You will be reminded that it does happen in other countries. Trust me, you will. They will leave out that it rarely happens, but hey, why let the facts get in the way of their agenda?
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For your statement to be applicable, there would have to be evidence that suggests availability of weapons would always produce the current result. We have demonstrable evidence that's not the case. So even if we take away guns, we still have a sick culture. How about we fix our culture and then we can return to a place where we don't have to worry so much about restricting everyone's freedoms? Nah... that would be too logical, right?
I don't avoid anything man. I am ready and willing to talk about this in the most specific and blunt terms possible.
CTFO!!! Sure, that will help but that is not the answer. What happens when the kids get access to those guns? We have cops in schools and it still happens.
Here is the first excuse.
What are American children exposed to that children in other countries aren't? They have the same music, movies, social media etc? If something else let me know and I'll support getting rid of it.
Ok we'll start with mass shootings. This data is from January 2024, so it's a bit dated.
The U.S. makes up 33% of the population of the countries included in a the Rockefeller Institute of Government's study. Yet we account for 76% of public mass shooting incidents and 70% of victim fatalities in those countries.
Why does this only happen in America? What about Canada? They have access to the same media, video games, movies and TV ... same is the case for most of western Europe. And yet ... this is a one-nation problem.
And before it becomes "they'll use something else," the study also examined that.
My question here, fwiw:
Can we ever fully prevent some lone wolf from inflicting damage on innocent people if that’s what he sets out to do regardless of the weapons he uses or whether he makes bombs or drives a car into a crowd?
Can we ever fully prevent some lone wolf from inflicting damage on innocent people if that’s what he sets out to do regardless of the weapons he uses or whether he makes bombs or drives a car into a crowd?
It's very difficult. Schools are exceptionally difficult because of how many entrances and exits there are.
You know this how? Fox is reporting a man in his 20s, ftr. If anyone would want to jump on a trans narrative, I can think of few more likely news organizations to publish just that.
As the European examples attest to, no. There will always be sickos. But I think you can take steps to mitigate the problem
This country does not give a **** about children unless they’re inside the mother’s stomach. Once they are out this country doesnt care if they are housed, if they are fed, if they have proper schooling, and even if they’re dead.
So much for ******* pro life.
So much for ******* pro life.
Some random Twitter account is claiming it
We can try make it harder and shouldn't we at least try. Large magazine semi-automatic weapons make it a lot easier to kill a lot of people and do it more effeciently. I believe in the right to own guns but there's got to be some kind of restrictions on how easy it is for the average citizen to buy these guns.
No. But everywhere else has proven to limit deaths even with sickos. It can and will always happen, but never let trying to be perfect get in the way of being better.
Fully prevent? No.
But we can attempt to mitigate the scope of damage caused by such events over time. We can emphasize mental health initiatives designed to identify threats; we can enact common sense gun laws designed to prevent such people from having easy access to what amounts to weapons of mass destruction; we can try to get rid of some of these ridiculously overpowered automatic weapons, etc.
You know the hurricane is eventually going to come, but you'll still board your windows and take whatever precautions you can to ultimately mitigate the damage. I believe our children and our way of life are worth trying to do something proactive. For all the talk about the border, I suspect the average American is like Paul and more worried about his family being gunned down in a school/church than by a roving MS13 gangster.
X has the now deleted YouTube video of the shooter showing their manifesto, guns and other stuff including a defend equality trans flag with a gun in front of it.
long hair dude that changed their name from Robert to robin as well.
it’s 2025. Fox News and every other news site is reporting on 3 day old social media info.
I don't think you can ever fully prevent anything. But the rest of the world has shown we can greatly reduce these incidents that result in mass casualties. School shootings, in particular.
Sadly, the leadership of this country's done nothing about the mental health crisis or how easily firearms are accessed.
Just another person looking to shift blame from the obvious source.
We claim to care about children… but not if they’re threatened by gunmen in schools and we’d have to do anything about guns or mental health, not if they’re children of immigrants, not if they’re poor and hungry, not if we have to lift a finger or inconvenience ourselves at all in any slight way. Disgusting.
cant believe im participating in this ****** *** thread, but how did you arrive at this conclusion?
School ID badges, metal detectors, locked doors, etc, etc, etc...everything changed for the better except for the mental health of liberals.
There is a reason I am ignoring whoever said that. Sometimes, that is the best course. They can ignore me too.
I probably wouldn't go as far as he did, but it's not a hard conclusion to make. Many seem to be pro-Birth but not support children post birth.
I don't really want to get into a pissing match, but I get his point.
i think its a lot of hyperbole..i agree that we need to do some compromising in many areas..i just prefer specifics...what do we not do for our kids that other countries do? i will admit ignorance and in many areas and would like to be educated
Yeah, i mean it's a pretty obvious corollary. Very easy to arrive at that conclusion based on voting patterns and legislative agendas.
I live in a city with one of the world’s largest marathons. In the week before the race the city removes every single usps mail box and trash can from the race route
No one thinks "good guys with guns" are AN issue, much less THE issue.
Liberals (crazy people) with guns is the issue.
You sorta brought up a big part of the problem in that we attach several high ticket items to one bill.
Why we can't vote on each individual item to me is asinine. Congressman and woman are not that busy. At a minimum, if they are, they are there to vote for the people.
Didn’t take long for the limps to turn this into a political thread
Look at the people who commit these crimes...they're not John Wayne either. @tboonpickens grandma has more testosterone than these school shooters.
Some of you dudes get off on this **** and it's pitiful.
The limited amount of shelters and care for homeless people including children. The fact that some states don’t want children to get free lunch at school, a place they are mandated to be at. The fact we are defunding public schools for political reasons, teachers are running away due to poor wages and treatment, and our education rankings are well behind other countries. Also today and other days where children continue to be murdered at school without a single thing being done to try and stop it.
All of that leads me to the conclusion that our country as a whole views children as expendable except before birth.
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No, but you can do more to reduce the chances. It stinks Ard. It really does, and I don't claim to have all the answers, but I know we can do more in terms of weapons.
Still, crazy folks will turn to using cars more often, or our knives, or whatever. Still, knives will do a lot less damage than guns (not saying to take guns away, just facts). Also, a gun is much easier to get a hold than a bomb (nobody give me the "well, you can buy everything to make a bomb easily and plans are on the internet to build one - plans are out there to build a nuclear bomb too but you dont see folks easily building one of those).
Your point is valid and it makes me sad. Nothing will change. I saw that after the awful Texas killing.
thanks for answering, whether we agree or not
My question FWIW
What is the solution? I know finger pointing isn't the answer. These type of things happen under all administrations. I am a gun owner, and I love to hunt. I also love my children a lot more than guns. I would trade in all of my guns today if it would stop another innocent child from being killed. I do not understand the hate that these topics start. I have thought about this a good bit. I am all for not allowing people with mental health issues purchase a gun. What determines a mental health issue...IDK. I do think we have major moral/political issues in this country. People are not willing to talk about problems. Most people just pick a side and are unwilling to accept another opinion. I think this country is overmedicated and also inundated with bad news. The divisiveness in this country is not good for anyone. There are extremes on both sides. I think deep down most people are good and just want to be left alone. How do we fix all of this? I certianly do not claim to know the answer. I just wish peolple a lot smarter than me would quit pointing fingers, beating their own agendas, and sit down and talk about a way to fix it. We are supposed to be the adults in the room, and we certainly do not act like it. I pray for these children and their families. I pray for this administration to be open to communication. I pray that people with common sense will come together to try to stop these cowardly situations from ever happening again.
No. And the data used is so politicized that it doesn't reflect what is happening in these extremely rare types of shootings so we really can't understand them.
There are basically 2 definitions of mass shootings. FBI uses 3 or more killed. CDC uses 4 or more injured in a single incident. Most mass shootings have a root cause of 1 of 2 categories....family violence and/or gang violence (gang being defined as a common group, not necessarily Crips vs Bloods, so mostly teenage and young adult males). A father killing his wife and 2 kids, or a 21 year old randomly firing into a group after being disrespected in front of his girl at a bar and injuring 4 is lumped into the same category as Vegas, Orlando, Uvalde and Dylan Roof. The vast majority of mass shootings aren't random acts of violence.
This is a pretty good running summary, although they use a slightly modified definition that includes "violence" not just shooting, but its valid none the less.
Mass killing database: Revealing trends, details and anguish of every US event since 2006
How many mass killings are there in the US? High profile public shootings are only a portion of the nation's mass killings since 2006, analysis shows.
www.usatoday.com
Well said sir! I don't have the answers either, but I just don't want to hear the excuses and finger-pointing. I am done with those.
Can we stop all of it? No. Should we try? **** yes
We need more responses like this. Tip of that hat to you. We need to stop pointing fingers and have good discussions without being a butt. Look, you poke me and start out being a butt, I respond in kind (I know I should not), but if we can have a good discussion and disagree, thats beautiful!
We need to tell folks "thanks for the good discussion" so others can see that we dont have to be butts and we can talk about difficult things without yelling.