Well don't think you your addressed his point. But let me help you both DS and FB lost yesterday;however, FB has beaten 3 top 25 teams in his short career and DS has beaten one in his short career. GS has beaten 4 in 16 years but none in GS 2.0
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He's not good at directly addressing points.
And Flood did not have interim staffs. And Ash was by no means a "splashy" hire. No way shape or form was he splashy. That's revisionist history.
Also think we need to pump the brakes on "beating ranked teams." It's meaningless, particularly when another teams beats a ranked team early in the season, when the team winds up unranked. While Pitt and Ga Tech were ranked last year, they ended up with pretty bad 7-6 seasons in the ACC.
Not going to go back and check Greg's record, but by that standard, he may have beaten only one team that was ranked at the end of the season.
Too many people flailing at reasons to prop up or shoot down our own coach and staff with crappy facts and narratives. Its' getting to be worse than politics.
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My take:
Greg , both times, was what was needed to leave the ghetto and move into the nice residential area, but he isn't the one to move Rutgers into the high rent district.
I thank Schiano ror what he has done, but wil complain about what I feel he's incapable of accomplishing and wouldn't mind if he;s replaced by someone that is considered the type of HC that can make a molehill into a mountain .
But I won't support the usual hire on the cheap and hope for the best when hiring Schiano's replacement
Also feel because of the length of his contract , Greg will be HC until the end of the 2028 season and the constant whining about him will go on for 3 more years
I’m in agreement that Greg was a perfect hire both times. But, I am not sure he can take the next step- I was hoping he could but…
And for the Fran Brown, Prime lovers- neither would have done a damn thing here, including rescue us from Ash.
MiG we replaced Greg, either of those guys would be a disaster. So would anyone who has been mentioned for Rutgers over the past few searches.
And for the Fran Brown, Prime lovers- neither would have done a damn thing here, including rescue us from Ash.
MiG we replaced Greg, either of those guys would be a disaster. So would anyone who has been mentioned for Rutgers over the past few searches.
Crazy when State Penn lose it coaching when UCLA wins its NIL, same game
i wanted GS 1.0 but dint want him 2.0. Why bring someone back with a 6 - 7 game ceiling when that isn't our goal. Think we need a young media friendly offensive coach. No one over 45, we are less then 30 min from the Big Apple but our coach doesn't excite the NY media. Some may say that isn't a coach job but I disagree in today world I think it is and will go a long to motivate the alumni base. If is around for another 5 year what are your expectation of where will be in 2030
love all this infighting, however, you are losing sight of the reason for the thread..
penn state LOST to a team that was 0-4
penn state LOST to a team that was 0-4
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Assuming that 78-80% clause of the remainder of the contract still exists in the extension, I wouldn’t be certain beyond next year if this year ends up being below .500 in conference and next year does too.
If he were to finish above .500 in conference this year or next then I think he’ll be fine but if both years were to fall below I wouldn’t be so sure. How many coaches have lasted with 7 consecutive years below .500 in conference. Honestly, I don’t know the answer but I’m guessing not many, if any.
I don’t really know but I feel like 20M seems to be a sort of demarcation for a lot of schools for paying buyouts. Only Malzahn just above 20M and Fisher at 70M broke that threshold ever. I have seen some in the mid to high teens.
After next year, I think GS’ would be around 18M if that 78-80% clause still remains. With a sports loving president from LSU and an AD also from LSU, I wouldn’t assume total job security without some decent performance.
PSU actually went all in this year. They used a lot of resources to bring most of the team back. They also took Knowles from OSU as DC and made him the highest paid assistant in CFB at 3M/yr.Crazy when State Penn lose it coaching when UCLA wins its NIL, same game
i wanted GS 1.0 but dint want him 2.0. Why bring someone back with a 6 - 7 game ceiling when that isn't our goal. Think we need a young media friendly offensive coach. No one over 45, we are less then 30 min from the Big Apple but our coach doesn't excite the NY media. Some may say that isn't a coach job but I disagree in today world I think it is and will go a long to motivate the alumni base. If is around for another 5 year what are your expectation of where will be in 2030
All in and all those resources and through 6 weeks….2 losses, out of the top 25, no P4 wins and one of the most inexcusable losses not seen in 40 years and like 3 times ever and CFP hopes on life support
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A quick google produced this:
>Under Greg Schiano's contract extension signed in December 2023, Rutgers' buyout clause is
76.875% of his total remaining annual base salary if the university fires him without cause. The buyout is subject to offset by any salary he earns from subsequent employment.
Context for the buyout
- Term of contract: Schiano's extension runs through the 2030 season.
- Illustrative buyout value: A 2025 news report provided an estimate of what the buyout would be at a specific time, stating that Rutgers would owe him $22,485,938 if they terminated his contract after the 2025-26 season.
- Offsetting salary: The final buyout amount could be less than the calculated percentage if Schiano is hired by another team before his contract expires. <
But I'd go with after 2028 with buyout a little under $10 MIL would be more likely , if Greg hasn't make RU big time by then
I doubt Greg would look for another job until his buyout money stops coming in so there would be no reduction in buyout unless Greg and RU negotiated a lump sum payout
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Once done with Rutgers , I feel, Schiano's HC career will be over and instead of taking a DC position he might look into a broadcasting career
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This is sort of the problem with Greg...KC has worked out for the most part with the offense. 2nd half play calling is a bit suspect though. But I think that is the "comfort zone" of a OC that knows Greg's tendencies too well. Smith as DC- leads the question- why couldn't he get anyone else to come work for him?
I do think that for RU to find themselves a game/win like UCLA did this weekend, we do have to play a lot looser for 60 minutes. Not for 30 minutes and then shut it down. In the B1G we have a top half QB, one of the top RB's, and 2 WR's that are near the top in the nation. And our defense has been horrible.
Greg needs to take the model to pull a huge upset and just tell the kids to go out there and play street ball and have fun.
Now- as for UCLA - my gut tells me that the fall back to earth pretty quickly after this huge win.
And dammit- if we had a defense and ST's this year, we would have a real shot at PSU ourselves...
You could probably address this, but message board fodder during Flood's first year was the players were playing more loose and having fun than the previous year. A problem with Flood was he let things get too loose. There is a happy medium.
I don’t think it was necessarily the players “playing” loose. It was the oversight of the program became “loose”. The locker room was a mess under Flood. Schiano had rapport with the local law enforcement and they would let him know if there was anything bubbling up. You would think that Flood, the son and brother of NYPD would have made this a priority. I know and knew many local cops in and around New Brunswick. He pretty much ended this relationship. And this lead to his downfall.
That would have taken time away from Counting Crows comcerts
Here is the thing - The loose lockerroom didn't happen overnight.
Flood was actually a disciplinarian as the OC and the "too friendly with players" was more because he was not the "dick" Greg 1.0 was. So, year one- Flood goes from OL coach to HC overnight. Then the guy who hired him is canned(and who would have helped him work his way into this new role). He is replaced by an unqualified hire who came from a school that needed to have a sign in the lockerroom to treat women right, don't carry guns, etc...She hates Flood and wants him gone. Gives him no support and would do almost anything to make sure he fails.
Flood started with a good recruiting season and a good year- There was no money, support, an OC who was there only to sabotage him, etc. Bad season and an AD that bad mouthed him everywhere killed his recruiting as well as him even caring. He brought in kids he never would have even considered previously (who fit more of a L'Ville" mode - and he then got lazy and just did what they now call a "quiet quit". Even the whole Princeton thing was the brainchild of the AD. He just followed along like a dufus that wanted his next check.
I actually think if given a new chance as a HC somewhere with support, he would do very well.
I heard on a pod that BB (you know the acronym now lol) was taking some heat for going to Nantucket with the gf during UNC’s bye week.
Absolutely. He was in way over his head. And didn’t know how to be the CeO versus middle manager. As you said his supporting cast and so called “leaders” never had his back or best interest. Never understood Ron Prince. Not a hire I would have made. Felt bad for the guy. He lost me with the “Club Ice” crap.
Bret Bielema has a girlfriend in addition to his hot wife? Never thought a guy that large would be such a player.
Disclaimer, pics from 2012, but the point stands:
OP himself insisted that donors are waiting for a splashy coach. Happy to provide the quote if needed.
Yes...and? Which of our players are getting anywhere in that realm? That is the comparison OP was making. Not with Tennessee or elsewhere.
In terms of our debt and financials, who are we going to be able to hire?
Really? Do tell. Why would that ever work out for him? He left to be the Delaware HC after 1 year, and then he got Ron Prince.
He did something no one has done in 40 years. But somehow that's on GS. OK.
How many of those were ranked at the season's end?
I ask because I was told ours against USF and Pitt did not count for that reason.
Norries Wilson was the coach when we played them in 2015, when Flood was suspended. What teams did we play during that period? What was Wilson's title.
Ash was coming off literally being the DC of the national champion.
Again, I'm only responding to the crazed arguments of people who have been making them going back to 1.0.
This.
People want him fired? Great. Line up the resources.
Instead the names these people put out make GS look like Saban and that's on top of the big donors not ponying up.
If the "big donors" have a proven p4 coach ready they have my total support.
Media and message board windbags who don't want to recognize the school's financials clamoring to hire Fran Brown or Deion Sanders or Leapin Leipold whoever should be treated like the joke they are.
And how do you know how much we're paying our players. I have no idea and I'm guessing you don't either. You're just making assumptions. QBs are the ones who usually make the most on the roster and incentives can also bring numbers up so if it's anyone it'll be AK. But no one knows.
Someone here posted from Grok that we're spending 10M in NIL this year. I have no clue if that's right or not. But with revenue sharing any number up to the cap is possible for any school if they can find it in their AD budget.
As far as hiring coaches, there are always qualified candidates in any given year but it's always a crap shoot no matter who you hire....big hot name of the moment or more under the radar name, same for the amount of money you spend...massive salary or not.
OK- so you really believe we are spending more or the same as say, top half of the conference?
We can spend up to the caps if the money is found in the AD budget.
This year I'd expect (educated guess based on historical support) the bigger names like PSU (they went all in this year bringing everyone back and making Knowles the highest paid CFB assistant at 3m/yr), OSU, Michigan, Nebraska, Oregon, USC are probably at the caps from revenue sharing and have 3rd party NIL front loaded before having to prove legitimacy that started this past summer.
Everyone else, I'd say unknown to if and how much they might have above revenue sharing from the school.
Guess you never heard, "money talks"Bret Bielema has a girlfriend in addition to his hot wife? Never thought a guy that large would be such a player.
They should count if the team was ranked in the top 25 when the game was played.
He has beaten, #3 Lville in 2006, #2 USF in 2007, #17 Pitt in 2008 and # 23 USF in 2009.
She's hung with him, and they are still married with kids. He actually seems like a decent guy in his interviews, and with the money, he must be OK to live with.
Prince is the guy I was referring to- my bad.
Dude was brought in for all the wrong reasons and intentions. What went on with Julie behind and in front of Floods face was disgraceful
Maybe Flood wasn’t ready but if anyone other then that disgrace was the AD, including Tim, Flood would have been let go early or supported in tge right way and the story of tge last decade would have been much better.
You know what was concerning- not a damn single player(even walkons) followed Ash to Rutgers..,