Schiano is washed. Who should replace him?
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I didn't even go past the first page and it is a bunch of the same ole same ole posters- mostly the Cuse guy.
GS has been outcoached many times- Seems like he would prefer a different OSU coach who was named Ash. lol So- let's look at what you posted. Greg was hired by UM - they made a HC change and it happened to be the co-coordinator with Greg, who has also been a HC in college and the NFL. He accepted the Rutgers job and Day got the OSU job- that is far from being fired.
And I am not even a super GS fan. But yesrutgers knows an idiot when yesrutgers sees a Cuse fan.
To be fair we was passed over for the HC job at OSU after posting the worse statistical defense in OSU history. One that had Bosa and Chase Young on it.
He was then let go by Day and was able to save face by agreeing to a “ mutual separation “.
Then hired/fired by Tennessee for his involvement in the largest child molestation / sex abuse in collegiate sports history.
Then he came limping to RU because no one wanted him.
I like GS but he’s not the answer. He can never beat a team he’s not supposed to beat (and definitely not in the B1G).
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Shelby will disagree with Division one point. Tennessee didn’t fire him before Day1 due to Sandusky fueled outrage. That was the expressed sentiment because it got better traction but the real reason was because the fan base knew he simply wasn‘t a good coach.
Our fans and donors failed to recognize that. So unless all the top programs leave, 3-4 conference wins will be the ceiling. The dream schedule last year that had some clueless analysts predicting a sleeper playoff run later showed them too that he‘s overmatched and consistently outcoached.
He should never have been hired here the second time. Barely more football IQ than a goalpost. Even the first hire was a questionable decision; Miami was loaded so the success wasnt rooted in coaching caliber. And being from NJ he was a popular choice, just like the second time. One might argue the first time it worked out, but only because the best teams left the conference allowing him to finish only as high as third. Compare that to FBS newcomer UConn.
Shelby will disagree with Division one point. Tennessee didn’t fire him before Day1 due to Sandusky fueled outrage. That was the expressed sentiment because it got better traction but the real reason was because the fan base knew he simply wasn‘t a good coach.
Our fans and donors failed to recognize that. So unless all the top programs leave, 3-4 conference wins will be the ceiling. The dream schedule last year that had some clueless analysts predicting a sleeper playoff run later showed them too that he‘s overmatched and consistently outcoached.
A sub 500 coach isn't a great coach, no
matter how you feel about him
Pike needs to be reassessed before Schiano. Schiano ain't going anywhere anytime soon.
Schianos plays not to lose instead of playing to win...if that makes sense to you...maybe he would make different decisions with different talent at his disposal but things like his reasoning for not returning punts or kickoffs, just running the clock out instead of trying to score another td before half time.. at least he's letting kaliakmanis let it fly this year so that's a sign that he will adjust based on the available talent..but idk if that's a hard decision when you have what looks like the best functional group of receivers in the conference. Two big bodied, strong handed possession types and speed guys like Sheffield and Black. But I'd like to see schianos be more aggressive in his coaching style..like I don't think schianos could have a game like Indiana played against Illinois.. he probably goes up 28-7 and starts running the ball every play and Illinois would get back into the game. Or a win like Syracuse over Clemson, he's not an aggressive coach.. He's a safe coach which will keep you above 500 and in at least the pinstripe bowl
So before you are ready to send him packing just know you'd have to find a coach that can make it happen at Rutgers..It's not as hard as some make it seem, especially being in the B1G but it's also not easy as we remember the ash era..some people just like to keep things the way they are because it gives them a sense of comfort. But sometimes that comfort zone is actually what's holding you back..change is uncomfortable, if you want change, prepare to be uncomfortable..
Two things are true:
1. GS was needed to erase the embarrassment of the Ash Error, which he did, and we should be thankful to him.
2. There needs to be something more than this, but we all know in our hearts that GS isn't capable of taking the next step.
So, now what?
1. GS was needed to erase the embarrassment of the Ash Error, which he did, and we should be thankful to him.
2. There needs to be something more than this, but we all know in our hearts that GS isn't capable of taking the next step.
So, now what?
Either we are content with a HC who is a very poor on the field Coach and settle for an upside of 6 -7 wins annually ( as long as 3 cupcake Out of Conference games are on the schedule) or start off new .
It's tricky, since starting off new risks another Ash-level debacle. RU leadership has never shown to be capable of finding the right HC to make us a legit top-25 program.
Iowa is getting that same distro plus the NIL on top. Now I don't know that talent was the difference here necessarily but certainly within conference it is an issue. Really the rest comparing to Leipold etc is all the distro tell us.
IDK. But it would probably be interesting to go back to this board last year after the UCLA game for answers...
In hindsight, kind of amazing that Tennessee actually wanted to hire him and assumed their ultra-rabid fan base would be pleased.…and he probably thought he stood a chance to be the Tennessee coach…the best thing that happened to him was the fan base revolting to spare him from an embarrassing firing one year out… Although he would’ve probably pocketed some decent cash
Not calling for anyone’s head. But do you really think that is what would happen? **** Ash was able to attract boosters and donations at a rate higher than anyone in recent memory. Ash got a weight room/locker room rebuild and funding for the practice field. And that guy was one of the few people I have met that turned me off from the second I had the pleasure of meeting his acquaintance. Guy was a grade A toolbox with zero personality.
I don't know how much extra outside of the school NIL Iowa is paying, do you? Everyone just assumes every school is paying a ton of money left and right but no idea if it's true or not. The places that do usually have things written about them, the ones that don't are probably just 1 among many.
Many coaches, especially lower status P4 programs, have comments about how revenue sharing will help. They know money coming from the schools is better and more reliable and raises the floor rather than booster led NIL which isn't as big in those type of schools. Plus now outside NIL has to be verified as legitimate so it's somewhat harder to skirt that even though I'm sure some will.
Take it this way. Say school A was paying 4M and school B paying 1M before revenue sharing and schools being able to pay players. Now both schools can also pay 13M in revenue sharing money (made easier by being in the B10 or SEC). Keep numbers fixed (assuming the outside the school NIL can pass the legitimacy test) and now school A pays 17M and school B pays 14M. It's the same 3M gap but in practice, that's much a much narrower gap because when that floor is raised it makes a big difference in still being able to go out and get or keep players even if you have few million less. It's also easier to compete against schools in other conferences looking for players because it's easier to meet that 13-15M threshold because of the 10s of millions extra in conference distribution from the B10 and SEC.
I'll give you a school though that's making waves this year because they paid bunch of NIL. Texas Tech. They're reportedly paying their roster 25-28M backed by a former player billionaire oil guy Cody Campbell. I was like how about the cap. Then I read they front loaded a lot the deals before the cap took effect this year. So I guess they're taking their shot in these next couple years to try and make the playoffs or more with those front loaded deals. It's hard for other B12 schools to compete with that as opposed to SEC and B10 schools. They whipped Utah yesterday physically, I was shocked, It ain't the old TT that could put up points but not so physical. At the same time, throwing money alone isn't enough, you still have to put the pieces together correctly and make it go.
I read an article about how they were preparing and ready to hit the portal and like 80% of the scouting they do is useless and doesn't bear fruit but 15-20% is very useful and if you can hit it right, it can turn into something big. So money is always helpful but it's not enough on its own. Not everyone is doing this though or can do it (most can't) and once all these front loaded type of deals go by the wayside then it will be harder to circumvent the cap without legitimate NIL from outside sources. That is unless someone sues which you know can always happen lol.
I don't know the specifics at Iowa. What I do know is that for example at IU, Mark Cuban came in with a ton of money and basically bought the entire Old Dominion squad. And we saw yesterday- I mean I think we'd all agree Illinois historically, they're not USC or something but I do remember them being in the Rose Bowl- and now it looks like Indiana passed them.
I think our fans forget this. I think they also miss outside B1G/SEC how weak some of the schedules are, and how this year it's not really all that impressive to beat Clemson or Florida. Now, maybe Illinois is crap and we beat them too, not sure. But my overall point about NIL is probably best illustrated by an Indiana- for what our fans want you need very serious money and commitment, and we don't have that.
I think what we do have is respectable to be sure- some schools aren't in the NIL game at all, and we are in there. But we're not Cuban level or close. And our fans have to remember- but won't- even then, there's no guarantees. We bought 2 top 5 players in MBB and had a losing season.
Last season was brutal but Pike was relying on freshmen.
Schiano has a much bigger budget & has always struggled on game day.
Now nothing, you hope for the best lol. I still think the next 2 games are winnable if the offense can keep performing at the same level. Illinois looks vulnerable too, so who knows.
It's likely too costly. I mentioned in the game thread, everyone wants to Fire Fickell but it would cost Wisconsin 25M to do so. As a point of reference that would be the 2nd highest buyout after Fisher at 70M. Malzahn was paid 21M at Auburn when got fired. The AD already came out in support of Fickell, I'm guessing in part because of the finances...unless he gets the boot too lol. This craze of long term big number mostly guaranteed stupid contracts will keep many coaches around. The only saving grace would be most of the time these numbers would be amortized over the life of the contract and offset by future employment but that's still millions out annually in dead money at a time when schools need money to pay players.
GS would cost in the 20M-30M range too so that's not happening.
People trot out Cuban and he's an alum and athletic supporter but do we know how much he's donated to help their NIL. We know what Phil Knight does at Oregon, who knows how big a supporter Cuban is. Maybe big, maybe not I don't know. Again it's just another assumption because he's billionaire booster but it's an unknown.
I'll give you an example. Mel Tucker got that crazy 10yr 95M dollar contract from MSU and 2 billionaire boosters funded it. Everyone was thinking oh they must've paid the whole thing or majority of it. It was like 14M of the 95M even though it was backed by 2 billionaires. 14M is nothing to sneeze at and a ton of money for sure but not anywhere the initial assumptions of what people thought they funded and that's the point I make. MSU also had an booster NIL a couple years ago that was backed by a billionaire that had to be disbanded because it didn't end up paying player the promised amounts. So we have no clue of who is paying what or how much.
Yeah, and then what happened? We became the laughing stock of the entirety of big ten. Because a) people only invested in him because of his OSU background. And b) once he showed his true colors, recruiting and coaching dried up. Then people stopped spending money on his program.
It's not popular to say around here, but nobody competes without donors and recruits regardless of the coaching staff. You can bring Nick Saban to Rutgers as HC and I promise you we will still underperform.
Even just the other day, someone mentioned having Beilema before Schiano 2.0. And guess what, Indiana blew out Illinois 63-10.
Do you know why Indiana blew out Illinois to the moon? Because of the mass funding that put them on levels with similarly funded teams like Penn State and Oregon.
Until RU gets more funding, we will never be elite. And I for one, am grateful that at least we're not embarrassing ourselves like we did under Ash and can finally play decent football with Schiano leading the team.
Wasn’t the point. You said everyone would pull away donors boosters talent etc….
The issue at the time of the Ash hire was our leadership sucked from top to bottom. There wasn’t a massive talent loss. There wasn’t a lack of fundraising. It was actually the opposite in regards to fundraising. Our AD sucked, our president sucked and the coaching hire sucked. Then the inept leadership doubled down and extended the moron. We finally have leadership that is aligned.
Our president and AD are aligned. Only one other time was the president and ad aligned. And our football team went on a run. We are in a much better spot financially than ever. Schiano doesn’t have to be the only option and our new leadership knows that. Again not calling for his head. But he is not the messiah.
Amen!
When I read a player received say a $500,000 NIL package, I never see whether that is for one year, four years, guaranteed, performance-based, all cash, in-kind - or is the money actually being paid because often it is not.
The contracts rarely become public. When they do, nobody seems to notice. I notice, and it is amusing to watch self-styled experts confidently report information that clashes with what is in the contract the athlete signed and the "expert" never bothered to read.
A strong indicator of a low information person is one who confidently states NIL figures as if these numbers are indisputable, verifiable facts.
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Yea Cuban has been on record where he will not fund NIL to the levels other mega donors may. He openly said he would help with setting up an NIL marketplace to help Indiana athletes to sell merchandise and other things attached to their NIL. But he would not be involved with buying players outright.
Booster led NIL was very bad for transparency…a lot of lies or half truths…and occasional reality.
I was hoping school led NIL and paying players would be more transparent but not so much….maybe slightly a little more verifiable though.
I’m more likely to believe something reported by mainstream CFB media that might do a little digging than just anybody on the internet.
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Thank you, I’ll take your word for it but that’s not the same as what the TT oil guy is doing and what many insinuate here about IU or any school, especially lower status ones, that might be having some success.
Schools using their revenue sharing money wisely imo is the biggest thing for most lower status schools to have some success. B10 and SEC schools have a little bit of a leg up because of the rev distribution difference compared to other conferences.
Exactly. There was an analysis of the largest NIL deal to date Spencer Rattler and he received less than 10% of the reported numbers. Most of the deals are in kind endorsements and not cash based income. He received the use of multiple vehicles on a one year lease. Lease value $50k but they reported the cars valued at over 1/2 million. The use of a house valued rent of $60k etc… And when he left the school he returned all “leased” items and had to vacate the premises.
They might be but at least I’ve seen that reported by mainstream CFB reporters as estimates. I’m more likely to believe that kind of account as opposed to other things put out there randomly on the internet by unreliable sources.
TT is front loading the deals to get around the cap but eventually that wears out too (like super seniors from covid) and the cap on schools and legitimate outside NIL are all that’s allowed….until someone sues that is lol.
Wait 3-5 years and see how many of these kids are left with little to no options professionally and saddled with extreme debt because of the “lifestyle” they think they are entitled. Also wait to see how many people didn’t pay the proper taxes etc.. government always finds a way to get their money. And they may go after “reported” versus actual because all of this grey market activity.
I brought up Bielema, and you are conflating one game against a new juggernaut (Indiana) with Bielema's record at Illinois:
Year 1, beat Penn State (how many years has it been for RU?), beat a ranked Minnesota that would up 9-4; year 2-a winning record in conference, year 3- beat 3 ranked teams including Michigan and #15 ranked South Carolina to end the season ranked #16. Illinois was awful when Bielema took over. When was Greg's last signature win against a strong team?
So what you are saying is because you think RU will never get donors (we do have a new AD who knows a few things about NIL having worked at LSU), we should stay mired in mediocrity?
Indiana, Maryland, Illinois, Syracuse , were terrible a few years ago. Look at them now and compare their progress to Rutgers .
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