What the hell happened to you. Your posts used to be reasonable and balanced. Now your just posting to **** on Pike and out players. Grow the f up. You really see no role for Buchanan on a basketball court. Come on now.
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A Pike coached team is never better off with a Lathan type. He had to go for this reason. I think Lathan could find success in a different style system but so long as Pike is our coach, Lathan was not a fit here. Pike wins through defense first. If he couldn’t win with an offense approach with 2 lottery picks it’s not happening. He needs to go back to his root and it seems he’s trying to do so.
The defense isn’t perfect so far but it’s improved. we’re rebounding much better and playing D in the interior but for a few communication breakdowns. A big metric holding our D back early is 3 point D but there’s a big chance variant in that which I think will normalize some over time. Maine shot 45% from 3 against us. They were 20% against Stonybrook, 29% vs Quinnipac and 23% against GW. I refuse to believe the difference is simply just better 3 point defense by all of these other teams. Maine had a good shooting day against us. A bad shooting day against Stonybrook.
Now there you go again . We don’t have a player that would see the court at Kansas. Dylan Grant says hello and he says he will dunk on your ***. Your negativity is over the top. We are not a ranked team and we likely are not going to the dance this year but the guys seem to be playing hard, playing defense unlike last year , and a few guys have gotten better. The other night the 4 returning players were the key to beating Lehigh. Now if we get something from the Euros , something from the transfers and something from the freshman , maybe that is a competitive product every night.
We might be in “big trouble” but our results don’t stand out as much different from many other teams in that bracket. Actually, you know who stands out, if anyone as struggling? Oregon.
What you said about Buchanan just proves that you are way off base.
It feels Pikes teams have always given up good looks from 3 and team success often has depended on how well the other team shoots it.
The eye test tells me we will whip some Big Ten teams and lose bad to some. The top 4-5 teams in the Big Ten are unstoppable but the bottom is horrible. Pike will get some wins. With NIL the extremes of the league have gotten farther away, as expected. We will be middle of the league whem the dust settles. Crown or fringe NIT at the very best, which all things considered would be great
If we get to any type of post season this season would be an enormous success given the optimism that pike can retain his types of guys and guys that want to be here
the Big 10 is 61-4 so far..what teams are horrible? Penn State, Rutgers, Minnesota..pretty small list
Based on the responses I genuinely feel like I’m watching a different team. I just don’t see it. I’ll just bite my tongue and report back after the Vegas games.
The big ten is also 10-4 versus power confrence teams to date and without a bad loss ….
I mean - if your going strictly by how the teams performed against cupcakes to compare them to Rutgers (that’d be the only true apples to apples for the moment since RU hasnt played a high major yet) - Oregon, UCLA and Michigan State technically looked just as vulnerable as us - no? How could one argue otherwise.
Maryland will be managing that injury to their center now who is their best player.
I’ll add - tonight’s game could be a test. St Joes usually decent so Penn beating them probably means American / Penn aren’t “awful” as far as low majors go. Lehigh might be - or not. We don’t know that yet. They haven’t played any low / mid majors.
Agree 100%. That’s always been Pike’s philosophy which is actually why I’m not as bothered by the metrics right now as some. Only when the scouting report screams lights out shooter does Pike make adjustments to his schemes. Maine hurt us with a walk on shooter going 4-6 and nailed 2 threes with time expiring. They made 9 total 3s in the game.
Pike’s approach has always been to shut down the inside game, lock down the glass and force them to beat us from the perimeter. Lehigh did just that early in the game shooting lights out. Then they cooled off. Pike’s style lends itself to some potential WTF losses when teams are on fire from the outside and sustain it for the whole game. But on the other hand, our style has historically given us a chance against more talented teams than us, especially at home since teams tend to shoot worse on the road.
As did Cam - my dim recollection was that Spencer got something like $125K form UConn when RU had offered something like $25K. And that Paul M got close to $400K ... crazy, if true, that Paul got more than 3X what Spencer got.
And .. for those years, the 2nd year of the portal, only, I think, they both left very late in the process - Spencer in May and Paul in June - totally screwing the team and Pikiell ... there was literally nothing they could do to replace them adequately.
And no way did Spencer leave because Noah was coming on board - I don't think Fernandes even decided for sure until after Spencer left, though Ru had been talking to him.
Omoruyi may have felt his time was over at RU after 4 good years of loyalty. But money almost cewrtainly influenced him: RU did not have the money for even %1 million for him, he got offered $1.8 million supposedly from UNC i think, and the reports are he got $1.4 or $1.5 million from Alabama. He had to know at this stage he was not getting drafted by the NBA, nor was he likely to have a future in the NBA. So this would BE his payday. I do not begrudge him that.
Frankly, I don't really begrudge Paul M's decision - that was a LOT of money, which he was not getting anywhere near that from RU. what I begrudge was the timing. Really bad timing. Really hurtful to the team and program.
You guys are talking in circles but making different points.
PSAL_Hoops is merely stating that our effort and performance in the first three games is no indication at all of how the season will play out, as our results against the cupcakes are no different than the results against cupcakes of Rutgers teams that made the NCAA Tournament and no different than other P5 programs this year. He's absolutely right.
What others are saying is that, regardless of the results to date, they evaluate the players on the roster and how those players look in playing those three games, and they conclude that the roster individually and collectively is not NCAA-caliber. I think most would agree that they're also right.
So, one view is the results-to-date analysis, and the other view is an eye-test analysis. Both things can be true.
PSAL_Hoops is merely stating that our effort and performance in the first three games is no indication at all of how the season will play out, as our results against the cupcakes are no different than the results against cupcakes of Rutgers teams that made the NCAA Tournament and no different than other P5 programs this year. He's absolutely right.
What others are saying is that, regardless of the results to date, they evaluate the players on the roster and how those players look in playing those three games, and they conclude that the roster individually and collectively is not NCAA-caliber. I think most would agree that they're also right.
So, one view is the results-to-date analysis, and the other view is an eye-test analysis. Both things can be true.
What would you be saying right now if we had won by a combined 5 points at home to Hawaii and Rice - and then followed that up finding ourselves in a 61-60 dog fight with under 7 minutes to play (ultimately won by 14) vs a South Dakota State team that only managed to beat a little NAIA school (Dakota State) by 6. If that was our body of work right now you would not be saying these were impressive wins. You’ll tell me - oh but they played Arizona tough… you wouldn’t be wrong, but again, we haven’t actually played anyone yet. If/when your prophecy is fulfilled and Tenn blows the snot out of us, then sure, fine. But as of right now, we have no data on what we’ll look like against better teams.
How about UCLA’s 6 point win over an Eastern Washington team that hasn’t even beaten a D1 team yet (27 point drubbing by Seattle) followed by a 11 point win vs Pepperdine? Pepperdine hasn’t beaten a D1 team yet either.
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Maryland looked pretty bad losing to Georgetown at home. Didn’t lose to a cupcake, but looked pretty pitiful.
Pikiel historically also takes the approach of letting the weakest offensive player on the floor beat you, so it would make sense that he let a walk on get hot from 3.
Nah, lets keep em on there all the same as a reminder that they went to halftime up 37-34 on American’s conference mate Colgate and ultimately only beat them by 11. There’s hope for us after all!
That’s a stretch. Dylan Grant is looking like a very good player. Francis is also turning out to be a gem.
Yes - I did. You seem to have forgotten the context of my comment which was simply to demonstrate that failure to “dominate” lesser competition by 20+ MOV game in and out doesn’t necessarily correlate with how team’s will match up with better competition. If it did, there would be a lot more teams than just Rutgers who should be sweating.
Pretty sure he has like the 2nd highest assist % on the team behind JMike.
Last season we watched a RU team that got manhandled by Kennesaw St and Princeton with two 18 yr old lottery picks. It literally looked like men versus boys. The current team overall is young but we can see grit and effort. I look forward to seeing a player like Buchanan banging against high level talent in Vegas and in BIG play. A little tunnel vision at times but that dude plays hard. He’s going to attract attention driving to the paint to find open shooters outside the three or at worst get some big men in foul trouble.
Outside of two players that left for the NBA there’s no other player that left that I’d want on this current team [and that includes Lathan].
Not saying let’s get out the brackets to check our potential seeding. All I’m saying is this team is playing hard and Pike is coaching a team. Not individual egos.
Let’s see what happens.
GO RU
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I don’t understand how giving a realistic analysis of the team that you don’t like means I need to grow up. To me, I’ve seen nothing from Buchanan that remotely indicates he will be an impactful big ten player. He can’t shoot from the outside and he’s not going to bully himself to the hoop in conference. I also commented that Badalau was very promising right after he shot 1/12 in the opener. You can check the post.
I’m in my seat every game and give a lot of time and money to the program. As you mentioned yourself, I’ve been reasonable and balanced. I think I still am but just saying the reality you and others may not have accepted.
I don't imagine many posters have any issues with your opinions or your support for the team. They are certainly reasonable. The question is how much more reasonable are they than anybody else's?
The possible problem, as I see it, is that you are positive your opinion is right, and any opposing opinions are wrong - just like we always see from Bac.
I don't know what the odds are that you are on the money, but I suspect they are somewhat below 100%.
We are supposed to be learning from each other's opinions, not lecturing people about why their opinion must be wrong.
IMO your comments come across in that manner.
You are certainly welcome to see it differently.
I didn’t think I was lecturing but I will self reflect. Wasn’t trying to be a jerk. Just very disappointed with the current roster & trajectory of the program.
Dylan Grant would NOT play at Kansas and may be in 2 years be a bench Power 4 player. The rest of our team is mid major at best. We have played no one and looked bad doing it!
The 2 best players on the court tonight played for CC:
The real games are coming .
Pike is done. We just have to suffer for a few Months
Don’t agree Zrno is better than Hays. Based on what? Hays actually played ok vs the mid majors.
and your analysis is irrelevant.
we just aren’t that good.
we struggled against 3 of the 4 awful teams we faced to go 4-0. This loss isn’t surprising since Ccsu is the best if the mid majors we’ve faced.
and your analysis is irrelevant.
we just aren’t that good.
we struggled against 3 of the 4 awful teams we faced to go 4-0. This loss isn’t surprising since Ccsu is the best if the mid majors we’ve faced.
We’ll see. It’s early in the season still.
Neither of these statements are going to turn out true at the end of the season
to me Grant is the ONLY player who would crack a 8 man rotation on most big 10 teams
You were. The problem with bad teams is you have to bite your tongue around homer-ism until reality speaks for you. The only thing you did wrong was be correct too early like a majority of fans that saw this train wreck from 50 miles away
Craziest part is I’m a scarlet colored glasses wearing homer myself! I just also unfortunately have eyes and have watched a lot of basketball.
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