Schiano is washed. Who should replace him?

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Maryland? :LOL:
I remember reading here all the time UA founder Kevin Plank was bankrolling them now never see him mentioned much because they haven’t been so good. Mind you UA has been having issues lol. Booster names are thrown out only when a school is doing well but really most of the time no one has a clue if and how much or for what they are giving.

Don’t see the late Boone Pickens mentioned here much either now that Ok St is doing lousy.

VT going to be spending more but it’s coming from the school it looks like. As I said the biggest thing for most schools is the revenue sharing piece.

 
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I'll come back snd read the other 75% of a what you wrote later but the first 25%: was perfectly said. Imto.
no problem, I understand why most read only part of my opinions when I put them in a long drawn out manner.
Being of Irish heritage I tend to make a novel out of what should be a short story :LOL:
 

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I really wish you morons who think greg isnt a great coach and a perfect fit would just shut up and leave

I really wish you morons who think greg isnt a great coach and a perfect fit would just shut up and leave
Greg was a great fit for what Rutgers needed to become a respectable program from one that was even worse than a bottom feeder.
But I feel Schiano doesn't have what it takes to make the program an elite one and Rutgers needs to think about hiring someone that could by the time Greg's contract expires if Rutgers remains a middle of pack one that constantly loses to top 25 programs..
G2 was a hire of convenience, in my opinion,Hobbs didn't realty want him but thew better ones didn't want Rutgers with what they were offered to come.
Schiano wanted the job and really didn't have other options, but he had to fight to get close to the support he needed from Hobbs to turn the program into a respectable one from the trash heap it was.
I fully expect the same BS hiring process that happened when G1 left when Schiano if is replaced before his contract is up.
Low ball offers that quality candidates turn their noses up on and a gamble is hired that will have the most of the RU fan-base remembering Greg fondly ( except for the die hard true Rutgers fans that dislike him because Greg didn't make RU as great as they thought it should be)

Short version posted by T2Kplus20

Two things are true:

1. GS was needed to erase the embarrassment of the Ash Error, which he did, and we should be thankful to him.
2. There needs to be something more than this, but we all know in our hearts that GS isn't capable of taking the next step.

So, now what?
 
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IDK. But it would probably be interesting to go back to this board last year after the UCLA game for answers...
The Defense and our Special Teams is a shell of what is was last season after the UCLA game.. we shall see. Not to mention the apparent low level of DC’s.
 

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Schiano got Rutgers back to Point B.

But, wow, he got outcoached badly by a semi-retired Ferentz.

Who can get Rutgers to Point C?
What did you mean by "washed."?

From Merriam Webster:
wash
adjective
1 : involving essentially simultaneous purchase and sale of the same security
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Urban Dictionary:

washed

What one feels the day after getting completely stoned. One feels tired, lazy, and even the slightest movement requires immense effort due to the amount of tiredness. Some feel recurrences of their high when they're washed.
 

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What did you mean by "washed."?

From Merriam Webster:
wash
adjective
1 : involving essentially simultaneous purchase and sale of the same security
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Urban Dictionary:

washed

What one feels the day after getting completely stoned. One feels tired, lazy, and even the slightest movement requires immense effort due to the amount of tiredness. Some feel recurrences of their high when they're washed.
The latter. Greg hasn’t been the same since pot became legal in Jersey

Smoke Weed GIF
 

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The latter. Greg hasn’t been the same since pot became legal in Jersey

Smoke Weed GIF
I initially figured "washed" had some obscure meeting, but in a moment of boredom, I looked it up.

Friday was very deflating, second most deflating loss of the 2.0 era.
Greg can redeem himself by getting 2 wins against Washington and Illinois, or 6 wins and a win against one of Penn State or Oregon, the latter being a tall order.

Ash had a look about him like he needed to be stoned, but that's in a different context.

 
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The first thing every coach interviewing for the job is going to want to know how much NIL money is available every year & with what is available at RU they will walk out on the interview
Oh really? Please share what you know.
 

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Oh really? Please share what you know.
This found in a google search doesn't really answer your question but shows the type of gunfs Rutgers gas tro work with compared to the rest of conference
NIL collectives became a factor in college sports as they performed a function that schools were prohibited from doing themselves. However, with revenue sharing, schools can directly compensate athletes up to $ 20.5 million annually, and the reliance on collectives will be significantly reduced going forward. Schools are facing steep new financial obligations, and most will be looking to redirect booster contributions currently going to collectives, back to the schools to help pay for revenue sharing and increased scholarship commitments.


Big Ten Conference Schools 2023-24:​


School2023
Conf
2024
Conf
Collective
Funding *
Total
Support
Ticket SalesContributions
Illinois Big TenBig Ten $ 9,311,667 56,656,994 15,693,517 40,963,477
Indiana Big TenBig Ten $ 13,631,160 82,939,020 21,278,997 61,660,023
IowaBig TenBig Ten $ 9,698,730 59,012,087 26,416,829 32,595,258
MarylandBig TenBig Ten $ 3,735,112 22,726,352 12,735,792 9,990,560
MichiganBig TenBig Ten $ 16,357,054 99,524,766 55,266,135 44,258,631
Michigan State Big TenBig Ten $ 13,035,471 79,314,544 25,178,673 54,135,871
MinnesotaBig TenBig Ten $ 7,171,424 43,634,648 19,252,536 24,382,112
NebraskaBig TenBig Ten $ 7,973,918 48,517,435 38,946,701 9,570,734
Northwestern Big TenBig Tenn/an/an/an/a
Ohio State Big TenBig Ten $ 20,253,400 123,232,149 59,649,921 63,582,228
Oregon **Pac-12Big Ten $ 10,623,807 64,640,729 24,357,945 40,282,784
Penn State Big TenBig Ten $ 13,793,489 83,926,716 44,678,657 39,248,059
Purdue Big TenBig Ten $ 5,510,579 33,529,207 16,617,614 16,911,593
Rutgers Big TenBig Ten $ 3,624,816 22,055,252 13,049,333 9,005,919
Southern Cal **Pac-12Big Tenn/an/an/an/a
UCLA **Pac-12Big Ten $ 5,919,423 36,016,831 17,494,361 18,522,470
Washington **Pac-12Big Ten $ 9,406,794 57,235,798 29,198,790 28,037,008
WisconsinBig TenBig Ten $ 8,982,406 54,653,602 38,117,093 16,536,509
 

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The lack of a good defense this year is shocking this far into 2.0. The real eye opener is the lack of special teams plays on kickoffs and punt returns. 1.0 was all about big time returns. All the fair catches just kill the opportunity for momentum shifts.
 
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The lack of a good defense this year is shocking this far into 2.0. The real eye opener is the lack of special teams plays on kickoffs and punt returns. 1.0 was all about big time returns. All the fair catches just kill the opportunity for momentum shifts.
FWIW, the special teams embarrassment dates further back. The fair catch ‘strategy’ in totality may be even more egregious than the Illinois fiasco, also a special teams failure.
 
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I remember reading here all the time UA founder Kevin Plank was bankrolling them now never see him mentioned much because they haven’t been so good. Mind you UA has been having issues lol. Booster names are thrown out only when a school is doing well but really most of the time no one has a clue if and how much or for what they are giving.

Don’t see the late Boone Pickens mentioned here much either now that Ok St is doing lousy.

VT going to be spending more but it’s coming from the school it looks like. As I said the biggest thing for most schools is the revenue sharing piece.


Here are some excerpts from an Athletic article mentioning what I've said about TT trying to shoot their shot during this short period of dislocation between unlimited (not having to be legitimate and verified) NIL and revenue sharing cap with school led NIL. I've read others that say similar things.

Cody Campbell comes off as a rabid fan just like some you'd find on this board. He just happened to hit it big in oil and is a billionaire lol. He's not the only one but he's spearheading it. So they have this window of probably 2-3 years (unless there's a reversal/lawsuit) with front loaded deals to try and dominate the B12 get to the playoffs and see how deep they can go.

But even this free spender knows that when this period of dislocation ends, the revenue sharing piece is the biggest piece not outside legitimate NIL....save for some handful of players, nothing can compete to what comes from revenue sharing with the school.

From the article:

Cody came in and said, in a professional way, that we had an open checkbook,” Blanchard recalls. “Telling that to a personnel guy is like telling a 6-year-old, ‘Here’s my platinum credit card, go get whatever you want.’”

When the winter transfer portal window opened in December, Blanchard, who runs Tech’s personnel operation, channeled his inner Richie Rich, running up a colossal tab. When the dust settled, Texas Tech spent more than $12 million — or almost as much revenue as some Power 4 programs will share with their entire roster — on 21 transfers. The total roster budget for the 2025 Texas Tech football team? Roughly $25 million, Blanchard said, which surpasses the $20 million the Buckeyes spent en route to last season’s national title.

It was part of Texas Tech’s athletic department-wide effort to capitalize on the final months of unlimited NIL spending before capped revenue sharing kicked in. And spend the Red Raiders did, raising $55 million to utilize on player compensation via NIL and revenue sharing across its 17 sports for the 2025-26 athletic season, according to Campbell. Of that, roughly $35 million was paid out before July 1, when the cap — roughly $20.5 million, a result of the House v. NCAA settlement — officially took effect.

Heading into the 2023-24 offseason, Texas Tech had only $1 million in NIL money to allocate to transfers, Blanchard said — roughly the amount it takes to get a Power 4 starting quarterback now. That meant Texas Tech couldn’t get into bidding wars for top-tier talent. “I needed to be really diligent and make sure I’m not wasting (Campbell’s) money,” Blanchard said.

Tech paid multiple transfers over $1 million, according to sources familiar with the negotiations, granted anonymity to discuss financial decisions schools are not compelled to publicly disclose. Many who didn’t reach that threshold are getting compensated in the high six figures. Personnel staffers at schools who competed for some of Tech’s transfers have remarked that the Red Raiders have gone well above “market value” to obtain players.

As for its roughly $20.5 million revenue sharing pool, 74 percent, or roughly $15.1 million, will be allocated to football. Another 17-18 percent, or around $3.5 to $3.7 million, is to go to men’s basketball, 2 percent to women’s basketball, 1.9 percent to baseball and the rest to Tech’s remaining sports. Campbell vows Texas Tech will pay up to the cap and work hard to get as much third-party NIL as possible but said it’s unlikely to see those numbers skyrocket nationally.

Except for a very few marquee national players, there isn’t a whole lot there on the (true NIL) front,” he said. “There is some. But it doesn’t compare to the amount that is being paid out through revenue share.”



 
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People trot out Cuban and he's an alum and athletic supporter but do we know how much he's donated to help their NIL. We know what Phil Knight does at Oregon, who knows how big a supporter Cuban is. Maybe big, maybe not I don't know. Again it's just another assumption because he's billionaire booster but it's an unknown.

I'll give you an example. Mel Tucker got that crazy 10yr 95M dollar contract from MSU and 2 billionaire boosters funded it. Everyone was thinking oh they must've paid the whole thing or majority of it. It was like 14M of the 95M even though it was backed by 2 billionaires. 14M is nothing to sneeze at and a ton of money for sure but not anywhere the initial assumptions of what people thought they funded and that's the point I make. MSU also had an booster NIL a couple years ago that was backed by a billionaire that had to be disbanded because it didn't end up paying player the promised amounts. So we have no clue of who is paying what or how much.

Two different things IMO. Cuban used NIL to buy a team. Knight has done decades of investment into things like facilities.

Both have different effects, at least short term, I think we're seeing.
 
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I remember reading here all the time UA founder Kevin Plank was bankrolling them now never see him mentioned much because they haven’t been so good. Mind you UA has been having issues lol. Booster names are thrown out only when a school is doing well but really most of the time no one has a clue if and how much or for what they are giving.

Don’t see the late Boone Pickens mentioned here much either now that Ok St is doing lousy.

VT going to be spending more but it’s coming from the school it looks like. As I said the biggest thing for most schools is the revenue sharing piece.



Maryland is a great example of NIL not being a cureall. I don't think anyone is saying that, at least I am not. But it definitely is the biggest factor in the B1G.

In the case of Locksley, thought he'd be an ace recruiter in the DMV, and I think they have talent, but they forget he was run out of town at...New Mexico, lol.

OTOH, IU hired one of the best coaches in the p5, and got NIL backed by one of he richest men in America.
 

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The Defense and our Special Teams is a shell of what is was last season after the UCLA game.. we shall see. Not to mention the apparent low level of DC’s.

I would say the defense is better than versus UCLA, UCLA was a bad team, the defense was not nearly as bad as it was vs UCLA or Wisky last year as it was versus Iowa and managed to come up versus Ohio which is probably a better team than UCLA.

Re: specials, we did block 2 punts versus Norfolk, I think we need to give it another game, could be a yips issue.
 

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Two different things IMO. Cuban used NIL to buy a team. Knight has done decades of investment into things like facilities.

Both have different effects, at least short term, I think we're seeing.
I don't even know how much Knight is doling out for NIL but you know it because you see it all over Oregon athletics in so many ways, it's not hidden. Fervent support like this is seen easily, like what I posted about TT also.

Cuban and other billionaire alums spending on NIL are just assumptions people make but really have no idea in most instances. @kupuna133 mentioned above that Cuban really doesn't plan to support NIL on a level like that, just only setting up an exchange to help athletes get legitimate NIL deals. I took his word for it and just now did a quick look up and yea he invested in a start up called Campus Ink and an article from Jan 2024 says it distributed 1M in NIL to athletes, not just IU athletes mind you. So I see nothing besides assumptions that Cuban bought a team for IU. No one has any idea if or how much money he might have put into NIL at IU.
 
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Maryland is a great example of NIL not being a cureall. I don't think anyone is saying that, at least I am not. But it definitely is the biggest factor in the B1G.

In the case of Locksley, thought he'd be an ace recruiter in the DMV, and I think they have talent, but they forget he was run out of town at...New Mexico, lol.

OTOH, IU hired one of the best coaches in the p5, and got NIL backed by one of he richest men in America.
Again another assumption. Plank is a founder of UA and has donated money in the past so he must be bankrolling NIL for Maryland. Quick look up and it doesn't sounds like they're rolling it reading this below. Also have seen articles about Willard complaining about lack of NIL before he left. I did see Maryland is raising their NIL support for basketball this year and I'm sure that's in part do the revenue sharing allowed now.

Before revenue sharing, does this sound like a school swimming in it with Plank's UA money? Again it's assumption, rich billionaire alum so he must be funding big bucks but really we don't know. Sometimes yes, sometimes no...we don't know.

From CBS sports article:

"I own the fact that I lost my locker room," Locksley said during an interview with ESPN. "And this is Coach Locks, the locker room king, telling you this landscape, I had to choose between paying young players who were coming in or reward the older players that have been through the fire, three bowl wins, and I tried to do both with limited resources. And that's what you get: a locker room with the haves and have-nots."

Tagovailoa had a $1.5 million offer on the table from an SEC program looking to poach Maryland's top returning player.

Ultimately, Maryland convinced Tagovailoa to stay with a six-figure deal short of the $1.5 million offer elsewhere. (btw this is an example of not always the highest offer getting said player)
 
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Again another assumption. Plank is a founder of UA and has donated money in the past so he must be bankrolling NIL for Maryland. Quick look up and it doesn't sounds like they're rolling it reading this below. Also have seen articles about Willard complaining about lack of NIL before he left. I did see Maryland is raising their NIL support for basketball this year and I'm sure that's in part do the revenue sharing allowed now.

Before revenue sharing, does this sound like a school swimming in it with Plank's UA money? Again it's assumption, rich billionaire alum so he must be funding big bucks but really we don't know. Sometimes yes, sometimes no...we don't know.

From CBS sports article:

"I own the fact that I lost my locker room," Locksley said during an interview with ESPN. "And this is Coach Locks, the locker room king, telling you this landscape, I had to choose between paying young players who were coming in or reward the older players that have been through the fire, three bowl wins, and I tried to do both with limited resources. And that's what you get: a locker room with the haves and have-nots."

Tagovailoa had a $1.5 million offer on the table from an SEC program looking to poach Maryland's top returning player.

Ultimately, Maryland convinced Tagovailoa to stay with a six-figure deal short of the $1.5 million offer elsewhere. (btw this is an example of not always the highest offer getting said player)
Ha ha, there's already talk about who's going to steal Malik Washington next year. Maryland football is on the poor side with regard to NIL. They lost a lot to graduation after last season, but also, several starters on both sides of the ball were plucked by richer programs.

https://247sports.com/college/maryl...d-prompting-a-predictable-question-254383770/

Willard had his own agenda (trying not to look like a weasel when taking a job at a higher level program) when he complained about NIL and support for the program. He was able to sign Queen, retain Reese, load up on several good transfers, and go to the Sweet Sixteen. Poor Kevin...
 
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I brought up Bielema, and you are conflating one game against a new juggernaut (Indiana) with Bielema's record at Illinois:
Year 1, beat Penn State (how many years has it been for RU?), beat a ranked Minnesota that would up 9-4; year 2-a winning record in conference, year 3- beat 3 ranked teams including Michigan and #15 ranked South Carolina to end the season ranked #16. Illinois was awful when Bielema took over. When was Greg's last signature win against a strong team?

So what you are saying is because you think RU will never get donors (we do have a new AD who knows a few things about NIL having worked at LSU), we should stay mired in mediocrity?

Louisville in 2006. He’s been milking that for 20 years.

I would say the defense is better than versus UCLA, UCLA was a bad team, the defense was not nearly as bad as it was vs UCLA or Wisky last year as it was versus Iowa and managed to come up versus Ohio which is probably a better team than UCLA.

Re: specials, we did block 2 punts versus Norfolk, I think we need to give it another game, could be a yips issue.
Piscataway HS could block 2 punts vs. Norfolk St. Like you said let’s wait until Saturday to see if the ST is a liability this season.
 
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I would say the defense is better than versus UCLA, UCLA was a bad team, the defense was not nearly as bad as it was vs UCLA or Wisky last year as it was versus Iowa and managed to come up versus Ohio which is probably a better team than UCLA.

Re: specials, we did block 2 punts versus Norfolk, I think we need to give it another game, could be a yips issue.
Those two teams last year had more skill position talent on O than Iowa does. This performance was worse without question, but not unexpected.
 

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start over with a coach that’s a winner..

look at usf. Look at Indiana. A rebuild shouldn’t take 7 years.
Lets look at those teams over the next few years
See if said teams sustain any success shown now
 

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Lets look at those teams over the next few years
See if said teams sustain any success shown now
Many of us will have given up or perhaps be dead by then.
16 seasons. One season with double digit wins. Zero conference championships. Four seasons with a winning record in conference.
The 2026 is a relatively easy schedule. Toughest teams on schedule are Penn State, Indiana, Michigan and USC. No Ohio State or Oregon. Is 9 or 10 wins too much to ask for in year 7?
 

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Lets look at those teams over the next few years
See if said teams sustain any success shown now

Me personally…I’d rather have one great year if it means losing that success in years following..rather than just squeaking into bowls each year.
 
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Many of us will have given up or perhaps be dead by then.
16 seasons. One season with double digit wins. Zero conference championships. Four seasons with a winning record in conference.
The 2026 is a relatively easy schedule. Toughest teams on schedule are Penn State, Indiana, Michigan and USC. No Ohio State or Oregon. Is 9 or 10 wins too much to ask for in year 7?
His contract expires in 2030, don't expect change if double digits or beating the best occasional doesn't happen by 2029.
Rutgers hasn't shown the willingness to buy out contracts until they are about to expire.
Greg will keep this program a middle of the B1G pack, when he was G1 he had RU a real good BE program that never quite made it to the top and by the time he left had many detractors.
Now that he turned mush into a fairly solid material ( for second time) so many good RU fans are signing "tired of waiting" and feel the waiting will never end with Schiano running the program.
I feel the same , but want to give him 3 more years (after 2028 is done) before saying he needs to hit the road.
The reason I feel that way is I fear RU won't spend what t takes to bring in someone that can make RU top program and the funds will never be there to pay the price it takes to be an elite program
 

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The reason I feel that way is I fear RU won't spend what t takes to bring in someone that can make RU top program and the funds will never be there to pay the price it takes to be an elite program
This ☝️ is where I'm at with thoughts to Schiano and replacing him. Part of it, admittedly, because we saw when Schiano left after his 1st term as HC. I think many fear the same would happen again. Maybe the new AD gets things together and can fund the hiring of a big-named/experienced (read: expensive) coach.
 
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Many of us will have given up or perhaps be dead by then.
16 seasons. One season with double digit wins. Zero conference championships. Four seasons with a winning record in conference.
The 2026 is a relatively easy schedule. Toughest teams on schedule are Penn State, Indiana, Michigan and USC. No Ohio State or Oregon. Is 9 or 10 wins too much to ask for in year 7?
You know the answer. Of course it’s too much to ask for in Year 7. Due to Ash, the Battle of Little Big Horn and the Edison & Tesla AC/DC competition among a long list of valid excuses, twenty five years seems like a fair rebuild window. No excuses for under .500 in conference after that.
 
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This ☝️ is where I'm at with thoughts to Schiano and replacing him. Part of it, admittedly, because we saw when Schiano left after his 1st term as HC. I think many fear the same would happen again. Maybe the new AD gets things together and can fund the hiring of a big-named/experienced (read: expensive) coach.
She trained at lsu…they have experience with big time hiring…
 

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Me personally…I’d rather have one great year if it means losing that success in years following..rather than just squeaking into bowls each year.
I can understand that
But
I would not heap A ton of praise on these other coaches either, at this point
 

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She trained at lsu…they have experience with big time hiring…
with big time booster paying for the hires and buyouts of failures .
I hope she can bring that type of financing to Rutgers
Rutgers is in an area that should be able to find deep pocket boosters, but so fan not one AD has found where they are hiding.
Hopefully Keli Zinn can use her LSU experience to bring in the type of boosters that will put up the bucks needed to
make Rutgers into a playoff caliber program
 

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My view and then I will go away again. Schiano coaches a process. Follow the process, do your job, and wins will follow. That's not how football works. He had no ability to adjust tactics with any intelligence if he hasn't prepared for it. The team plays tight and when things go wrong we can't adjust. I've seen it time and time again under GS. He is a really good coach for a team that aspires to go .500. That's his ceiling.
 

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I can understand that
But
I would not heap A ton of praise on these other coaches either, at this point

Praise or not - those coaches have done more already than Schiano 2.0 has. And that’s what’s frustrating to me - and has been for a while. Whether or not they “sustain” success…they’ve gotten program changing wins, top 25 wins, top 25 rankings, etc.
 

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Many of us will have given up or perhaps be dead by then.
16 seasons. One season with double digit wins. Zero conference championships. Four seasons with a winning record in conference.
The 2026 is a relatively easy schedule. Toughest teams on schedule are Penn State, Indiana, Michigan and USC. No Ohio State or Oregon. Is 9 or 10 wins too much to ask for in year 7?
Yes asking too much. Unless there is a substantial influx of talent on D and the D staff 5 wins next season might be the ceiling.
 

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The lack of a good defense this year is shocking this far into 2.0. The real eye opener is the lack of special teams plays on kickoffs and punt returns. 1.0 was all about big time returns. All the fair catches just kill the opportunity for momentum shifts.
Agree 100%. We have potentially a great return man in Black but we'll never know. Enough with the fair catches already.
 
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I’m not even going to bother to read the 5 pages worth of this.

It was a crummy loss that literally came down to one play - that 3rd down penalty on Bo was a game losing penalty that didn’t impact the play at all.

Despite giving up a kick off return. Despite not getting many PI calls throughout the game on clear holds. Despite a gut wrenching false start on a 32 yard FG attempt right up the gut. Despite a domino onset of injuries. Despite all that. It would’ve been 4th down with 7:44 to go and Iowa punting with us on top 28-24.

After that penalty - we just weren’t resilient enough to recover and we fell apart. Period. You could pick apart every play and come up with things Greg could’ve done differently but it is all Monday night quarterbacking. The coaching put us in the position to win this game. We made some sloppy mistakes that cost us the game. End of story.
 

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It was a terrible situation no doubt but there are a lot of bad situations around CFB where coaches are able to get good results but you have to be aware what's going on out there and realize what's possible and happening around you.

I've said before Kansas was as bad a situation as you'll find, a bunch of issues. Kansas averaged like less than 2 wins for a decade and was still dealing with scholarship imbalance issues dating back to Weis (not an issue now with the portal now) when Leipold got hired and they've made a couple bowls and finished 1 year ranked.

Tom Allen was 3-24 in conference the last 3 years of his tenure, Ash was 3-26 in conference when he was fired and we've seen what Cignetti was able to do at the losingest program in the FBS or P4 I forget. Even Allen was able to get ranked and would have made a 12 team playoff in the covid year.

Lovie was 10-33 in conference before Bielema and he's had an 8 win year, a 10 win year and finished ranked and currently in the top 10 (although I think they're a little overanked but we'll see today)

Matt Campbell has done a bunch of things at ISU that have never been done before there.

There are other examples of varying degrees across CFB. It doesn't mean they'll be fixtures in the spotlight but anyone can have their moments. None of these guys were sure things, there really aren't any sure things not named Saban or Meyer. It's always a crap shoot but you have to be willing to roll the dice. Maybe you get an Ash level horrible or someone subpar and if so you try again, it's always possible to recover as you see with these examples. On the other side maybe you get someone who can lift you to places you haven't been in a long time or ever. You have to be willing to try though.

GS' contract was extended and I think he'll do well enough to be around for awhile and we'll see what happens but I'm not big on the woe is me we're RU we can't achieve anything, it's impossible here etc.. I look around CFB and see a lot of things are possible, especially in this new landscape where people complain a lot about portal or NIL but don't actually see what's happening around CFB.
Last season was Schiano's chance to do something special. 10-2 was there to be had.
 

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A view from the outside: a non-Rutgers fan's perspective

Greg Schiano is a great program CEO.
Twice, the guy took over a Rutgers program that was flat on its back and made it respectable. The first time, it was a program with no infrastructure. He got it built, carefully instructing Banquet Circuit Bob Mulcahy, a career politico who was just there to cash a check and earn a pension, how it was done. He elevated Mulcahy in the process and made Rutgers relevant, peaking in late 2006. The second time, the infrastructure was in place and Rutgers was in in the Big Ten, but bottom-feeding as a result of the catastrophic hire of Chris Ash, the worst football coach I've seen in 45 years of watching this sport closely.

Getting from the bottom to middling is much easier than getting from middling to very good, and getting to great is even harder. This is why there are only a handful of programs that are really capable of winning national championships. Think of Penn State. They should be able to win one: They have the infrastructure, the fan base, the institutional support, the recruiting base and ability. But they just can't land the plane. It's almost impossible. But they win 10 or 11 games every year, which is, to be blunt, out of Rutgers' reach if it keeps on repeating its cycle.

Greg Schiano has a lengthy record by which to judge him, and also by which to predict the future. He's not in his sixth year at Rutgers; he's in his eleventh, albeit nonconsecutive. It's easy to say that the program regressed in his absence, which is as obvious as can be. But where was it headed had he never left? His trajectory was downward when he left Rutgers in 2012. After the program's high point, the 2006 win against Louisville, Schiano's Rutgers teams were just 17-21 in the Big East. So where were they headed? Forget the nonconference record; the guy has always scheduled as softly as a program can. Even its power conference games out of conference have always been against low- to mid-teir teams like North Carolina, Michigan State (when it was OoC), Kansas, and Arkansas. I'm lookng at his record in conference, which allows us to view a standard against other teams in the league.

"NIL" was not a factor in his mediocre conference performance the first time, so it's hard to make an absolute case for it now. I'm aware that his "NIL" (which I put in quotation marks since it isn't actually NIL, but that's a story for another day) suppoort from Rutgers is not top their but there are plenty of coaches getting it done without that kind of support. His performance in 2.0 is lagging a bit behind his pace in1.0, but he's also a different guy in a different environment. Yes, the Big Ten is tougher than the (underrated) Big East was twenty years ago, but it's all relative; he's competing against other programs in the same league with the same theoretical advantages. He's not able to sell Rutgers in the same way he did 20 or 25 years ago. He's not a flashy new kid anymore, but a grizzled veteran. This is accentuated by his adherence to old-school, conservative football. He also can't paint Rutgers as the only place he'd ever want to be. That was dashed when he left the first time, and then squeezed them for everything he could to return, even when it was clearly his only option if he ever wanted to be a head coach again.

Greg Schiano has been the primary (perhaps the only?) beneficiary of Rutgers' inability to hire another head fotball coach who was even mildly competent. It is from this that the narrative emerges that "only he can get it done here." That is a laughable notion. Look who you're comparing him to. I would not hire Chris Ash to coach a P.A.L. team. Kyle Flood also lacked the gravitas and intelligence to succeed in that role. Looking way back, Doug Graber was a pretty good head coach, but there was no infrastructure nor institutional around him at all, yet he still produced some pretty interesting and competitive teams. Even when Schiano was hired in 2000, look at the clowns Mulcahy preferred to hire first: Gary Darnell, Glen Mason (a decent coach, but wouldn't have had the youth or energy to build them up from a 1-AA program masquerading as a Big East team into what it became). Schiano pretty much fell into his lap, and he was, no doubt, the right guy for the job. Had he left after 2006, Rutgers would've had a chance to make a good hire (which is different than actually making one), and it would've been interesting to see what would've happened. Instead, his late departure in 2012 forced them to hire from within, and a program already sliding down accelerated its descent, then compounded it with the Ash hire, setting Schiano up to be a conquering hero again. But now that the look of a professional program is back in place, Rutgers is right back where it was 15 years ago: unable to gain any traction as it tries to climb from middling to good/very good.

Competitors from all over hopes Greg Schiano coaches Rutgers forever.
Why wouldn't they? Thery can look at the long perspective and understand, based on the record, that as long as he is there, they will never really be a threat in the standings or on the recruiting trail. That leaves New Jersey and the rest of Rutgers' natural footprint available to be picked clean by the top programs. As far as the actual games on the field go, they understand that Rutgers under Schiano will never go down easily, but they remain eminently beatable. What these opposing coaches fear most is Rutgers being in the position to make a strong hire who will actually give the program a chance to take that next step up the ladder, which they simply do not fear as long as he is there.

Greg Schiano probably will be there forever. Or, at least until his buyout becomes tenable. The president and the AD can talk about LSU and championship culture all they want, but there is simply no way they will force a $25 million buyout (or whatever it is). That isn't happening. And by the time 2030 rolls around, with the continued shift in the landscape of the sport, will it be too late? That is right before the time most insiders believe the next big move is 28 or 32 or however many of the sport's biggest brands break off to create their own confederation to negotiate media rights, shaking off the programs from their leagues that simply don't bring value or strengthen their football brand.
 
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