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[Chumpsky]

CDC panel recommends delaying birth dose of hepatitis B vaccine

The CDC's ACIP panel voted to recommend delaying the birth dose of the hepatitis B vaccine, ending a policy that has reined in the virus.

www.statnews.com

It won't stop at Hep B either. They're going to start pulling them all eventually. If you have young children, talk to their doctors about which vaccines they can get early before the Trump administration takes them away.

 

[baltimorened]

CDC panel recommends delaying birth dose of hepatitis B vaccine

The CDC's ACIP panel voted to recommend delaying the birth dose of the hepatitis B vaccine, ending a policy that has reined in the virus.

www.statnews.com

It won't stop at Hep B either. They're going to start pulling them all eventually. If you have young children, talk to their doctors about which vaccines they can get early before the Trump administration takes them away.

Is the administration taking them away? Can't the parents get them at all? I didn't get that from this article.

 

[Chumpsky]

Is the administration taking them away? Can't the parents get them at all? I didn't get that from this article.

Of course you'd didn't.

 

[baltimorened]

Of course you'd didn't.

with all due respect, that wasn't much of an answer. From what I read, the panel simply removes the period when the vaccine is recommended to be given. Seems as if the parents/doctors can look at the data and make their own decisions as to whether or not to give it as recommended.

That's a little different than the government taking the vaccine away.

 

[tigres88]

with all due respect, that wasn't much of an answer. From what I read, the panel simply removes the period when the vaccine is recommended to be given. Seems as if the parents/doctors can look at the data and make their own decisions as to whether or not to give it as recommended.

That's a little different than the government taking the vaccine away.

From what I read, the guns panel removes the age limit where guns are recommended to be sold to children without the parents having to consent. It's a little different than the government letting anyone buy guns.

From what I read, the automobile panel removes the restriction to wear seat belts recommended to car drivers, and letting drivers decide. It's a little different than the government removing all safety restrictions from cars.

From what I read, the drugs and alcohol panel removed age limits on purchasing alochol and will let everyone buy alcohol at any age. It's a little different than the government removing all laws about drugs and alcohol.

Jesus yall are insane

 

[UrHuckleberry]

with all due respect, that wasn't much of an answer. From what I read, the panel simply removes the period when the vaccine is recommended to be given. Seems as if the parents/doctors can look at the data and make their own decisions as to whether or not to give it as recommended.

That's a little different than the government taking the vaccine away.

Often the issue with them changing recommendations is that, yes it doesn't make it illegal to get them, but insurers don't often pay for things out of the good of their heart. And the people most effected by that in this case, would be the people who likely need it the most.

 

[baltimorened]

Often the issue with them changing recommendations is that, yes it doesn't make it illegal to get them, but insurers don't often pay for things out of the good of their heart. And the people most effected by that in this case, would be the people who likely need it the most.

are insurance companies now declining to pay for this, or speculating? The vaccine is still on the "recommended" list, I understand, just not when it is now.

 

[UrHuckleberry]

are insurance companies now declining to pay for this, or speculating? The vaccine is still on the "recommended" list, I understand, just not when it is now.

It is just why it is important. Not because people are out there googling RFKJr's recommendations.

 

[baltimorened]

It is just why it is important. Not because people are out there googling RFKJr's recommendations.

well, I'm not a vaccination expert. But from what I've read, some "experts" believe that vaccinating for hepatitis so soon after birth has some potential downsides and if the mother doesn't pass it at birth there's no upside to giving it that early and no downside to waiting until later to give it.

Now as you can imagine, there is an equal or opposite opinion from other "experts". Some on the panel also disagree. I understand the vote was 8-3.

I guess the expert on the panel last gets to make the decision

 

[MTTiger19]

are insurance companies now declining to pay for this, or speculating? The vaccine is still on the "recommended" list, I understand, just not when it is now.

Often the issue with them changing recommendations is that, yes it doesn't make it illegal to get them, but insurers don't often pay for things out of the good of their heart. And the people most affected by that in this case, would be the people who likely need it the most.

This is completely untrue. Insurance companies will absolutely continue to cover vaccines. This is simply giving parents a choice.

 

[MTTiger19]

It is just why it is important. Not because people are out there googling RFKJr's recommendations.

Thid is disingenuous at best. It’s completely untrue that vaccines will not be covered by insurance or offered by hcps. Wow.

 

[FLaw47]

This is completely untrue. Insurance companies will absolutely continue to cover vaccines. This is simply giving parents a choice.

Parents already had a choice.

 

[UrHuckleberry]

Thid is disingenuous at best. It’s completely untrue that vaccines will not be covered by insurance or offered by hcps. Wow.

Insurance companies famously generous. My bad for being disingenuous.

 

[MTTiger19]

Insurance companies famously generous. My bad for being disingenuous.

You said they weren’t gonna cover them anymore. That’s a lie or disingenuous, call it what you like. Vaccines recommended under “shared clinical decision-making” are still fully covered—no different from routine recommendations.


• The CDC’s press release confirms: “These recommendations on hepatitis B immunization maintain consistency of coverage for all payment mechanisms, including… Medicaid, Medicare, [Children’s Health Insurance Program], and insurance plans through the federal Health Insurance Marketplace.”


• A CMS policy analyst testified during the ACIP meeting: “We see no coverage gaps in the newly proposed language and don’t believe it would restrict access.” Coverage holds for Medicaid, CHIP, and private plans.


• The insurance trade group has stated they will continue covering the shots, per Reuters reporting.


• Medicare Part B already covers the full hepatitis B series at no cost (if the provider accepts assignment) for eligible beneficiaries, and this was expanded in 2025 to include those without a prior complete series or unknown history—independent of ACIP timing changes.


• The Vaccines for Children (VFC) program, which serves about half of U.S. kids, explicitly includes the hepatitis B vaccine with no changes.

 

[MTTiger19]

Parents already had a choice.

Then what’s the problem?

 

[MTTiger19]

Is the administration taking them away? Can't the parents get them at all? I didn't get that from this article.

Bro, all they did was move the schedule for the hep B vac out two months and these guys are absolutely melting down. Crazy reactions to this.

 

[FLaw47]

Then what’s the problem?

The problem is that the agency that provides the official guidance for these things is now populated with bona fide quacks who adjust recommendations in a manner not at all backed by evidence. At BEST it's stupid and embarrassing. Unfortunately it will very likely result in children dying who would otherwise live. Vaccine skeptics get plenty of validation on Facebook mom's groups, they don't need more from the government.

 

[UrHuckleberry]

Bro, all they did was move the schedule for the hep B vac out two months and these guys are absolutely melting down. Crazy reactions to this.

You have an interesting view of what constitutes melting down.

 

[UrHuckleberry]

You said they weren’t gonna cover them anymore. That’s a lie or disingenuous, call it what you like. Vaccines recommended under “shared clinical decision-making” are still fully covered—no different from routine recommendations.


• The CDC’s press release confirms: “These recommendations on hepatitis B immunization maintain consistency of coverage for all payment mechanisms, including… Medicaid, Medicare, [Children’s Health Insurance Program], and insurance plans through the federal Health Insurance Marketplace.”


• A CMS policy analyst testified during the ACIP meeting: “We see no coverage gaps in the newly proposed language and don’t believe it would restrict access.” Coverage holds for Medicaid, CHIP, and private plans.


• The insurance trade group has stated they will continue covering the shots, per Reuters reporting.


• Medicare Part B already covers the full hepatitis B series at no cost (if the provider accepts assignment) for eligible beneficiaries, and this was expanded in 2025 to include those without a prior complete series or unknown history—independent of ACIP timing changes.


• The Vaccines for Children (VFC) program, which serves about half of U.S. kids, explicitly includes the hepatitis B vaccine with no changes.

I said often, but you do you

 

[baltimorened]

Insurance companies famously generous. My bad for being disingenuous.

just read an article where some insurance organization stated that Insurance WILL cover the shots.

another catastrophe averted. (for today at least)

seems as if chumpsky might have been out in front with his post. So, RFK is not killing babies (for today at least)

 

[MTTiger19]

I said often, but you do you

Well you were wrong, and you don’t answer direct questions.

Ned specifically asked if insurance companies would stop covering and you responded:

It is just why it is important. Not because people are out there googling RFKJr's recommendations.

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Instead of telling the truth, that these vaccines are covered you obfuscate with nonsense. Hook em bud.

 

[MTTiger19]

The problem is that the agency that provides the official guidance for these things is now populated with bona fide quacks who adjust recommendations in a manner not at all backed by evidence. At BEST it's stupid and embarrassing. Unfortunately it will very likely result in children dying who would otherwise live. Vaccine skeptics get plenty of validation on Facebook mom's groups, they don't need more from the government.

Recent ACIP changes (December 2025) to “shared decision-making” for low-risk newborns could slightly raise risks if uptake dips, but experts project minimal impact on totals given sustained coverage. For context, total U.S. acute HBV infections (all ages) were ~14,400 in 2023, almost entirely in unvaccinated adult. Don’t let facts get in the way of the narrative.

 

[MTTiger19]

You have an interesting view of what constitutes melting down.

Do I? “Trumps taking vaccines away!” “Insurance is no longer covering vaccines!” “Children will die!” Seems like a meltdown but ok buddy.

 

[MTTiger19]

just read an article where some insurance organization stated that Insurance WILL cover the shots.

another catastrophe averted. (for today at least)

seems as if chumpsky might have been out in front with his post. So, RFK is not killing babies (for today at least)

I have a post showing essentially all insurance providers will continue coverage including Medicaid and Medicare. It’s absolutely a lie that they will not cover this. The other part of this that they deliberately leave out is children must be vaccinated to go to school(unless religious exemption), it’s simply pushing this vaccine out a few months. Big deal. TDS man.

 

[UrHuckleberry]

just read an article where some insurance organization stated that Insurance WILL cover the shots.

another catastrophe averted. (for today at least)

seems as if chumpsky might have been out in front with his post. So, RFK is not killing babies (for today at least)

Babies have been dying from the overall vaccine skepticism (both measles and recently whooping cough which the vaccines are 100% effective against) but yes, I’m sure Hep B will take some time to give babies lifelong liver disease.

 

[MTTiger19]

Babies have been dying from the overall vaccine skepticism (both measles and recently whooping cough which the vaccines are 100% effective against) but yes, I’m sure Hep B will take some time to give babies lifelong liver disease.

Do you have children?

 

[baltimorened]

Babies have been dying from the overall vaccine skepticism (both measles and recently whooping cough which the vaccines are 100% effective against) but yes, I’m sure Hep B will take some time to give babies lifelong liver disease.

well, the thing is, as I understand it from the news, if the parents/doctor want to give it at birth, it's their choice. All this is now is a change in recommendation as to when to give it.

 

[MTTiger19]

well, the thing is, as I understand it from the news, if the parents/doctor want to give it at birth, it's their choice. All this is now is a change in recommendation as to when to give it.

Exactly! Precisely correct and why I asked if he has children. Parents are free to vaccinate their child whenever they want, at birth or in 2 months.

Ironically when it comes to vaccines they have an issue with loss of life. Ask these same people about violent criminals being released and murdering innocent people or illegals killing families in 18 wheelers and you’ll get crickets. Cost of doing business they say. So captured.

 

[UrHuckleberry]

well, the thing is, as I understand it from the news, if the parents/doctor want to give it at birth, it's their choice. All this is now is a change in recommendation as to when to give it.

Sure sure. My issue isn’t this particular issue (although I think it is misguided), it’s the overall continued vaccine skepticism. Which this is yet another step towards

 

[MTTiger19]

Sure sure. My issue isn’t this particular issue (although I think it is misguided), it’s the overall continued vaccine skepticism. Which this is yet another step towards

Towards what? Parents having a say in their children’s health? You don’t seem to have a problem with parents that transition their child, it’s none of our business right? Why’s that different here?

 

[baltimorened]

Sure sure. My issue isn’t this particular issue (although I think it is misguided), it’s the overall continued vaccine skepticism. Which this is yet another step towards

I can deal with the skepticism, personally as long as that doesn't lead to directives. Heck, vaccines are not the only things we have skepticism over when dealing with the government. Just add this one to the list.

It does seem as if we have a lot more vaccines than other 1st world countries.

But, you're right about the proven vaccines like polio that we should not screw around with.

 

[dpic73]

Recent ACIP changes (December 2025) to “shared decision-making” for low-risk newborns could slightly raise risks if uptake dips, but experts project minimal impact on totals given sustained coverage. For context, total U.S. acute HBV infections (all ages) were ~14,400 in 2023, almost entirely in unvaccinated adult. Don’t let facts get in the way of the narrative.

It's almost like you're on to something!

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

From what I read, the guns panel removes the age limit where guns are recommended to be sold to children without the parents having to consent. It's a little different than the government letting anyone buy guns.

From what I read, the automobile panel removes the restriction to wear seat belts recommended to car drivers, and letting drivers decide. It's a little different than the government removing all safety restrictions from cars.

From what I read, the drugs and alcohol panel removed age limits on purchasing alochol and will let everyone buy alcohol at any age. It's a little different than the government removing all laws about drugs and alcohol.

Jesus yall are insane

Just so you know about presenting a written argument to persuade people to your point.

Your post totally has me baffled as to your point or side or whatever you are trying yo sell.

Total rhetorical crap show for me.

I guess I will ho with from what I read I the debate panel removes all logic from a post.

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

well, I'm not a vaccination expert. But from what I've read, some "experts" believe that vaccinating for hepatitis so soon after birth has some potential downsides and if the mother doesn't pass it at birth there's no upside to giving it that early and no downside to waiting until later to give it.

Now as you can imagine, there is an equal or opposite opinion from other "experts". Some on the panel also disagree. I understand the vote was 8-3.

I guess the expert on the panel last gets to make the decision

Back in 1952 I did not receive the Hep B and did not until I was around my 50’s so Hep B based on my life experiences dies not seem to be a needed vaccine at birth.

Just thinking my experiences make sense.

 

[tigres88]

Just so you know about presenting a written argument to persuade people to your point.

Your post totally has me baffled as to your point or side or whatever you are trying yo sell.

Total rhetorical crap show for me.

I guess I will ho with from what I read I the debate panel removes all logic from a post.

From what I read, "the old people on the internet" panel strongly recommends old people to not post on the internet when they're in deep cognitive decline.

That's different than saying @PalmettoTiger1 can't post on the internet anymore, just a recommendation for his age and mental state.

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

well, the thing is, as I understand it from the news, if the parents/doctor want to give it at birth, it's their choice. All this is now is a change in recommendation as to when to give it.

As a parent and grandparent to grandchildren I like the waiting a few months after birth to give children vaccinations. I feel the several months gives the baby some time to gain dome strength and weight before taking shots that might react with that child.

Just my thinking

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

From what I read, "the old people on the internet" panel strongly recommends old people to not post on the internet when they're in deep cognitive decline.

That's different than saying @PalmettoTiger1 can't post on the internet anymore, just a recommendation for his age and mental state.

Thank you for digressing further into logical oblivion.

You definitely would finish your speeches to a near empty audience except your moma.

 

[UrHuckleberry]

I can deal with the skepticism, personally as long as that doesn't lead to directives. Heck, vaccines are not the only things we have skepticism over when dealing with the government. Just add this one to the list.

It does seem as if we have a lot more vaccines than other 1st world countries.

But, you're right about the proven vaccines like polio that we should not screw around with.

I mean, the skepticism doesn’t affect me either. But anti-vax skepticism (from parents of that movement) is directly leading to the death of kids. Not my kid, so I too can deal with the skepticism.

 

[UrHuckleberry]

Towards what? Parents having a say in their children’s health? You don’t seem to have a problem with parents that transition their child, it’s none of our business right? Why’s that different here?

You have no issue killing people, as long as they’re brown, so not surprising you don’t care about children! (See how annoying it is for someone to put arguments to your words based on the boogie man of the people that lean the other way?)

 

[MTTiger19]

You have no issue killing people, as long as they’re brown, so not surprising you don’t care about children! (See how annoying it is for someone to put arguments to your words based on the boogie man of the people that lean the other way?)

You ever see what your friends on here call me and accuse me of? This is a parent/child/doctor issue. Not a leftist, overreaching issue. I’m not fazed by your bs. I know who I am.

Btw if chopping a little boys junk off or putting them on life altering drugs is a “parents choice” for the welfare of their child how isn’t this?