Gronowski getting Heat from the local media

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t.Gronowski's success at the FCS level has nothing to do with his current condition and ability to succeed at the Big Ten level. We pushed aside two QBs Brendan Sullivan and Jackson Stratton who played well for us last season. Kirk has said he doesn't want to go to the portal next spring and have the QBs in the program compete. Day late and a million $$$ short on that one Kirk.
As you know, Albany is no where near Big10 level. Not sure they're even top of FCS level where Gronk played.
 
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A common thread that runs through Iowa's OB play is the fear of the interception. It constrains the QB. I'm not saying that is all that Gronowski battled on Saturday, but no turnovers is absolutely drilled into their heads. And that can cause any throw to be tentative. The risk free pass is paramount at Iowa. Squeezing a ball into a space, creating a 50/50 play for the WR is verboten for the most part. That is Commandment No. 1 for Kirk. Until he's willing to allow those "risks" to occur, I think QB play at Iowa will never be beyond nuts and bolts level of competence. A corollary to that is it puts a lot of pressure on the WRs to be wide open or they likely won't see the ball.
 

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That last throw tells me it’s in there, he just has to shake off rust. Id just prefer that happen this week instead of weeks from now.
watch Gennings Dunker to the end on Xavier WIlliams short TD run. About the 7:28 mark in the 2nd quarter
 

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MG said in an interview that's online he was looking to get paid to pay for his surgery because his parents insurance did not cover it. No surprise of his intent or injury.
This doesn't smell right. Surely, .....the parents and/or the school would make sure their 'star' player had enough coverage for any 'football' injury up to or above the $90,000 deductible the NCAA has. This kid was thinking of playing in the NFL. He won TWO National titles. He showed high level skills and results. Most high level players have policies to cover even 'proposed' paydays.

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A common thread that runs through Iowa's OB play is the fear of the interception. It constrains the QB. I'm not saying that is all that Gronowski battled on Saturday, but no turnovers is absolutely drilled into their heads. And that can cause any throw to be tentative. The risk free pass is paramount at Iowa. Squeezing a ball into a space, creating a 50/50 play for the WR is verboten for the most part. That is Commandment No. 1 for Kirk. Until he's willing to allow those "risks" to occur, I think QB play at Iowa will never be beyond nuts and bolts level of competence. A corollary to that is it puts a lot of pressure on the WRs to be wide open or they likely won't see the ball.
This may be true and I don’t doubt that it is, but at the same time Kirk RARELY sits his starting QB, no matter how many mistakes he makes.

Some of Kirk’s best QB’s were risk takers….Tate, Beathard, Stanzi. We need more guys like them.
 

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This may be true and I don’t doubt that it is, but at the same time Kirk RARELY sits his starting QB, no matter how many mistakes he makes.

Some of Kirk’s best QB’s were risk takers….Tate, Beathard, Stanzi. We need more guys like them.
Agree I'd like to see more of guys like this. If memory serves, some of Iowa's best seasons were with these guys at QB. Coincidence or correlation?
 

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I’ll give you one guess why it’s so hard for Iowa.

It’s been over FIVE seasons (11/23/2019) since Iowa had a QB throw for over 300 yards in a single game. Your average aged kindergartener has not witnessed it in their lifetime. Six starting QB’s ago.
Oh my......
 
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This may be true and I don’t doubt that it is, but at the same time Kirk RARELY sits his starting QB, no matter how many mistakes he makes.

Some of Kirk’s best QB’s were risk takers….Tate, Beathard, Stanzi. We need more guys like them.
Notice a pattern? When guys weren't afraid to make the plays they thrived. Tate and Beathard clearly were tough-minded and aggressive. Ricky had that short memory you need with mistakes, he just went right back to work. Kirk coaches it out of other guys, with the "don't make a mistake" mantra.
 

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I’ll give you one guess why it’s so hard for Iowa.

It’s been over FIVE seasons (11/23/2019) since Iowa had a QB throw for over 300 yards in a single game. Your average aged kindergartener has not witnessed it in their lifetime. Six starting QB’s ago.
Connect that to recruiting. No current high school player has seen Iowa throw for 300 yards since 2019. No wonder our QB recruiting is for sh**. How do you sell a kid on playing for your offense when that's the history?
 

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This doesn't smell right. Surely, .....the parents and/or the school would make sure their 'star' player had enough coverage for any 'football' injury up to or above the $90,000 deductible the NCAA has. This kid was thinking of playing in the NFL. He won TWO National titles. He showed high level skills and results. Most high level players have policies to cover even 'proposed' paydays.

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NCAA legislation requires all institutions to certify that student-athletes have coverage for medical expenses incurred from athletically related injuries within the NCAA Catastrophic Injury Insurance Policy deductible. Assuming all institutions are in compliance with the regulation, the NCAA catastrophic program deductible will be covered by the student-athletes’ or parents’ personal insurance coverage, through a basic accident medical policy maintained by the institution, or through an institution’s formal self-insurance plan.

During NCAA championships, the NCAA provides supplemental insurance of up to $90,000 in medical expenses for student-athletes who are injured. Once that level is met, the NCAA Catastrophic Injury Insurance Policy activates.
What happens when you are not in an institution and in the portal waiting to sign with a school and want to get your surgery soon so you make the start of the season?

What about scheduling appts for trays, therapy and prep work for surgery? Is there co-pay and a deductible?

Why would MG go on record saying that if you think it smells?
 
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Campbell is not going to f around. He's going to attack our secondary. He'll be the anti-Kirk. It's not gonna be pretty
You might be right about what he does but let's not pretend that Kirk didn't beat the crap out of Campbell for like, 8 years in a row or whatever it was.
 

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You might be right about what he does but let's not pretend that Kirk didn't beat the crap out of Campbell for like, 8 years in a row or whatever it was.
You'd have to pretend because it wasn't close to 8 years in a row. He beat Campbell 5 years in a row. The only real "beat the crap out of" was the first year which was 42-3. Campbell is now 2 of 3 (neither of which would have happened with a competent Iowa offense) likely to be 3 of 4. The trend has shifted.

I tend to agree with some that KFz should have retired several years ago. He's going to stay too long and it's going to get ugly
 

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You'd have to pretend because it wasn't close to 8 years in a row. He beat Campbell 5 years in a row. The only real "beat the crap out of" was the first year which was 42-3. Campbell is now 2 of 3 (neither of which would have happened with a competent Iowa offense) likely to be 3 of 4. The trend has shifted.

I tend to agree with some that KFz should have retired several years ago. He's going to stay too long and it's going to get ugly
Sure, sure, sure. I mean, I wasn't challenging you about the state of where things are now but you can at least accept that Iowa State got 5 L's in a row. That's getting your *** kicked, it doesn't matter what the games looked like. But I get it, I'm not going to get hung up on the past here as this season is the one that matters. If it makes you feel any better if Iowa State loses it will be a significant upset.
 
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Sure, sure, sure. I mean, I wasn't challenging you about the state of where things are now but you can at least accept that Iowa State got 5 L's in a row. That's getting your *** kicked, it doesn't matter what the games looked like. But I get it, I'm not going to get hung up on the past here as this season is the one that matters. If it makes you feel any better if Iowa State loses it will be a significant upset.
and we'd all love that! That said, I think the point spread is crazy. Has to be lot of $$ pouring in on ISU.
 

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Connect that to recruiting. No current high school player has seen Iowa throw for 300 yards since 2019. No wonder our QB recruiting is for sh**. How do you sell a kid on playing for your offense when that's the history?
I had hope that eliminating Brian would help to mitigate some of that bad history that had been established. A new OC with better production should make that sale easier. Unfortunately the new OC hasn't made a difference with respect to the passing numbers so far. We can argue about the reasons why, but the passing game has still been a dumpster fire since he arrived.
 
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I had hope that eliminating Brian would help to mitigate some of that bad history that had been established. A new OC with better production should make that sale easier. Unfortunately the new OC hasn't made a difference with respect to the passing numbers so far. We can argue about the reasons why, but the passing game has still been a dumpster fire since he arrived.
Rather than find a solid OC, KFz promoted his kid to set him up as next HC. It has permanently damaged the program. Good luck persuading any young QB recruit that Iowa is a place where they can excel.
 

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You might be right about what he does but let's not pretend that Kirk didn't beat the crap out of Campbell for like, 8 years in a row or whatever it was.
It was 6 in a row and we only truly beat them down one of those games. That's old news, though...

...ISU has taken 2 of the last 3.

EDIT: Sorry, I just saw someone else replied to you with essentially the same info.
 
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Connect that to recruiting. No current high school player has seen Iowa throw for 300 yards since 2019. No wonder our QB recruiting is for sh**. How do you sell a kid on playing for your offense when that's the history?
Add to that the recent strategy of going for broke with QBs from the portal. What kind of message does that send to promising young high school QBs? We have a screwed up situation any way you slice it.

I have written on the basketball board that Ben has the right approach wanting to develop talent from within. Kirk has used the portal just to supplement at other positions. Even if Kirk changes the focus to recruiting high school QBs the kids he recruits will very likely end up playing under a new coaching staff.
 

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Rather than find a solid OC, KFz promoted his kid to set him up as next HC. It has permanently damaged the program. Good luck persuading any young QB recruit that Iowa is a place where they can excel.
It shouldn't be permanent, but Kirk isn't helping things with these portal acquisitions. Besides, recruiting QB's isn't really a viable option for Iowa today. It has to be the portal.
 

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It shouldn't be permanent, but Kirk isn't helping things with these portal acquisitions. Besides, recruiting QB's isn't really a viable option for Iowa today. It has to be the portal.
Kirk isn't helping things with these portal acquisitions, but it has to be the portal. Huh?
 

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It shouldn't be permanent, but Kirk isn't helping things with these portal acquisitions. Besides, recruiting QB's isn't really a viable option for Iowa today. It has to be the portal.
Kirk built this program as a developmental program. He has an OC with a reputation for developing good QBs. Don't really see why we should look at the portal as the only viable option.
 

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That last throw tells me it’s in there, he just has to shake off rust. Id just prefer that happen this week instead of weeks from now.

This. That highlight gives a glimmer of hope.

Need to remember that things aren't USUALLY as bad or as good as they seem.

The passing game overall was sh*t on Saturday, but let's try to see that as one game and not heap years of bad QB play on Mark. He didn't have those YEARS of bad play. He'll bounce back in a big way
 

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and we'd all love that! That said, I think the point spread is crazy. Has to be lot of $$ pouring in on ISU.
I haven't seen the spread for it. Honestly since Iowa has all the earmarks of a 6-6 to 8-4 team this year I just haven't spent a lot of energy reading up on them. I figure if they start to show me something on Saturdays I can catch up later. I liked their running game and the offensive line looked really good. But we'll see if that's a real thing this week.
 

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Kirk isn't helping things with these portal acquisitions, but it has to be the portal. Huh?

Kirk built this program as a developmental program. He has an OC with a reputation for developing good QBs. Don't really see why we should look at the portal as the only viable option.
The problem today is that it is very difficult if not impossible to recruit a highly talented QB or WR to Iowa because of the recent history with that position and the Iowa offense. It just isn't happening and the cupboard was bare. The portal and NIL are taylor made for picking up a ready to go talented QB from another program who is stuck behind someone or is looking for a payday that their current program can't provide. That's what Kirk and company have tried to do, but Kirk has for whatever reason rolled the dice twice now on QB's who were successful at one time but came with injuries requiring surgery. I think the program would benefit from him extricating himself from the QB acquisition process altogether, but I just don't see that happening.
 

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The problem today is that it is very difficult if not impossible to recruit a highly talented QB or WR to Iowa because of the recent history with that position and the Iowa offense. It just isn't happening and the cupboard was bare. The portal and NIL are taylor made for picking up a ready to go talented QB from another program who is stuck behind someone or is looking for a payday that their current program can't provide. That's what Kirk and company have tried to do, but Kirk has for whatever reason rolled the dice twice now on QB's who were successful at one time but came with injuries requiring surgery. I think the program would benefit from him extricating himself from the QB acquisition process altogether, but I just don't see that happening.
Don't think we have to bring in highly rated kids. That never seemed realistic even before the portal.

Like your thoughts at the end. Kirk simply doesn't understand the QB position or the player acquisition process. I see no way out of the bind we have ourselves in short of Kirk retiring at the end of the season.
 

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I haven't seen the spread for it. Honestly since Iowa has all the earmarks of a 6-6 to 8-4 team this year I just haven't spent a lot of energy reading up on them. I figure if they start to show me something on Saturdays I can catch up later. I liked their running game and the offensive line looked really good. But we'll see if that's a real thing this week.
Did you have this stance before or after game 1 vs Albany?

Explain if you wouldn't mind.