Stanford Preview and Game Thread

ZinfanHeel

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It was indeed a disappointing game. We had 30 FTs and made 18. That will never be acceptable at this level. CB says they work on FTs; I say work harder. I really think some of it is mental. We are too good a shooting team to not be able to make a free throw.

I will admit that our substitution pattern seems random. I'm sure it isn't but what CB sees in practice we can't know. Teams like ND, dook, NCSU, and Virginia have seen UNC enough to know where the strengths and weaknesses are. If we don't show some improvement - particularly in late game situations - it will be a long season.
 

uman1

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It was indeed a disappointing game. We had 30 FTs and made 18. That will never be acceptable at this level. CB says they work on FTs; I say work harder. I really think some of it is mental. We are too good a shooting team to not be able to make a free throw.

I will admit that our substitution pattern seems random. I'm sure it isn't but what CB sees in practice we can't know. Teams like ND, dook, NCSU, and Virginia have seen UNC enough to know where the strengths and weaknesses are. If we don't show some improvement - particularly in late game situations - it will be a long season.
The usual suspects IN and NB were 2-7 from the line today. Toomey and Harris are normally around 70%, which is OK for bigs, but were 8-14 today.
 
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Jriv23

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Carolina151 leadership is not the problem. They have that. This team and last year's team have the same common problem which is FT's shooting. This year's team and last year's team could not shot FT's. This is how we lost both games this year. We shot 18 out of 30 as a team today. If we would have hit at least 5 more we would have one the game. I will say that CB should have left NH in the game at the end. One of the guards should have come out. I do not know which one. Those 2 offensive rebounds Stanford got in the closing minutes was due to the fact that CT was the only big we had in trying to get a defensive rebound against Stanford's bigs. With CT and NH in the game the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th until CB took her out, we were getting defensive rebounds because you had two bigs in. That was a gamble by CB going with the 4 guards in and 1 big in. NH has a good FT percentage so I do not know why CB took her out. NH is a 70% FT shooter. I thought CB and Staff did the right thing which was getting the ball inside to Toomey and Harris.
 
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Jriv23

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LSU just lost. They and us have the same problem. They cannot beat a rank team. They cannot close out rank teams like us.
 

EjectGoose

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Was EA sick or injured at the end of the game? It was odd to see her on the bench during the final few possessions in overtime when we needed a 3, given she’d made 3 of them…
 

HeelsShooter2025

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EA had 12 in the 1st half and did not score in 2nd. She took a shot and missed late in the 4th with the game in doubt. She had lots of minutes.
 
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Bucwild88

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Was EA sick or injured at the end of the game? It was odd to see her on the bench during the final few possessions in overtime when we needed a 3, given she’d made 3 of them…
EA was the one who missed two crucial shots within the last minute and five seconds of the game and one of those shots was a layup.
 
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I just finished the game and have several questions/comments:

1. What was Kelly’s injury? If it wasn’t an injury on her shooting hand then what the heck is going on? She missed every single wide open three and clutch midrange that she took it felt like.

2. Why didn’t Hull or Henderson play more (or at all)? They are athletic enough to stick with smaller/quicker players and have height that might have disrupted some of those jumpers.

3. Something feels disjointed about this team and it feels like having Nivar as the “leader” might be it. When your leader can’t hit free throws, can’t hit an outside shot, and misses layups pretty frequently that is an issue.

We needed Kelly to be the floor leader and she is flat out struggling.
 

3ptthreat

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I watched the postgame presser that RL recorded. It was refreshing to see CB put the blame on herself for once.


I am of course, kidding.
Ha.

“They will either grow from this or they won’t. I don’t really know what else I can do”. Quote from the press conference.

I get the frustration - these results are more that at this point. Past time we have leveled up.

But I think that is ultimately the coaches job to figure out. To find a way to make sure they grow from offensive struggles and defensive break downs and to not let it happen again (but we know this is like a movie on repeat now). Just speaks to the difference between a good coach and great/top tier coach and sadly it shows in the results.
 

Heelyeah#23

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I think Henderson would have been a person that I would have put on her. She is 6 feet 1, quick, etc. Remember the Louisville game when she guarded one of their players that was going off at

I will say that Toomey's improvement has me hopeful for the future. Probably the only bright spot today along with Harris.
Agree, but believe transfer portal will be her next move.
 

HeelsShooter2025

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I just finished the game and have several questions/comments:

1. What was Kelly’s injury? If it wasn’t an injury on her shooting hand then what the heck is going on? She missed every single wide open three and clutch midrange that she took it felt like.

2. Why didn’t Hull or Henderson play more (or at all)? They are athletic enough to stick with smaller/quicker players and have height that might have disrupted some of those jumpers.

3. Something feels disjointed about this team and it feels like having Nivar as the “leader” might be it. When your leader can’t hit free throws, can’t hit an outside shot, and misses layups pretty frequently that is an issue.

We needed Kelly to be the floor leader and she is flat out struggling.
You make good points. Not sure about Kelly’s injury, but she has lost her shot.
 

SeaPinesHeel

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Ha.

“They will either grow from this or they won’t. I don’t really know what else I can do”. Quote from the press conference.

I get the frustration - these results are more that at this point. Past time we have leveled up.

But I think that is ultimately the coaches job to figure out. To find a way to make sure they grow from offensive struggles and defensive break downs and to not let it happen again (but we know this is like a movie on repeat now). Just speaks to the difference between a good coach and great/top tier coach and sadly it shows in the results.
I mean, has anything ever been her fault
 

EjectGoose

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EA had 12 in the 1st half and did not score in 2nd. She took a shot and missed late in the 4th with the game in doubt. She had lots of minutes.

I hear you. On the other hand, EA was 2-2 from 3 and the rest of the team was 1-12. Seems like you’d want her on the court down 6 with 25 seconds left for her ability to shoot a 3.

Then again, I guess we didn’t need her out there when the play call was to try to feed the low post. I get we were trying to score quickly but there wasn’t enough time left to play it as a 3 possession game.
 
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tarboy

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We need to bring Henderson and Brooks along. Brooks can be a game winner if she gets hot shooting the ball. Henderson can shoot and is a great athlete. They need some time and they need to be set up to make them feel this is their team. They are both stars of next years team if both are still here.

Kelly/Grant/Aarnisalo, Toomey, Henderson, Brooks and Kate Harpring will be a great team next season
if we develop the freshmen.
 

Shamrock15

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Lots of people blaming Coach and that's fine, especially for the substitutional rotations, but a good bit of responsibility goes to the players. Absolutely no way they should have lost this one. Up 6 for a long time and just couldn't make the one more play to put it out of reach.
 

CCHeel1

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Was EA sick or injured at the end of the game? It was odd to see her on the bench during the final few possessions in overtime when we needed a 3, given she’d made 3 of them…
She threw a wild pass about 2 feet over Nivar's head from mid court when we were up 6. Then she missed a couple shots down the stretch. I think CB was searching for something and didn't trust her after that. I thought she got fouled on at least one of the shots she took and she's one of our better FT shooters, so your point is a good one.
 

tarboy

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The argument could be made CB put her team in position to win the game if they had just made
their FT's. That is really all a coach can do.

I think our best team this season includes Brooks and Henderson although they are both defensive liabilities as most freshmen are at this point. Laila Hull might also crack the rotation.

We seem kind of limited offensively with just Toomey and Harris as scoring threats like yesterday. JMO.
 

JOB1937

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I hear you. On the other hand, EA was 2-2 from 3 and the rest of the team was 1-12. Seems like you’d want her on the court down 6 with 25 seconds left for her ability to shoot a 3.

Then again, I guess we didn’t need her out there when the play call was to try to feed the low post. I get we were trying to score quickly but there wasn’t enough time left to play it as a 3 possession game.
Also, kinda curious that we didn’t even try to foul down 6 with 20 seconds left. I guess I just dreamed an 8-point in 17 seconds comeback in that same arena in 1974.
 

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Was EA sick or injured at the end of the game? It was odd to see her on the bench during the final few possessions in overtime when we needed a 3, given she’d made 3 of them…
EA missed practice for at least a week over the break for flu. She played in a couple of games but did not start and did not play great. No idea if she is suffering any lingering effects or not at this point?

FWIW she missed the final layup in regulation that could have won the game. Was immediately subbed out for defense and did not return. I don t think one missed shot would/should get you benched, but (hypothetically) her reaction to it afterward could affect coach's decisions.

I agree it was surprising we did not see her in OT, but we were not down by 3pts or more until there was only 35 seconds left in OT. At that point she subbed in Henderson and Hull for fouling purposes and 3pt shooting instead of Aarnisalo. I suppose Aarnisalo over Kelly would have made sense given their shooting this year. But we only had one shot in the last 35 seconds: a missed contested layup. Kelly made her 2 FTs in that timespan.
 
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I just finished the game and have several questions/comments:

1. What was Kelly’s injury? If it wasn’t an injury on her shooting hand then what the heck is going on? She missed every single wide open three and clutch midrange that she took it felt like.

2. Why didn’t Hull or Henderson play more (or at all)? They are athletic enough to stick with smaller/quicker players and have height that might have disrupted some of those jumpers.

3. Something feels disjointed about this team and it feels like having Nivar as the “leader” might be it. When your leader can’t hit free throws, can’t hit an outside shot, and misses layups pretty frequently that is an issue.

We needed Kelly to be the floor leader and she is flat out struggling.
1. She had her knee scoped in the offseason, so possibly some cartilage damage or a partial ligament tear or similar. Your spring can absolutely affect your jump shot. She shot 33% on 2pt shots this game, so not great. 0-3 on 3's. Made her FTs.

2. Henderson's efficiency numbers are through the roof, especially recently. when she plays she delivers on offense. It is harder to gauge defense in limited play against good competition, but to my eye she is always at least tenacious. I can only assume practice looks different or the team defense assignments are missed, because on paper, offensively, she should be playing. The issue is, how much less do you play Nivar, Harris and Brooks; they are competing for the same minutes if you assume Toomey/Thomas have the 5 locked down and Kelly/Aarnisalo/Grant have the 1 and 2 locked down, though I suppose Nivar could play more 2 and we go bigger... if Henderson/Brooks/ can adequately guard a perimeter player at the 3. Hull is great and would get significant minutes on most any other ACC team, may even start for a few. But we have extreme depth at her position. I think she is just a bit behind Harris/Nivar/Brooks/Henderson and is competing with Queiroz it seems for scraps.

3. Nivar is the best player on this team right now, and that is because defense is 1/2 the game. 2nd in the ACC in steals by a wide margin, 9th nationally. and she is disruptive beyond steals. Leads the team in assists. Tied for the team lead in points, though we have 5 players between 10 and 12 points so no separation there. Her effective FG% is strong (I think takes that she cannot hit the 3 [35% this year] and misses too many bunnies [53% from 2pt range] are outdated). She helps create and finish transition play, which when going, is our best offense. She is our best rebounder from the perimeter (though I would like to see what Henderson can do more). She is less impressive in the half court offense admittedly. And she has too many turnovers by taking risks. Yes, she stinks at FTs. In terms of being a team leader or a team star: no she is not a clear cut tippy top ACC player. But she is the best we have. This is a team many great ACC caliber players, but we have no star player, especially with Kelly struggling (as you pointed out). I cannot speak to Nivar's leadership skills, but I have no reason to think this smart, confident, articulate senior is not pulling her weight. She looks like a leader to me, but I am not on the bench nor in practice.

In this game specifically we effectively played a 7 woman rotation through regulation, and that was with a ton of foul trouble and certain players not having their "A" game it seemed. Thomas and Henderson combined for maybe 4 minutes total outside of that. I do not agree with that decision. For most of the year, we have gone 10 deep even in the few contested games. I think more than 10 is unrealistic and unnecessary, but this should not be a 7 woman rotation. We suddenly started losing the rebounding battle and forced less turnovers late in this game. Coincidence?
 
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I will say that Toomey's improvement has me hopeful for the future. Probably the only bright spot today along with Harris.
This was a coming out game for Toomey. great efficiency against a solid Stanford front line. She scored in a number of ways in and near the post. She held Somfai to 2 of 6 on 2pt attempts and only 1 offensive rebound. She and Harris fouled out Nagara. Toomey was player of the game if we had won.

I am 100% comfortable with Toomey bring our P1, and in the preseason I predicted she would backup Thomas. I was wrong there, lol.

Though I will say, her rebounding could have been better. she got out-muscled a few times for balls in her area.
 

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If you look at it, NH and CT have delivered. NH is leading the team in points since the ACC play has started. We had both of the ACC games that we lost won but we failed to deliver when it counted. Some of it falls on the players and some of it fails on CB and coaching staff. Missing FT's and layups falls on the players. The coaches cannot play the game. Knowing personnel and who to put in and leave in the game when crunch time comes falls on the coaches; especially CB. They know and we know what the problem is. Now, let's get it fix so we can move on and start winning the close ones. We do not need to analyze this anymore. The stats tells us what we need to know and what we thought was the problem.
 
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Also, kinda curious that we didn’t even try to foul down 6 with 20 seconds left. I guess I just dreamed an 8-point in 17 seconds comeback in that same arena in 1974.
While having a 3 point shot helps, which wasn't around in 1974, the fact that all fouls are 2 shots instead of 1 & 1 makes a huge difference in the likelihood of pulling off that kind of comeback.

For the record, I was in the student bleachers for that 1974 game. :)
 

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While having a 3 point shot helps, which wasn't around in 1974, the fact that all fouls are 2 shots instead of 1 & 1 makes a huge difference in the likelihood of pulling off that kind of comeback.

For the record, I was in the student bleachers for that 1974 game. :)
I bet that was simply awesome
 
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kjcooper

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We have two seniors currently on the roster, if I am correct? This is a team of mostly freshman and sophomores, which they are having growing pains. The team does not have the superstar type player who can will this team to wins in a close game. IN is a great defensive player, but is limited offensively ( especially FT %). As some have stated this team lacks a player with a dawg mentality, which is something Kate Harping will add to this team next season. BT has not progressed at the rate which her HS ratings would have suggested. At one time she was in the top 10 of her recruiting class, then towards her senior year she dropped to around the 20's. CT is playing exceptionally well considering she missed her senior year and RS her freshman year.
Do not believe any of the current freshman or sophomore will transfer out, but the one player most likely to depart is RK after this season. JMHO!
 

FBIKen

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Coaches commitment to RK is going to be the death to this team. CB has given RK every opportunity to succeed and she hasn't responded. In this game I saw at least 2 times where RK was playing selfishly and didn't pass the ball to the players that were wide open. She no longer can beat her defender with the dribble. Not being able to do this is not leaving players wide open for easy shots. EA is the best point guard we have. Something has changed with EA. I think she knows she is better than RK and RK is getting her minutes and she doesn't like it. Now EA is a team player but she knows she is better than RK. If changes are not made in playing time the rest of the season I can see several players leaving at the end of the season. TH needs to play, right now she plays better than NB. NB confidence looks down at the moment. She needs to see some shots go through the nets. If CB doesn't make changes moving forward in my opinion I see this program taking a big step backwards next year. I like CB and want her to succeed but she has to make some changes or she will lose this team You have to play the best players and when you're not the players know it and attitudes go south quick. Give this team a chance to be really good, coach.
 

Jriv23

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Let us be fair to RK. She is still recovery from the surgery that she had before the season started. She is still not at 100%. It is going to take time for her to get back to the form of last year. She is slowly getting there. Also, I listen to Muffet McGray and Crutchfield the other day. The majority of freshmen that come into the ACC are going to struggle (have ups and downs) unless they are a phenom coming in. There have only been a few that were on this level. I can name some like JuJu Watkins, HH, PB, CC, MM, SS, Cherly Miller, etc. Kate is a great player, but she is not a phenom. The freshman guard at Duke who was ranked in the top 4 of last year's class is a great player but not a phenom. Those two ACC games that we lost did not require a dawg mentally player as someone mentioned above. It only required our players making their FT's and some coaching down the stretch. It is just that simple. As I stated before, CB stated that they got out rebounded by 12 on Sunday. Those who watched the game saw Stanford get 2 to 3 offensive rebounds in a row down the stretch. That was the result of having four guards in and 1 big in for us. NH should have been in there during that time to help with rebounding and guarding one of the other two bigs that were getting the offensive rebounds and putting them back in underneath the basket (Ogden). CT could not do it by herself since she was occupied by guarding the other big. That was a coaching mistake IMO.
 

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Agree with some of what you posted, but every team needs a player (dawg) who will refuse to let the team loose even if they have areas which were bad such as FT shooting, and etc. With the current players who will be holdover going into next season (hopefully), Kate being a guard will propel this team to another level. Granted we do not necessary know if she will be a freshman phenom or not, chances are about 50/50. Have to agree with your last statement that coaching mistakes are happening, thought they would have learned from the Louisville game, apparently they have not.
With RK, let's hope she does return to form, had the same aspirations with McPherson.
 

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I have been a CB fan since day 1 but each year and each near miss I loss a little bit of hope. I was in person at the Louisville game and I was astounded at the lack of in game coaching and/or mismanaging. I saw it again vs Stanford. It seems that she doesn't know or trust her personnel. We can blame it on FTs which yes of course that would make things easier but both games could have been won despite. She goes long stretches without playing some players without a reason- it's like she forgets about them on the bench. To have Harris on the bench in crunch time against Stanford was criminal. There were players that had played well in Louisville that were on bench at end as well. There are issues on this team and aspects they need to take responsibility for improving but bottom-line is that they are still talented enough to win games with those issues but coaching is letting them down.
 

kjcooper

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Have to agree with you on CB, have been a fan since she was originally hired. Great recruiter, she and the GM are able to keep key players on the roster, but her in game coaching needs some adjustments. If not they will come up short again in the ACC regular season. Duke and NC State are playing exceptional well, and Louisville seems destine to win the regular season ACC.
One other thing, if they do not secure a win at South Bend this weekend they will be a middle of the pack team in the ACC this year.
 

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This is what I said a few weeks ago about CB not being able to make in game adjustments and someone shot me down. Thanks to you guys who were at the game in person and saw what I saw when I was watching them on tv.