UPDATED (8:17am EST 1/12/26): MSU impact OL transfer portal tracker

beachbumdawg

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I'm not donating anything until we at least look like we're trying to be serious about running a P2 college football program and not a clown show.
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ckDOG

All-American
Dec 11, 2007
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^^^THIS^^^
I think that only the individuals contributing to NIL should be able to b!tch about how much money MSU is spending on NIL or how that money is being spent.

I got questions, lots of questions, on these subjects.
What if we don't believe in tipping professional athletes? This is a weird culture being built out. I don't feel the need to tip Ja Morant when I go to a Grizz game but I do wish him success in getting paid obscene amounts of money by his employer and advertisers. Keep compensation in the business model world and don't ask regular fans to subsidize anything directly.

Now, if you're the guy that gets some sort of personal joy out of it, I don't see why you shouldn't pay a stranger to play sports above and beyond what they get through their employer. If it makes a better sports product for me, I'm good with that. I just think it's weird to ask the masses to participate in that model.
 

85Bears

All-Conference
Aug 31, 2019
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It's hilarious to me that so many in our fanbase are bought into the idea that all our current players (this year and last year) were just not good enough. And we should just cut them all and go out and find new players. Couple of things:

- How the hell do we know that there are better players out there (the ones that are, we can't afford, and already know where they are going);
- At what point do you start saying that Lenny is the problem because he can't get anything out of what he has?

We have like 10 OL and DL in the portal now. They will all be a year older next year. Seems to me the smart money would be on paying them smaller amounts to stay, and develop them, rather than this yearly portal rat race. And if Lenny isn't the guy to do that, we've got the wrong coach.

You can't just keep saying that your 1st and 2nd year players suck and discard them yearly. That's incredibly inefficient. Not to mention that you're the one who thought, at one time, they were worthy to recruit.
its very difficult to get five new O lineman every year and have them play As one unit, in synchronicity with mediocre O line coaching. Iowa has stacked classes they develop and by the time they are juniors they start and are monsters. They use the portal for maybe one piece if needed or for depth.

i Don’t think this approach will work, O line will continue to be a mess
 
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The Peeper

Heisman
Feb 26, 2008
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^^^THIS^^^
I think that only the individuals contributing to NIL should be able to b!tch about how much money MSU is spending on NIL or how that money is being spent.

I got questions, lots of questions, on these subjects.

Sooo, a fan that spends money on tickets, seat fees, parking, hotel, meals, gas, etc needs to keep their mouth shut about the terrible product on the field the last two years?
 

The Peeper

Heisman
Feb 26, 2008
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This. If you are a promising 19-20 yr old lineman and you hear this guy talk, are you excited?

All you have to do is take a short peak at the W-L record the last two seasons, a lot easier to do that than to be a 17-18 year old HS kid and try and go do your school research on a free website full of messages from know it alls like us
 

Willow Grove Dawg

All-Conference
Nov 3, 2016
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Sooo, a fan that spends money on tickets, seat fees, parking, hotel, meals, gas, etc needs to keep their mouth shut about the terrible product on the field the last two years?
You are correct. I should have added those items since a significant portion of NIL $ is coming out of the general athletic revenue.
 

paindonthurt

All-Conference
Apr 7, 2025
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3,064
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What if we don't believe in tipping professional athletes? This is a weird culture being built out. I don't feel the need to tip Ja Morant when I go to a Grizz game but I do wish him success in getting paid obscene amounts of money by his employer and advertisers. Keep compensation in the business model world and don't ask regular fans to subsidize anything directly.

Now, if you're the guy that gets some sort of personal joy out of it, I don't see why you shouldn't pay a stranger to play sports above and beyond what they get through their employer. If it makes a better sports product for me, I'm good with that. I just think it's weird to ask the masses to participate in that model.
But you sure felt that they needed to be paid.
 

Trojanbulldog19

All-American
Aug 25, 2014
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It's hilarious to me that so many in our fanbase are bought into the idea that all our current players (this year and last year) were just not good enough. And we should just cut them all and go out and find new players. Couple of things:

- How the hell do we know that there are better players out there (the ones that are, we can't afford, and already know where they are going);
- At what point do you start saying that Lenny is the problem because he can't get anything out of what he has?

We have like 10 OL and DL in the portal now. They will all be a year older next year. Seems to me the smart money would be on paying them smaller amounts to stay, and develop them, rather than this yearly portal rat race. And if Lenny isn't the guy to do that, we've got the wrong coach.

You can't just keep saying that your 1st and 2nd year players suck and discard them yearly. That's incredibly inefficient. Not to mention that you're the one who thought, at one time, they were worthy to recruit.
I think the ol coach not getting canned is a clue. Technically the defensive staff not being fired last year was a clue. Or just the staff to start with. We increase our talent because we could be Toledo but we should have beat them with the talent we had, this year the excuse is the line talent was not good enough. Maybe true but doesn't look like it's being fixed
 
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HailStout

Heisman
Jan 4, 2020
5,606
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I’m beginning to believe that even if we had blue blood money it wouldn’t fix much. I’m sure we would have more wins, but this coaching staff hasn’t shown me anything that makes me believe they would take a monstrous step forward even with more talent
 
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TXDawg.sixpack

All-Conference
Apr 10, 2009
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Prediction - We’ll eventually sign 4-6 underwhelming transfers, we’ll be told that they’re all actually solid additions due to blah blah blah, and then we’ll get the whole “what did you 17ers expect?” speech.

As Hadad likes to say, you don’t have to be a chef to know that a steak is overdone, and Lebby’s been serving us burnt sirloins for 2 years. He’s got 11 months
He better have less time than that. He needs to be gone by the end of October so we can get his replacement in place and started on recruiting.
 

ckDOG

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But you sure felt that they needed to be paid.
By the people making money off of their performance, names, image, and likeness -absolutely! They get my dollars through ticket purchases, espn subscriptions, or a small cut of the sales from businesses they are representatives of. Good old fashioned capitalism. Just like the pros. All for that.

If we are going to embrace the tip for play culture, we might as well be honest about it. Let the athletes put their Venmo QR on their unis. That would at least be an honest this for that transaction. Plus, it would result in a better distribution of dollars for performance than me sending 100 dollars to a collective and have 80 of it go to who knows where.
 
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Lebby’s up tempo, high volume offense doesn’t require a bunch of elite portal NIL bloated offensive linemen like more traditional scheme or tempos do. Instead, it thrives with a rotation of well conditioned o-line sized bodies that can sustain the most snaps in the country. High tempo demands rotating some linemen to stay fresh. Several solid, cardio trained bodies are valued over brute strength in Lebby’s style of offense. That’s why Shaud Williams specifically trains them for this style. We are good and will add a few more guys who fit this mold.
 

anon1768925248

Heisman
Oct 27, 2022
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Lebby’s up tempo, high volume offense doesn’t require a bunch of elite portal NIL bloated offensive linemen like more traditional scheme or tempos do. Instead, it thrives with a rotation of well conditioned o-line sized bodies that can sustain the most snaps in the country. High tempo demands rotating some linemen to stay fresh. Several solid, cardio trained bodies are valued over brute strength in Lebby’s style of offense. That’s why Shaud Williams specifically trains them for this style. We are good and will add a few more guys who fit this mold.
We had the second largest offensive line in the country this year.
 

Indndawg

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Nov 16, 2005
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Lebby’s up tempo, high volume offense doesn’t require a bunch of elite portal NIL bloated offensive linemen like more traditional scheme or tempos do. Instead, it thrives with a rotation of well conditioned o-line sized bodies that can sustain the most snaps in the country. High tempo demands rotating some linemen to stay fresh. Several solid, cardio trained bodies are valued over brute strength in Lebby’s style of offense. That’s why Shaud Williams specifically trains them for this style. We are good and will add a few more guys who fit this mold.
Waiting on some high volume wins. Whata bout it snowflake
 

3407Dewey

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Lebby’s up tempo, high volume offense doesn’t require a bunch of elite portal NIL bloated offensive linemen like more traditional scheme or tempos do. Instead, it thrives with a rotation of well conditioned o-line sized bodies that can sustain the most snaps in the country. High tempo demands rotating some linemen to stay fresh. Several solid, cardio trained bodies are valued over brute strength in Lebby’s style of offense. That’s why Shaud Williams specifically trains them for this style. We are good and will add a few more guys who fit this mold.
We are good? Like now, currently?
We’ve been watching different football teams apparently.
 

Lucifer Morningstar

All-Conference
Aug 30, 2022
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We are good? Like now, currently?
We’ve been watching different football teams apparently.
I was just thinking that while reading Will's post. Is there really any one, outside of Will, that thinks we are quote "good" in current the state on the O-line? I am just curious to know.
 

Ranchdawg

All-Conference
Dec 13, 2012
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Alabama has an OT and an DE in the portal. Both are highly ranked. I would love to see us get both!
 

Son_of_34

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Sep 30, 2012
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Lebby’s up tempo, high volume offense doesn’t require a bunch of elite portal NIL bloated offensive linemen like more traditional scheme or tempos do. Instead, it thrives with a rotation of well conditioned o-line sized bodies that can sustain the most snaps in the country. High tempo demands rotating some linemen to stay fresh. Several solid, cardio trained bodies are valued over brute strength in Lebby’s style of offense. That’s why Shaud Williams specifically trains them for this style. We are good and will add a few more guys who fit this mold.
Fraud Williams should be on the chopping block too
 

Lucifer Morningstar

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Aug 30, 2022
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That comment is all I need to see to know he is just a troll.
I was thinking so. I was just genuinely curious is there anybody dumb enough to agree with the troll about our O-Line. I have been an O-Line coach in high school for the last two decades along with playing O-line in college. It took me about 2 seconds to realize he had no idea what the hell is was talking about when it comes to O-Line play.
 

bulldoghair

All-Conference
Jul 9, 2013
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Remember, before I was banned, when I used to talk about the “temp-tax” with regards to linemen and Lebby? Most here laughed at the notion.

Here’s one thread, scroll down toward the bottom of the first page:
 
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