions.
The agents are making it sound to these kids, that this is what they are going to get. But it is no different than any other professional sport- you have the top tier and the next tier throwing off the numbers. Most of these kids are not getting 6+ figures every year.
curious, are the BIL agents regulated like the pro agents are. Are they limited to 3% max but usually 2% or is that the Wild West as well? I don’t know
I mentioned this in one of the threads. There is no certification for player agents at the moment. It could be a legitimate agent per se, a friend, family member or what have you.
Happened with PSU and Pribula last year.
This is a calendar issue more than anything but hard to adjust that much with semester calendar and coaches wanting their team composition known by spring practice. Moving the season up to weak 0 and shortening the layoffs between playoff rounds could help. You could end the season a week after new years and that might help a bit.
This is a calendar issue more than anything but hard to adjust that much with semester calendar and coaches wanting their team composition known by spring practice. Moving the season up to weak 0 and shortening the layoffs between playoff rounds could help. You could end the season a week after new years and that might help a bit.
Richie said on podcast this morning, some of these agents (not regulated) are getting 20%.
What a different world. And I don't mean that in a good way.
And this from a guy who might have set a record for class-cutting. Of course it was the Sixties.
I can't wait for the remake of the Dangerfield movie Back To School.
Yes I’ve read numbers similar to that in articles and heard same on pods.
Is that the same Scott Frost who went undefeated at UCF then immediately left for Nebraska because their "rich boosters" more than doubled his salary?
I'm sure he's very heartbroken over "rich boosters" influencing college athletics.
Two completely different things with young men who are 18-22 years old and an adult on a career path. Plus coaches contracts have buyouts that coaches or their new employer must pay if they leave early. Players can leave with no penalty. And see what the NIU coach said. We know you like to turn this around on the coaches, but this is different.
Agents for the NFL & NBA must be certified & they charge 4% or 5% depending on which league the player is in. College agents have no rules nor any certification process, anyone or everyone can declare themselves to be agents & the going rate for college agents is 20%
So, I’ll step back and try to imagine 2009 being 2026. Starting RT on a P4 with an NFL grade. Been with his team for 4 years and also about to get a great degree as well as his shot at the NFl no matter where he plays his last year.
Current school offers $300k to stay but another school offers $500k.
That is a huge money difference. But- you are changing everything including your education. And no real promise that you actually start…
there is almost zero chance the family I know, would do it…And it also sucks that this is now part of the equation
There are still good kids out there that want their degree from their school, but a family of lessor means, that extra 200k may look worth giving that up.
This is a self-imposed calendar issue by poor/selfish decisions. Calendar has to change and implement transfer limits. Portal shouldn't open until the day after the season ends. Season should end the 1st Mon in Jan which allows for 2 weeks of coaching changes and transfer portal madness before classes start on the Tues after MLK Jr Day.
14 weeks to play the regular season starting Labor Day weekend and ending Thanksgiving weekend, which still includes 2 byes. Conference championships the weekend after Thanksgiving. Playoffs start the following week and end 4 weeks later.