OT: Prayers in Minneapolis

CUFam98

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Ask the liberal experts on this board, they seem to have the solution.
That really isn't productive. There are plenty of conservative Christian dads that snap and kill their families.

2 kids dead shot from outside a church by a trans liberal isn't any more or less dead than 2 kids drowned in the tub by their mom, or 2 kids shot at a party by someone in their social circle who stole daddys gun to look tough.
 
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Yuthgi

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If you'd bothered to actually read what I posted, it's posted in plain text on the study.

[1] Public mass shootings are incidents in a public or populated location involving at least some victims who were targeted at random and/or for their symbolic value. Public attacks exclude a family or felony mass shooting, as well as incidents involving state-sponsored violence, battles over sovereignty, or organized terrorism. While these other attacks are equally tragic to public incidents, they are inherently different forms of the phenomenon.

[2] Completed mass shootings are incidents involving four or more victim fatalities. Large-scale global examinations often use the completed criteria to avoid missing cases, which can skew comparisons across countries.

[3] The number of public mass shootings in each of these countries between 2000 and 2022 included 21 in Russia, 9 in Yemen, 8 in the Philippines, and 8 in Uganda.

[4] These comparative countries similar to the United States are drawn from the United Nations’ criteria for “developed countries.”

[5] After the three incidents in Finland, the Finnish government issued new firearm guidelines for handguns and revolvers, which were the primary firearms during these attacks. Applicants for handgun licenses must now be active gun club members and vetted by their doctor and law enforcement.

[6] This data excludes the January 2015 and November 2015 shootings in France, which were perpetrated by organized terrorist groups.

[7] The term “assault weapons” commonly refers to semiautomatic or automatic firearms.
Out at Finland, a flea on an elephant's ***.
Assault weapon includes my semi auto 9mm? Yeah, ok.
Automatic weapons are already banned in the US.

This (and other reasons ) is why I wouldn't bother to read the crap you link.
 
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shortbus22

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No it isn't. You don't like our opinions on firearms and are lashing out
No sir. That's the problem. I never identified any group that I was speaking about. You assumed I was talking about you because the shoe fit.

I am lashing out at a society where people can get on the net and find people who agree with them, no matter what they believe. Then, they feel vindicated and right. It's no different for these "shooters" or for you "libs" or for the "trumpers".

Children died today from a horrible tragedy. You are not on a forum that can change a single gun law today. Maybe this isn't the time or place for that nonsense.
 

GDead_Tiger

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No sir. That's the problem. I never identified any group that I was speaking about. You assumed I was talking about you because the shoe fit.

I am lashing out at a society where people can get on the net and find people who agree with them, no matter what they believe. Then, they feel vindicated and right. It's no different for these "shooters" or for you "libs" or for the "trumpers".

Children died today from a horrible tragedy. You are not on a forum that can change a single gun law today. Maybe this isn't the time or place for that nonsense.
You're circle jerking with the people who don't want to change anything either then. We are talking about what we think should happen to stop stuff like this from happening. Yeah we can't change a single gun law. We also can't change squat about Clemson football yet all of us on here pay $100/year to say what we think should happen.
 

SlipDrip

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Issue is that neither side understands tolerance. You can be a conservative and not throw a temper tantrum because bud light made a can for a trans person. Just like you can be a liberal and not throw a tantrum because American eagle used a pretty blonde in an add.

In today’s world tolerance means tolerating only people that think and act exactly as you.

I love the differences of my friends, even if we don’t always agree. Doesn’t matter if it’s my gay friend that only wears crop tops and smuggling moose knuckles or it’s my conservative friend that we shoot beavers with ARs on his property.

worlds a lot better place when you’re truly tolerant of people. Celebrate differences.
 

CUFam98

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I'm more concerned about how we solve the mental health crisis in this country. The political temperature is way too hot but there's no putting the toothpaste back in the tube with social media and the internet. Same with guns, IMO.

We've had opportunity after opportunity to make real progress and our society doesn't care. We'll be real mad about it today and then after a few weeks, business as usual. Then it'll happen again somewhere else. Rinse and repeat.

One thing that seems to be clear is the good old USA is the only place this kind of thing happens. And we've done nothing about it. We should all be ashamed that let it continue.
Correct. We've gotten completely away from "mental institutions" in the country for lots of reasons. They are hard places to be in, run and pay for. We don't need the creepy facilities we had in the 50s, 60s and 70s, but some people need highly intensive residential/long term inpatient care. We don't have a vehicle to do that.

And as society was phasing out the institutions we were pushing to normalize people back into society with counseling and drugs. That rubber band has snapped. The fact is, there are just some people that don't have the mental skills to manage society now. Its a hard thing to see and live through when the brain is what is broken. Its one of the largest factors in our homeless problem now too.
 

shortbus22

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You're circle jerking with the people who don't want to change anything either then. We are talking about what we think should happen to stop stuff like this from happening. Yeah we can't change a single gun law. We also can't change squat about Clemson football yet all of us on here pay $100/year to say what we think should happen.
I'm not circle jerking with anyone, but I have to have a "side", right?

I don't claim to know the answers. But I know children died today. And I guarantee their parents don't give a **** what laws you want passed. You have no respect.

The fact that tboon is backing you up here tells me all I need to know. He's a great video maker and a terrible human being.
 
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Yuthgi

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That really isn't productive. There are plenty of conservative Christian dads that snap and kill their families.

2 kids dead shot from outside a church by a trans liberal isn't any more or less dead than 2 kids drowned in the tub by their mom, or 2 kids shot at a party by someone in their social circle who stole daddys gun to look tough.
The point is there is no simple solution, there may not be a complicated solution in a diverse country of 330M people whose founding documents and ethos is based on personal freedom above nearly everything else.
But some in this country believe in the very simple solution of "take all the guns away."
 

TheValley91

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No sir. That's the problem. I never identified any group that I was speaking about. You assumed I was talking about you because the shoe fit.

I am lashing out at a society where people can get on the net and find people who agree with them, no matter what they believe. Then, they feel vindicated and right. It's no different for these "shooters" or for you "libs" or for the "trumpers".

Children died today from a horrible tragedy. You are not on a forum that can change a single gun law today. Maybe this isn't the time or place for that nonsense.
When and where is the appropriate time/place to talk about this?
 

Clemson Goat

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Another person with mental health issues.
Is this a failure of red flag laws..
 
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GDead_Tiger

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Issue is that neither side understands tolerance. You can be a conservative and not throw a temper tantrum because bud light made a can for a trans person. Just like you can be a liberal and not throw a tantrum because American eagle used a pretty blonde in an add.

In today’s world tolerance means tolerating only people that think and act exactly as you.

I love the differences of my friends, even if we don’t always agree. Doesn’t matter if it’s my gay friend that only wears crop tops and smuggling moose knuckles or it’s my conservative friend that we shoot beavers with ARs on his property.

worlds a lot better place when you’re truly tolerant of people. Celebrate differences.
I think that is pretty spot on brother
 

Kelbo

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America is having crisis
Fanaticism knows all sides. One thing is for certain, those kids in church weren’t fanatics.

Info coming out most definitely show the shooter was. Very clear which side of the spectrum.
 
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GDead_Tiger

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I'm not circle jerking with anyone, but I have to have a "side", right?

I don't claim to know the answers. But I know children died today. And I guarantee their parents don't give a **** what laws you want passed. You have no respect.

The fact that tboon is backing you up here tells me all I need to know. He's a great video maker and a terrible human being.
I don't see what the problem with talking about potential solutions is. Why are you so annoyed by that?
 
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Trading Tiger

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I can't comprehend why anyone would be against having a to obtain a permit in order to buy a gun. Not saying it solves everything, but why not enforcing taking a class an exam similar to getting your DL. Must have a "permit" to purchase a gun.

Again, not saying it solves much, but why would anyone be against that?
In all seriousness, read a history book or two.

When government bans guns, takes away guns, forms a gun registry to know who has guns and what guns they have, they have a 1.000 batting average of mass murdering their own citizens shortly thereafter. The Founding Fathers knew what they were doing when they wrote "shall not be infringed".

And that doesn't even get into the whole right vs privilege debate. You don't have the right to drive an automobile on the highway, that's a privilege given to you by the government. But you do have the right to keep and bear arms, a right given to you by God, which cannot be infringed upon by the government. What about that is so difficult to understand?
 

Cavitybacks

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In all seriousness, read a history book or two.

When government bans guns, takes away guns, forms a gun registry to know who has guns and what guns they have, they have a 1.000 batting average of mass murdering their own citizens shortly thereafter. The Founding Fathers knew what they were doing when they wrote "shall not be infringed".

And that doesn't even get into the whole right vs privilege debate. You don't have the right to drive an automobile on the highway, that's a privilege given to you by the government. But you do have the right to keep and bear arms, a right given to you by God, which cannot be infringed upon by the government. What about that is so difficult to understand?
To be fair, the US Gov't has bombers can fly undetected over countries that hate us combined with nuks that can take out cities.

Things have changed. Weapons have changed. People are mental idiots these days and cannot handle certain freedoms.
 

GDead_Tiger

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In all seriousness, read a history book or two.

When government bans guns, takes away guns, forms a gun registry to know who has guns and what guns they have, they have a 1.000 batting average of mass murdering their own citizens shortly thereafter. The Founding Fathers knew what they were doing when they wrote "shall not be infringed".

And that doesn't even get into the whole right vs privilege debate. You don't have the right to drive an automobile on the highway, that's a privilege given to you by the government. But you do have the right to keep and bear arms, a right given to you by God, which cannot be infringed upon by the government. What about that is so difficult to understand?
Many other Anglo-sphere and European countries have severely restricted firearms without those governments mass murdering their citizens. I do not believe the right to bear arms is one given us by God. That language is not in the Constitution.
 
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Dbatz

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I can’t believe a gun did this. If only there were no guns this stuff would not happen, signed: dead person stabbed in London 18 times on the subway.
The issue is not the weapon. The issue is the sick mind that committed the act.. watching that video, this individual was very troubled, and sick. How did anyone not recognize how dangerous this guy was and say something before this happened? When you cannot go to church and feel safe that literally speaks of the evil that has been cultivated in this country.
 
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tboonpickens

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I'm not circle jerking with anyone, but I have to have a "side", right?

I don't claim to know the answers. But I know children died today. And I guarantee their parents don't give a **** what laws you want passed. You have no respect.

The fact that tboon is backing you up here tells me all I need to know. He's a great video maker and a terrible human being.
lol

 

tboonpickens

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I agree, but why are you referring to this person as “they”? It was one person.. a very confused one.
i mean we elected an 80 year old who said "they're eating the dogs! they're eating the cats!" in front of the whole world. a lot of confusion out there in this country right now.

i say we do as much as we possibly can to keep weapons of mass destruction out of the hands of mentally ill people whether they are neo-nazi trans shooters or the Christian ministry guy from MN earlier this summer.
 

Kelbo

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i mean we elected an 80 year old who said "they're eating the dogs! they're eating the cats!" in front of the whole world. a lot of confusion out there in this country right now.

i say we do as much as we possibly can to keep weapons of mass destruction out of the hands of mentally ill people whether they are neo-nazi trans shooters or the Christian ministry guy from MN earlier this summer.
“They” was referring to a group, but I digress.

A little info on “her”…

 

Trading Tiger

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To be fair, the US Gov't has bombers can fly undetected over countries that hate us combined with nuks that can take out cities.

Things have changed. Weapons have changed. Liberals People are mental idiots these days and cannot handle certain freedoms.
FIFY

Unless your idea is to force people to prove that they have voted Conservative (not republican) in every election since they were of legal voting age, I'm against it.

And that's the fundamental difference between Conservatives and liberals...Conservatives just want to be left alone, you can do whatever you want as long as you do it waaaay over there and it doesn't affect me or mine. Liberals on the other hand want to control everyone and everything. No thanks, I'm good!

By the way, what does any of that have to do with my right to defend myself?
 
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tboonpickens

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Conservatives just want to be left alone, you can do whatever you want as long as you do it waaaay over there and it doesn't affect me or mine.
The idea of conservatives being legitimately small government/no interference in the current landscape is hilarious. These are the same morons who wanted to boycott Cracker Barrel over a logo change lol.
 

Kelbo

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The idea of conservatives being legitimately small government/no interference in the current landscape is hilarious. These are the same morons who wanted to boycott Cracker Barrel over a logo change lol.
I’m not certain you’re capable of not interjecting politics into any discussion.
 

Trading Tiger

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Many other Anglo-sphere and European countries have severely restricted firearms without those governments mass murdering their citizens. I do not believe the right to bear arms is one given us by God. That language is not in the Constitution.
If the government killed everybody, who would be left to write the history books telling otherwise??

You're correct about that last part though...that language is in the Declaration of Independence. So in the proper context of analyzing the structure of the American government, as laid out in the DOI, the Bill of Rights, and the Constitution, it's clear as day that I am correct in my position.
 

GDead_Tiger

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If the government killed everybody, who would be left to write the history books telling otherwise??

You're correct about that last part though...that language is in the Declaration of Independence. So in the proper context of analyzing the structure of the American government, as laid out in the DOI, the Bill of Rights, and the Constitution, it's clear as day that I am correct in my position.
The rights endowed by God aren't the Bill of Rights. As a devout Christian I completely reject the notion that the right to bear arms comes from God
 
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